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First Year

Is it possible to go for an internship or do a project after completing first year in engineering?If so,could you please mention the opportunities available?Curieous 19:35, 14 October 2007

Meaning?

What does this mean: "Due to strict labor laws, European internships, though mostly unpaid, are popular among non-Europeans to gain international exposure on one's resume and for foreign language improvement." Are the European internships popular because of strict labor laws (that's how it reads)? Perhaps the intent was to say that due to strict labor laws European internships are mostly unpaid but are popular ....etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.24.11 (talk • contribs) 11:45, 10 May 2007

management internships (deleted)

Section deleted.
I noticed this § first for its extremely poor grammar, and then realized that it's pure spam. The contributor's name is one giveaway:

Internsindia (talk)

The first and third Google hits for Internsindia are a Facebook page ("Join Facebook to connect with Interns India and others you may know") and a Twitter account. The "user" has only contributed twice, the other being an equally unreadable and spammish paragraph in the article; that has already been deleted. Now its partner in crime has joined it. --Thnidu (talk) 21:33, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Medical intern

The dictionary definition of the word relates to the medical profession. That's the first definition of the word that I learned and that needs to be mentioned. -Amit (67.22.216.150)

I made a separate page about interns in medicine, so I simplified the information here. Some of it was not completely accurate. --DocJohnny 13:21, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I think this page could still state more clearly that a medical internship is something wholly different. Feeeshboy 20:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

(Nine years pass...) I was looking for info on the medical sense and landed here. Unlike the other head items on the DAB page (Internships.com and the computer science sense of "an immutable copy of a string"), the medical sense is job training and is temporary. I had to look at the DAB page to find it, which is excessive hunting, so I'm adding it into the hatnote. --Thnidu (talk) 21:12, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Why?

Could someone explain why companies offer paid internships? What do they benefit from the relationship? Is there some sort of tax relief or donation/grant eligibility they gain? Surely throwing even minimum wage into a pit that does not benefit the company is not of itself worthwhile. 149.159.92.175 07:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Internships do benefit the company. They're getting labor for cheap and often free. Additionally, if you're good at your job and they like how you work they can hire you.Cereal box conspiracy 17:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I second. This needs to be added to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.2.164.39 (talk) 00:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Criticisms

It has been argued that unpaid internships are abusive, since 1) in the US, most states can’t condition paid employment on employment; 2) interns are often used for menial tasks; and 3) they really don’t learn that much, anyway.

Likewise, since students are often given academic credit for them, some have argued that the credit is being given (and the student is charged) for performing work that a paid-employee would do.

i would really advocate for paid internships because;1.you do similar work like the rest of the employees in the company and they are paid,2.By utilising your labuor the companym output increases so you need to be thanked,3.interns give the best of what they have learnt but after like 90 days they do not even retain you,but their business made more profit;you need to at least enjoy you sweat also!Bruno Barugahare,Uganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.0.7.66 (talk) 07:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Page organization

What's wrong with this page, is it maintained by interns? --Wingzerotype 17:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

USA-centric

Too much concentration on Intern issues only relevant to USA residents Roidroid 05:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

• The implication of the International Internships section is that in the UK, internship is normal practice. However, internship just doesn't happen. Perhaps (i.e. unlikely) you can find one in the medical or law sectors but I've never heard of it. We don't call summer jobs (as described) or charity work "internships". - A native UK citizen.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.54.130.67 (talk • contribs)
  • The Guardian newspaper offers internships for its website, Guardian Unlimited. I've seen the word used in a few other places as well. I suspect that, like so many other things, American influence is having its effect. However, it certainly is not a word you hear in the street every day. 86.136.255.33 01:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
    • This is exactly my point, in UK English the word is barely used and internship is very rare, however, the section in the article says "In these countries they have split the types of internship in unpaid or paid" which implies that we have a system of internship - which we don't. The Guardian link you give says they are for 1 or 2 weeks - is that kind of work experience the same as an internship ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.54.130.227 (talk) 04:59, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

I'm currently on an internship with a bank in the UK. In the UK( speaking from my personal knowledge of the student market having applied for many myself) big corporates call paid summer work experience for undergraduate students internships. This is easy to verify by checking the websites of such companies. Students also use the term internship, if anyone asks me what i'm doing over summer, i say an internship with a bank and am fully understood by all my peers. As such, I think the current generation of employers and students in the UK do use the term internship commonly above any other term. However, to clarify the term is ususally used in reference to organised schemes by large companies that tend to be paid and last 2 months over summer. It is standard that these are preparation for places on graduate schemes with the same company. They tend to be for professional jobs in markets that are highly competetitive. As far as i'm aware unpaid internships are rare in the professional services sector in the UK and would tend be called 'work experience' as opposed to an internship as work experience allows for shorter terms of work e.g 1 or two weeks and on a more informal basis. Although i believe in other sectors unpaid internships are more common. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.251.134 (talk) 12:34, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

For-profit volunteering

"However, there is no such thing as a "volunteer" who works for a for-profit corporation." What is your source for this information?

In some states it is illegal, and this is a rather complex issue, which probably should go in a separate "criticism" section.68.33.203.109

"See Also" section

Why does the see also section direct the reader towards slavery? Is there something implied here? The link to indentured servant also seems rather suggestive and subjective. Perhaps this section could be revised (or at least explained). 06:10, 18 December 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.150.253.69 (talk • contribs)

It's a joke, bordering on vandalism. I've removed the first wikilink before, and I just did again, and removed the second as well. I'd appreciate other editors looking out for further (re)postings of this; please delete on sight. John Broughton | Talk 20:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

It is a joke, but it is worth exploring, since the use of an in tern's free labor in some circumstances violates state labor laws. Also, interns are usually not protected by anti-discrimination laws.68.33.203.109

Stages section?

The information in the 'stages' section seems irrelevant, non-universal, and is probably taken straight from the book that is cited (I didn't check). Maybe it should be removed?141.232.1.1 17:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Deleted. It was completely out of place. Papercrab 22:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

College Works Painting

This section reads like an advert and doesn't really seem to add anything. Is there any reason to keep it? If not I'll delete. Fysidiko (talk) 12:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The information adds little to the article, and disrupts the flow of the information before and after. The rhetorical nature of the last paragraph almost certainly makes it an intentional advertisement. Recommended for deletion. Ericw06 (talk) 05:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Monica Lewinski

Perhaps it's worth mentioning that the word "intern" first entered into popular use in many countries (including the UK) after news broke of the Monica Lewinski scandal. SeeSharp (talk) 16:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Operation Dagsværk

I've now again removed some POV argumentative statements, obviously ideologically opposed to the Danish "Operation Dagsværk". I'm not sure this section is at all relevant to an article about interns, but my main reason to remove it is that is clearly is not supported by the source cited. Unfortunately, I stated last time that the source was dead; I see now that this is not the case. (I checked it once yesterday and got a "file not found" or some other error message, and once again today and this time actually got the article in question.) However, neither this aritcle nor the new source added today supports the argumentative statements about a "minor fraction" participating - they say the participation has declined, and speculate about the reasons, but do not say anything about what fraction participates. If the material is reintroduced in an NPOV way, a less argumentative form, and in agreement with the sources, I will not object.--Noe (talk) 20:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

According to the department of education there is about 73,000 students in the normal High school (Almengymnasiale uddannelser 2002-2005, The department of Education), but this extremist project does also rekrut its volunteers from other type of schools offering education on High School level or workspace targeted education, so catchment area are higher which concludes that 24.000 is a small fraction of the total number of students.

As for the reason for the lowering of the number one of the article state that the management for the movement did issue a press release that led the public and the student to believe that they supported crime. Another reason could be that the cutbacks in early retirement and the wellknown fact that the majority of refugees entering Denmark are economic refugees, which have removed all kind of surplus in the population to even think about foreign problems, but while it is public knowledge a written source is hard to find. If I don't get a response in 6 hours, I will revert the changes Covergaard (talk) 07:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Calling OD "extremist" would require a source. And about 30% is not a minor fraction, it is a large minority. You have to weigh your words more carefully, and you have to source your conclusions, not just your arguments, otherwise you are commiting WP:SYN.--Noe (talk) 09:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

As for what to call them, please see: Drop OD. This website is created by the youth organization of one of the parties in present government of Denmark, which of course has a chairwoman putting law and order first, so perhaps that could consider the website a little POV. As for the organization themselves wanting to be extreme see this newspaper article - Ja gu er vi politiske, Arbejderen. Another organization workering for charity calls "Dagsværk" a scam. See: Stigende kritik af Dagsvaerk, The newpaper Information. Other political youth organizations do also support the criticism Politiske ungdomsorganisationer raser mod Dagsværk, Berlingske Tidende. I think that the basis for calling them extreme are well-founded.

As for the partipation being "minor" I have to remind you that the students working for the operation are rekruted not only from High Schools but as earlier stated also from other school on the same level. Unfortunately I dont know how many of Danish youth, who are enrolled in such schools at the present time, but I will return when I have researched it. Covergaard (talk) 10:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot this article made by some students mentioning their previous support for Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. See: Operation Dagsværk støtter terror. Covergaard (talk) 10:36, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

In a wikipedia article about OD, outlining this controversy would be relevant.

In an article about interns, we need either a brief NPOV version, or nothing at all.

The POV of the people organizing OD is as relevant as yours, so if you write anything they would disagree with, you are on a wrong track. E.g., you can write that it is contested (they would have to agree with that), or that a named person or group describes it as a scam (sourced), but not that it is a scam.

As for the "minor fraction", it is my impression that it is indeed a very minor fraction in HF, HTX, HHF etc., but a large minority from STX (i.e. from what is traditionally called "gymnasium" in Denmark). Anyway, your data relates specifically to 2007. In 2006, participation was about 50% higher, and we do not know about 2008 yet.

But what has all this got to do with interns?--Noe (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

OD came into this section because it one of the only kind of internships we have in Denmark. Supporting the trade unions I know that every single agreement when unpaid jobs appear is investigated so the use of interns do not end up resulting in a higher level of unemployment. That is also with great concern when we are talking about OD. But in the interest of this article maybe there shouldn't anything about OD at all. As things are people tend to care more for problems in the community rather than problems in the third world where 99.5 % of all aid going to bribe officials anyway.

I guess we should remove the entire section about OD and settle with mention how internship generally are watched by trade unions and the new practical rules by the department of education punish internships for charity organizations Covergaard (talk) 15:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC).

Your sugestion sounds OK to me.--Noe (talk) 08:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

So done Covergaard (talk) 08:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Basis for an independent article - Operation Day's work ?

We agreed on removing this chapter in the article, because it was impossible to find the right way to write it and because it is not quiet covered by the term Intern:

High school students can choose to participate in a one day working experience called "Operation Dagsværk" (Day’s Work) (1). The instructions from the department of Education specifically point out that no student can be forced to attend this charity. The pay for their work goes to a - sometimes controversial - chosen project in a third world country. Due to a recent agreement with the Danish Ministry of Education the students are no longer considered to be truant during this day (2).

Sources:

• 1) About Operation Dagsvaerk a charity originally from Sweden
• 2) Retningslinier for statstilskud til Operation Dagsværk (Instructions for aid to Operation Dagsvaerk), the Department of Education in Denmark, september 2004

In the meantime news article about the latest development have appeared:

• a) De fleste dropper Operation Dagsværk (Most students drop Operation Day's work), by Frederik Hølge, TV2/Bornholm, November 5 2008
• b) Langt færre støtter Operation Dagsværk (Fewer supports Operation Day's work (50 out of 600)), by Jesper Kappel, Ugenyt, November 5 2008

Against creating such an article speaks that the development shows that this project from the ages of the Cold War are on the way out and would be a historical article.

Should we create an indenpendent article about this subject? Covergaard (talk) 04:40, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I think an independent NPOV article would be good.--Noe (talk) 12:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

The above statement is as NPOV as it can get. Remember the original statement:

High school students can choose to participate in a one day working experience called "Operation Dagsværk" (Day’s Work). (1) The instructions from the department of Education specifically point out that no student can be forced to attend this claimed charity. The pay for their work goes to a - sometimes controversial - chosen project in a third world country. Only a minor fraction of Danish students participate in this event, mainly because most Danish people see supporting third world countries as something the population has already paid for in taxes. As a result, most students stay in school (3). Due to a recent agreement with the Danish Ministry of Education the students are no longer considered to be truant during this day (2)

3) Elever svigter Operation Dagsværk (The students desert Operation Dagsvaerk), Denmarks Radio, November 7 2007

But I feel that the article would be a stub only. I have found an additional source

c) Operation slapsvans, by 04:00 Af IVAR JUEL NORDENTOFT, Fyens, October 7 2008
d) Gymnasieelever dropper hjælpearbejde, by RUNE F.B. KRISTENSEN, CHRISTINE HYLDAL OG SIMON STAUN, Fyens, October 6 2008

But regardless of the latest positive developement, which we of course have a NPOV stand on, we must ask ourselves if there is enough contents for an independent article. Covergaard (talk) 08:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I have added such an article JohanGraham (talk) 14:03, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

History of Internship

I've added following line to internship, and I have no idea why its not appropriate. The history of internship is clearly missing.

Many, many, years ago, internships were called apprenticeships, and my dear departed grandfather used to call them. An apprenticeship was the equivalent of being taken under the wing of someone who was a master of their craft, whether it be business or artistic in nature. Those days of apprenticeship are nothing more than nostalgia for our elder generations, as the bushy-tailed graduates are faced with the almost impossible task of finding that internship that will actually lead them in a career path.

Mitoman1 (talk) 22:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

The cited source is not even remotely a reliable source - it's personal commentary, not by an established expert. Also, you have been linkspamming the cited domain to multiple articles, all of which have the same reliable source problems. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

So what do you consider as a reliable source?

Mitoman1 (talk) 23:01, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:RS, "Reliable sources are credible published materials with a reliable publication process; their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. How reliable a source is depends on context. As a rule of thumb, the more people engaged in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the writing, the more reliable the publication." --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

So can I post content without reference?

Mitoman1 (talk) 23:19, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

That depends on the material - generic, generally accepted material may be acceptable without a source; but as a general rule, it's best to provide a reliable source. You should review WP:V and WP:NOR. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

References

Internships by Country

NPOV - China. This seems quite biased and uninformative. Does anyone have any information on China?

I've removed the section on Ireland because it was both 1) unsourced and 2)written like an advertisement. I'm sorely tempted to do the same to parts of India and South Africa, due to unsubstantiated claims that the country is a popular destination for internships. This section should focus on what the established practices are in countries, and not take a pro-internship point of view. Otto Neubauer (talk) 13:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Much of the country stuff seems unsourced. I also wonder about this Finland: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Työharjoittelu Where is says its explicitly not an internship because it is not paid - so is paid an internship or not?? There does not seem clarity in the article over this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.231.178.239 (talk) 17:21, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

The internship retribution in Italy is quite different (lower) from that in the article. I really don't know where these numbers come from, but they are far from reality. Also the retribution of an hired young graduate employee is NOT 4 times the intern retribution. More realistic data for a paid internship are 300/400 and 1000 for a young graduate employee. This are unsourced too but surely more realistic. However paid internship in Italy are rare, usually interns don't get paid, they only get a compensation for travel and lunch expenses. --85.18.98.89 (talk) 08:59, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Copyedits done

Hello, I've done some major copyediting for the March 2012 backlog copyedit drive. I hope everyone agrees that the page is improved and easier to read. There should be no real substantive changes. The biggest change is that I've re-grouped the countries by region, as it seems that the European countries have similar programs that can be compared more easily this way. Please feel free to let me know how you all feel and thank you for your interest in the Guild of Copy Editors.Gofigure41 04:44, 28 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gofigure41 (talk • contribs)

Economic crisis and internship ethics

Terms such permanent internship, perma-intern (or perma intern), and permatern have started appearing in the current economic crisis. Often these terms are referring to a type of internship that could potential be in violation of local, region or national labor laws and regulations. This is also concerning ethical issues regarding internships. See: Intern Abuse?, Bloomberg Businessweek, May 5, 2009 --24.19.230.53 (talk) 01:11, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Dito. This is a new phenomenon in the discussion of internship ethics and legal issues that appeared during the current financial crisis. This is similar to yet unrelated to the Get Britain Working unpaid work scheme that appeared in the same financial crisis. I'm going to added some redirections to help update this subject. Keithbaker (talk) 02:37, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Is the Unpaid Permanent Internship another form of Internship Abuse?

Does anyone have info about the permanent internship or the new type of employee the perma-intern? I was looking for info on internship abuse and I read how companies during the recession are laying off regular paid employees and replacing them with unpaid interns instead. I was wondering is this a phenomena of the United States recession or companies abusing the internship?

Carlozo, Lou "Perma-interns: Is working for free a good career bet?" http://blogs.reuters.com/reuters-money/2011/06/28/perma-interns-is-working-for-free-a-good-career-bet/

Conlin, Michelle "Intern Abuse?" http://www.businessweek.com/careers/managementiq/archives/2009/05/intern_abuse.html

Stott, Phil "How Abuse of Interns Undercuts Company Success" http://www.cnbc.com/id/36177349

--Shiningmind818 (talk) 17:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

These articles and reviewing Internal Revenue Service pamphlets on this phenomenon show that unpaid internships and permanent internships are logically separate classes that do not overlap. Both are done without pay. The former is often done for college credit(s), while the latter is often done solely for a letter of recommendation could potentially be disavowed. Hence, the latter is a legal grey area topic. Keithbaker (talk) 04:25, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Please add any information about lengthy internships, or seemingly permanent internships, to this article. I have deleted all the redirects to permanent internship. If the subject somehow becomes notable through coverage in reliable sources feel free to create such an article. User:Fred Bauder Talk 13:19, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Please cite notable sources. The subject of permanent internship could refer to this unique internship scheme, yet it is also a business term for the process of taking permanent positions that would have been paid and filling the position with an unpaid intern for two-year commitment. This process has been facing legal challenges in several states. 24.19.230.53 (talk) 18:16, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Foreign terms like "estágio"

Should foreign terms for internships and participants be included? For example the Brazilian section currently starts "Internships in Brazil are known as estágios (lit. "stages") and internship workers are known as estagiários. "

Personally I think its a good idea as these are possible search terms and may be used in English-language sources as well. Also they are technically more accurate than intern(ship) because they may include apprentice(ship). Siuenti (talk) 23:12, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Intro needs work

The last paragraph of the introduction currently reads: "Internships are very important in preparing students for the future, if that means a job or a possible direction of study they plan to concentrate on in college. There is so much experience and skills learned from an internship and students look a lot more appealing to businesses when they are in the process of hiring new employees. Whether the internship is paid or it gives the student credit towards graduation, either one, the student is more or less experimenting with a certain field of work rather than going straight into it without any experience. So many students are privileged with jobs through internships because the business and the student gain relationships and trust, therefore its almost as if the student already has a job with the employer."

This has a number of issues. Firstly the entire thing is unsourced, secondly it seems extremely US-centric but most importantly it's at best weasel wording and at worst extremely biased. It doesn't quite read like an advertisement but more like one person's extremely passionate expression of support for internships. I'm not sure whether to attempt to re-write it or simply delete it since it doesn't seem to add anything, but it shouldn't stay as it is. 108.171.128.169 (talk) 10:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Looks like it got added just last month by a new editor. I agree with your points, so I removed it. - MrOllie (talk) 14:26, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Additional Resources to be Added?

Beebe, A., Blaylock, A., & Sweetser, K.D. (2009). Job satisfaction in public relations internships. Public Relations Review, 2(35), 156-158. doi: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.pubrev.2008.09.016

Yamada, D.C. (2016). The legal and social movement against unpaid internships, Northeastern University Law School Research Paper, 2(8), 13-34.

Dailey, S. L. (2016). What Happens Before Full-Time Employment? Internships as a Mechanism of Anticipatory Socialization. Western Journal Of Communication, 80(4), 453-480. doi:10.1080/10570314.2016.1159727

Burnsed, B. (2010). Degrees are Great, but Internships Make a Difference. U.S News.com.

Hering, B. B. (2010). Why are internships so important? CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/worklife/04/14/cb.why.internships.important/index.html CassieStoick (talk) 13:28, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Resources make sense and are relevant. Just watch static sites like CNN where content changes frequently. JButlerModaff (talk) 16:46, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Those may be good sources that have additional information to add to this article. But I'm not sure that the sources should be added by themselves e.g., "Further reading," "External links." Please see WP:EL for some additional guidance. ElKevbo (talk) 21:14, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Is this HR KRA or Operations KRA.

Documentary Film recently released about internships: Call Me Intern (in the running for documentary oscars too) Collective.bv (talk) 15:24, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

References

Proposed merge of Work experience into Internship

I see no distinction between "work experience" and "internship" (i.e. they seem like the exact same subject per our merge policy). [1] [2] (you may have to do some scrolling to see that the two titles are synonymous). Plus, more people search for internship than work experience. Aasim 04:46, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Support: much of it is overlapping. However, be careful when you merge: there is a specific layout on the internship article. Don Spencer^{talk-to-me⛅} 14:46, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 19:51, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Could returnship be added to this article?

I tried to create a wikipedia page for returnship but it was declined https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Returnshp

The explanation that it isn't strong enough to stand on its own and I get that. I think it could be a fit here. Returnships have been around a long time but not widely available. My article points out that it coming 'round again and gaining traction. Your thoughts. Tchula65 (talk) 14:45, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Job

Marketing job 103.21.41.151 (talk) 16:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)