Talk:Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins

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On 29 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Wilkes-Barre–Scranton Penguins. The result of the discussion was not moved.

History

I remember hearing when this franchise was first placed in Wilkes-Barre, that this was the rebirth of the dormant Corwall Aces - Halifax Citadels franchise. I remember hearing that at the end of the 1995-96 AHL season, the Pittsburgh Penguins puchased the Corwall Aces and left it dormant until they could find a city for the team to play in. I remember them intially trying to place the team in Hartford for the 1997-98 season after the Hartford Whalers left they lost their bid to the New York Rangers who placed the Wolf Pack in Hartford. So then Penguins waited until they waited until the 1999-2000 season to bring back the franchise when Wilkes-Barre offered them a home for their minor league team. Do you have any information of knowledge that can confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whalerguy1 (talk • contribs)

I've always heard of them referred to as an expansion team. I'd have to look back, but I think they might have been the last true expansion team in the AHL. Everything since then has been IHL merger or relocation/reinstatement of existing teams. There are 30 franchise out there and have been for quite a few years (27 active for 2006-07 + the Cleveland bound Utah Grizzlies, the Oilers owned franchise and the Cincinnati franchise).

Who were the Penguins affiliated during this time of uncertainty? That might give us some insight. ccwaters 00:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I do question the Rangers "outbidding" the Penguins for a Hartford lease as MSG history operated the venue. The story goes that NYR/MSG bought the Bingo AHL franchise from local owners specifically to relocate them and fill the vacancy left from the NHL Whalers. I don't see why they would have done that if the Pens were knocking on the door with a dormant AHL team. This is of course from a Binghamton native POV.

Interesting article regarding maritime AHL histories I stumbled upon. It says that the Utica Devils became the Saint John Flames: http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/aj_walling.asp?id=127058 . Anyway also ask RGTraynor. He is rather knowledgable of the AHL. ccwaters 00:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Penguins top minor league affiliate prior to thier current team was the Cleveland Lumberjacks of the IHL. This is verified on Wikipedia's Pittsburgh Penguins page. However, in the mid 90's, the IHL began moving away from being a developement league and more towards being a top independent minor league. For this reason, the Penguins wanted their top minor league affiliate in the AHL. So the Penguins bought a dormant AHL franchise but did not have a city to place the team. After the Whalers left Hartford, there were four groups interested in putting a minor league team in Hartford. Those groups were MSG with the Binghamton Rangers, Howard Baldwin with the Penguins, a group that had partial ownership in the Worcester Ice Cats, and Connecticut Pride owner Brian Foley wanted to put an independent IHL team in Hartford. MSG won because they offered to take over full operations of the Hartford Civic Center Colliseum when none of the other three groups offered this. In addition, Worcester Ice Cats group withdrew there bid a few weeks prior to the final decision. I know all of this to be 100% accurate. The only thing I am not sure of is if the dormant AHL team the Penguins bought was the Cornwall Aces. Whalerguy1 02:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just found verification on the the AHL's web site. The Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins did in fact used to be the Cornwall Aces. [1] Penguins buy Colorado's franchise

PITTSBURGH (AP) -- The Pittsburgh Penguins will move and rename the Cornwall Aces of the American Hockey League after buying the franchise from the Colorado Avalanche. The AHL's board of governors on Wednesday approved the sale of the franchise. It will be inactive until a new city is chosen. The Penguins were last affiliated with an AHL team with the Baltimore Skipjacks in 1987. Whalerguy1 02:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. ccwaters 03:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While the Penguins did buy the Cornwall Aces, the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins are not that franchise. When the Penguins went through their bankruptcy hearings, Howard Baldwin (not the Penguins), retained the rights to the inactive franchise. The Penguins were awarded an expansion franchise in the AHL, which was placed in Wilkes-Barre. Baldwin's franchise was later placed in Manchester, which was then sold to the LA Kings. I only have an excerpt from an article about Manchester from the Times-Leader dated 11/01/2001 (article no longer exists on the website), stating "While several parties expressed interest in bringing a hockey team to Manchester, Howard Baldwin succeeded. He got approval from the American Hockey League in September 1999 to bring his dormant Cornwall, Ontario, franchise to play in Manchester." ej6687 —Preceding undated comment added 18:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Wilkes-barre scranton penguins 200x200.png

Fair use rationale completed. Flibirigit (talk) 03:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move?

So the article was moved without consulting anyone at all? And it was moved to a name that is not consistent with the teams own usage? Unless there's some compelling reason for this the article should be moved back to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton. Tomdobb (talk) 13:26, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, never mind. This usage is so inconsistent with everything else, I'm just moving it back. Wikipedia, the team, print sources, the AHL all use WB/S. Moving it back. Tomdobb (talk) 13:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And I'm back again. Acknowledging that "/" are meant to be avoided in article titles, I assume that's why this was moved. So maybe I just screwed up? Just goes to show why we should talk things out first. If I'm totally in the wrong, move it back with my apologies. Tomdobb (talk) 13:33, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So what are you saying... because of the slash, this is technically a subpage of Wilkes-Barre?

I don't think it's a sub-page of Wilkes-Barre. Although, Maybe it is. I know that WP:MOS says slashes should be avoided, but unfortunately I read that after I changed it back. I'm more than fine with it staying at WB/S because that's the common usage, but if the user who moved it disagrees, I'm also fine with that. Tomdobb (talk) 15:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously the slash can't be avoided when it's a proper noun. It's the team name, it's not like we're just throwing slashes in where they don't belong. Grsz¹¹ 01:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does not directly prohibit names with forward slashes in them. There is a minor technical issue with these that is talked about here. However, many Wikipedia:Articles_with_slashes_in_title articles exist. Since it is the official name of the team, and Wikipedia policy does not explicitly prohibit the usage, it should be named as originally listed. -Pparazorback (talk) 03:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Subpages are disabled in mainspace, so using the slash wont cause an issue. This is the proper name of the team, thus it should not be moved to satisfy a guideline. A general discouragement is not the same as a requirement, especially when it would make the article title completely wrong. Reso lute 04:47, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just goes to show why moves and the like should be suggested on the talk page before anything is done. Tomdobb (talk) 19:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No one ever replies, so I just be bold and move it. RandySavageFTW (talk) 19:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is a little difference between articles that are actively modified and those that are not. The Steven Mason article you referenced is a DAB page that probably is not on many people's watch list. This article is obviously on many others. You have to consider the page. I probably would have considered being WP:BOLD on pages such as the Mason article, but would have discussed the WB/S change. The MAINEiacs move the other day was clearly a wiki policy move, so that one was proper. -Pparazorback (talk) 22:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would have moved that Mason one and the Maineiacs one but I couldn't. I'll try and use the talkpage before then if it seems somewhat controversial. RandySavageFTW (talk) 00:04, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Curry

The link to John Curry is incorrect. It is linked to a professional ice skater instead of the Ice Hockey goaltender. Could someone that knows how to fix it please fix it. I tried and it would work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.44.121.22 (talk) 16:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Philip Samuelsson

Can anyone explain why on the roster, Samuelsson's nationality is indicated with an American flag? Though he was raised in the US because his father was playing in the NHL, he was born in Sweden, is ethnically Swedish, and I can't find any record anywhere to show that he would be eligible to play for the US in the Olympics rather than Sweden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiDanfromPitt (talk • contribs) 01:13, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Clear consensus that current title is COMMONNAME. (non-admin closure) Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 05:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins → Wilkes-Barre–Scranton Penguins – According to MOS:DASH this is our preferred style for this sort of construct. YorkshireExpat (talk) 23:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oppose - not sure why? this is the official name of the team. Triggerbit (talk) 02:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Known as "Wilkes-Barre/Scranton" in all sources. 162 etc. (talk) 03:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Ice Hockey has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Pennsylvania has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. The team is "Wilkes-Barre/Scranton" in reliable sources. Flibirigit (talk) 12:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. I'm not sure why they have Scranton in the title considering they play nearest to Wilkes-Barre. Regardless, this is the title of the team according to the AHL, NHL, and all reliable sources I've found. Please ping if you would like some examples.Conyo14 (talk) 15:31, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - This is the only form of the name, I've ever seen. GoodDay (talk) 16:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per COMMONNAME. The Kip 01:54, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.