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Hurricane Milton path Hurricane Milton (pictured), one of the fastest-intensifying and most intense Atlantic hurricanes on record, approaches Florida. John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton receive the Nobel Prize in Physics for their research in machine learning with artificial neural networks. A gang attack on the Haitian town of Pont-Sondé leaves seventy people dead and fifty others injured. More than twenty people die in flooding and landslides in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hezbollah conflict Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Arie L. Kopelman Johan Neeskens Christopher Ciccone Humberto Ortega Gavin Creel Rohan de Saram view — page history — related changes — edit

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October 10

Portal:Current events/2024 October 10
October 10, 2024 (2024-10-10) (Thursday)

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October 9

Portal:Current events/2024 October 9

October 9, 2024 (2024-10-09) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war At least four Palestinians are killed and one other is wounded when Israeli forces open fire on a vehicle in Nablus in the occupied West Bank. Palestinian factions call for a general strike on Thursday in response to the attack. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Two people are killed by a Hezbollah rocket fired at Kiryat Shmona, Israel. (BBC News) (MDA Israel) Sudanese civil war The head of the Rapid Support Forces, Hemedti, accuses Egypt of being involved in airstrikes on the group's troops during the ongoing civil war in Sudan. (Reuters) Insurgency in Balochistan One Frontier Corps official and two terrorists are killed and thirteen others are injured after a suicide bomber and a gunman attack a Frontier Corps post in Zhob, Balochistan, Pakistan. (Daily Ausaf) Arts and culture Nansen Refugee Award Scalabrinian nun sister Rosita Milesi is awarded the Nansen Refugee Award by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees for her work with refugees and internally displaced people in Brazil for over 40 years. (DW) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Milton More than 5.5 million people in Florida, United States, are currently under evacuation orders as Hurricane Milton weakens into a category 4 hurricane ahead of its expected landfall in the early hours of Thursday. (The New York Times) (CBS News) Several tornadoes are reported in Florida, including along Interstate 75, ahead of Hurricane Milton's landfall. (BBC News) Milton makes landfall as a category 3 hurricane near Siesta Key on Florida's Western Coast. (CBS News) Five people are killed when a Beechcraft Baron aircraft crashes shortly after takeoff from the Catalina Airport in Avalon, California, United States. (CTV News) International relations Ecuador–United States relations The U.S. State Department bans former president of Ecuador Rafael Correa and former vice president of Ecuador Jorge Glas from entering the United States on accusations of corruption. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Hadera stabbing attack Six people are injured, two critically, in a stabbing attack in Hadera, Israel. The attacker is shot dead by Israel Police. (Times of Israel) South Africa's genocide case against Israel Bolivia formally joins South Africa's case in the International Court of Justice regarding Israel's conduct in the Gaza Strip as genocide, stating it "has a responsibility to condemn the crime of genocide". (Al Jazeera) Japan's former longest-serving death row prisoner, Iwao Hakamada, is confirmed innocent after the prosecution waives their right to appeal the September 26th "not guilt" verdict from his re-trial. (NHK) Turkey bans the social media platform Discord after the platform allegedly refused to give government officials information related to "child sexual abuse and obscenity" and the murder of two women in Istanbul last week. (DW) Science and technology Nobel Prize in Chemistry This year's Nobel Prize in Chemistry is jointly awarded to British computer scientist Demis Hassabis and American chemist John M. Jumper for their work on protein structure prediction, and to American biochemist and computational biologist David Baker for his work on computational protein design. (The New York Times) (Nobel Prize) Sports In tennis, the Wimbledon Championships announces it will replace line judges with an electronic line judge system starting in the 2025 Wimbledon Championships, ending the tradition after 147 years. (Reuters)

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RD: Lily Ebert

Article: Lily Ebert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

No sourcing issues, long enough. Mooonswimmer 01:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: George Baldock

Article: George Baldock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SDNA
Credits:

• Nominated by Mwwv (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Football player. Could use some more work on sources. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 20:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment there's much much more about his time at MK Dons than his seven years at Sheffield United, even though half of that SUFC times was his only time in the Premier League. This usually happens when an editor is writing about a player for their favourite club, but then leaves Wikipedia/doesn't care when the player moves club. Probably not a big enough issue to nix posting the page, but it certainly stands out. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Part of the reason may be that he meant a lot to the Dons fans, given he was a local player who came through the academy and was one of the best players. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Currently two cn tags. However neither are what I would call particularly controversial claims of fact. I think it's good enough. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS)

Article: C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The bright comet C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) makes its closest approach to Earth on 12 October. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Bright comet C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) is visible to the western sky after sunset on 12 October and onwards.
News source(s): guardianNYTSky & TelescopeBBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by C messier (talk · give credit)

Article updated

The second brightest comet visible from the Earth the last 50 years. It already graced the southern skies the previous weeks, now it makes it closest approach to Earth on 12 October, before emerging in the western sky. --C messier (talk) 19:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait until October 12. I personally think it can be post-worthy, but we can't make news out of what hasn't occurred yet. — Knightoftheswords 19:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

It won't be really be visible October 12. Wait a few days? Nfitz (talk) 20:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait until October 12, hopefully this doesn't end up like the 2nd moon where the consensus was to post when it actually entered orbit and then everyone just forgot to nominate it again Scuba 22:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I was just about to nominate 2024 PT5 and forgot lol High Admiral JMT (talk) 23:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait as others said, we won't know if the comet would be visible until on that day (October 12th). Rager7 (talk) 00:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ratan Tata

Article: Ratan Tata (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): HT
Credits:

• Nominated by The Herald (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian industrialist, philanthropist and former chairman of Tata Group. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose RD currently on quality. The Philanthropy section is under sourced and written in a way that edges on POV. In terms of a blurb, there feels like there needs to be more about the legacy or impact he's had (not just having buildings named after him) , while the awards and honors implies that direction, the article needs to be more explicit, otherwise this seems like any typical business leader anywhere in the world. (To contrast, I would think we are comparing to someone like Bill Gates as a major figure in the business and philanthropy fields, and this article doesn't currently give that impression.) Masem (t) 18:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD Article need quality improvement for posting. Pachu Kannan (talk) 19:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb OLDMANDIES. Not a serving head of state or government This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Support RD Article looks good enough now. Rynoip (talk) 22:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Support The article just needs slightly more grammatical revisions before posting. Rager7 (talk) 00:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Article looks to meet basic expectations for homepage / RD. Anything else with NPOV or tone should be taken up by orange tags on the article page to get editors attention. For now this is ready. Ktin (talk) 03:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Iwao Hakamada

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Iwao Hakamada (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The acquittal of Iwao Hakamada, the world's longest serving death row inmate for more than 45 years, is finalized as Japanese prosecutors decide to not appeal against the verdict in the retrial. (Post)
News source(s): The Associated Press, Nippon TV
Credits:

• Nominated by UCinternational (talk · give credit)

Note: we also posted the news about him in March 2014. --UCinternational (talk) 13:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Cool trivia but I don't see how this would fit into the narrative of ITN. Perhaps more suitable for DYK? TwistedAxe [contact] 14:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose dyk not itn Scuba 14:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Ineligible for DYK. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose minor status quo update to what we already posted on the acquittal. Similar to why we don't post inauguration of elected leaders when we already posted the results. Masem (t) 15:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose since he already got his day on the front page per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - more finalization of a procedure than anything else. I would like to note however a decade later, that in ITN's current environment, his acquittal would likely not even be posted, nor nominated. — Knightoftheswords 19:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Nobel Prize in Chemistry

Articles: Demis Hassabis (talk · history · tag) and John M. Jumper (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nobel Prize in Chemistry is awarded jointly to Demis Hassabis and John M. Jumper for their work on protein structure prediction and David Baker for his work on computational protein design. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, The New York Times, Nobel Prize press release
Credits:

• Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

All three winners' articles look good enough even though Jumper's article is bit short and they need to be updated. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 10:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Except for a few statements in Baker's personal life, all articles are good to go for quality purposes. --Masem (t) 12:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• For Hassabis, date and place of birth are unreferenced. Schwede66 18:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
  • fixed. Masem (t) 18:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The statement in Jumper's aritcle that AlphaFold is the first machine learning algorithm to be able to accurately predict the 3D structure of proteins is unreferenced. --C messier (talk) 19:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  This has been fixed. Ktin (talk) 03:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. The three articles pass basic hygiene checks for homepage. Good to go. Can someone create a composite image on a photo editing software? Ktin (talk) 03:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Lee Wei Ling

Article: Lee Wei Ling (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/lee-wei-ling-daughter-lee-kuan-yew-dies-aged-69-4667096
Credits:

• Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Daughter of Lee Kuan Yew, sister of Lee Hsien Loong (both Prime Ministers of Singapore). There are portions that may still require citations. – robertsky (talk) 00:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support but not ready: Some sections have missing citations and the article in general needs to be expanded or reworked. Will support RD in principle. Tofusaurus (talk) 06:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Support as of now article looks in decent enough shape. Scuba 14:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

October 8

Portal:Current events/2024 October 8

October 8, 2024 (2024-10-08) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon The 146th Division of the Israel Defense Forces advances into southwestern Lebanon, opening up another front against Hezbollah. The Israeli Navy also announces a naval blockade extending for 60 kilometres (37 mi) along the Lebanese coast. (DW) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu calls on the Lebanese people to "rise up" against Hezbollah and to "take back" their country with the help of Israeli forces, warning that failing to do so could turn Lebanon into another Gaza. (The Telegraph) The village of Yaroun in Nabatieh Governorate, Lebanon, is reported to be mostly destroyed following days of heavy fighting between Hezbollah and Israeli forces. (CNN) Around 105 Hezbollah rockets hit the northern Israeli city of Haifa in the heaviest barrage fired at the city since the start of the war. (The Telegraph) The Israel Defense Forces say that they killed Suhail Hussein Husseini, the head of Hezbollah's logistical headquarters and a member of the Jihad Council in an airstrike in Beirut, Lebanon, yesterday. (Times of Israel) Syrian civil war Israel's role in the Syrian civil war Seven people are killed in an Israeli airstrike on a residential building in Damascus, Syria. (Reuters) Terrorism in Europe Terrorism in Norway Norwegian PST heightens the terror alert from moderate to high, mostly because of the Israel–Hezbollah conflict. (Times of Israel) Health and environment The Environmental Protection Agency sets a 10-year deadline to replace all lead water pipes in the United States. (AP) Law and crime The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation announces the arrest of an Afghan national in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, for allegedly plotting an ISIS-related attack on Election Day in November. (AP) The Russian mass media agency bans social media platform Discord for violating the country's laws and to "prevent the use of messaging for terrorist and extremist purposes". (The Moscow Times) Science and technology Nobel Prize in Physics American physicist John Hopfield and British-Canadian computer scientist Geoffrey Hinton are awarded this year's Nobel Prize in Physics "for foundational discoveries and inventions that enable machine learning with artificial neural networks". (The Guardian)

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RD: Bernard Tissier de Mallerais

Article: Bernard Tissier de Mallerais (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Croix
Credits:

• Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Dissident Catholic bishop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Luis Tiant

Article: Luis Tiant (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Admittedly, needs a lot of work. Hopefully can be improved by the end of the week, to get listed at RD. Natg 19 (talk) 17:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose yeah, article needs work Scuba 14:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose much of the early years and career sections are unreferenced. C messier (talk) 19:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Arie L. Kopelman

Article: Arie L. Kopelman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WWD
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 17:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Support Article seems good enough Rynoip (talk) 09:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Support no problems I can see at a glance. Scuba 14:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Taye Atske Selassie elected President of Ethiopia

Article: Taye Atske Selassie (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Taye Atske Selassie is elected President of Ethiopia, succeeding Sahle-Work Zewde. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Taye Atske Selassie is appointed President of Ethiopia, succeeding Sahle-Work Zewde.
News source(s): Bloomberg Barron's (AFP)
Credits:

• Nominated by Varavour (talk · give credit)

There probably should be an article for the 2024 Ethiopian presidential election. Varavour (talk) 14:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Soft support with new blurb there was no election, Selassie was appointed to the office. But still, this is a new head of state and ITN/R Scuba 14:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Ethiopia is a parliamentary republic and the role of the President is largely ceremonial. Does that still qualify it for ITN/R? Scaramouche33 (talk) 16:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  no, not automatically. It can be discussed under the criteria of newsworthiness and relevance. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Change of head of state, ITN/R applies. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. New head of state, and a recurring item. 64.114 etc 19:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support change of head of state is ITN/R regardless of system of govt This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per others. 2605:8D80:400:BBDB:BC17:A461:397B:9102 (talk) 21:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality - Selassie's article isn't much longer than a stub. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Has nobody noticed that the article is a stub? Schwede66 22:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Recurring item, new head of state. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:E4DE:FA24:70FD:A760 (talk) 22:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. Article really needs some expansion; at the moment it contains very barebones information on his life and career. ArkHyena (it/its) 23:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose the Prime Minister of Ethiopia is the holder of power, the president is just ceremonial and appointed. Secretlondon (talk) 06:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Even though it is ceremonial it is still a change of head of state Rynoip (talk) 09:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as per above. The article is currently barebones. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:17, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Change of head of state regardless if he is ceremonial or if he is appointed Rynoip (talk) 09:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on both the quality and importance. He is purely ceremonial head of state without almost no power. LiamKorda 10:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  We've posted Death of Queen Elizabeth II and Coronation of Charles III though, and those are much more ceremonial than in the Ethiopian system (a system which is not that rare either). Abcmaxx (talk) 12:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  But those were rare historical events (Death and coronation of a British monarch). Those events are the first ones in seven decades. Also, Death of the Queen Elizabeth is not a fair comparison since we are not talking about the death of a head of the state. Plus, the president of the Ethiopia is appointed to this position rather than indirectly elected through electoral college like some other countries that also have ceremonial head of state like Pakistan, Germany and India. LiamKorda 13:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Elizabeth II was the head of over a about three dozen states and Charles III now "rules" them all except Barbados over a dozen. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  That fact makes her death and his coronation even more important since it concerns more than a dozen countries and therefore is not at all comparable to this nomination. LiamKorda 14:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Everything is comparable, but yeah, they're certainly different. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  We've posted about the President of Singapore, who is similarly ceremonial. So It looks like there is precedent regardless. –DMartin 21:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support notability The position is not entirely ceremoniał but in part, the president has executive powers vested in the Council of Ministers chaired by the prime minister. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability but neutral on quality Head of state of a regional power. Article doesn't have any glaring problems, but is quite short. –DMartin 21:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Support New head of state, a type of recurring item. Ready to post! 72.143.234.123 (talk) 01:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support per many others. 74.49.190.204 (talk) 02:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Nobel Prize in Physics

Hopfield (left) and Hinton (right)

Articles: John Hopfield (talk · history · tag) and Geoffrey Hinton (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton receive the Nobel Prize in Physics for their inventions that enable machine learning with artificial neural networks. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton receive the Nobel Prize in Physics for their research in machine learning with artificial neural networks.
News source(s): The Guardian The New York Times Nobel Prize press release
Credits:

• Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Hopfield's article needs some work, but Hinton's article is in good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 10:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support (for Hopfield) I just removed all nonsense from Hopfield article and cited what can be cited.--ReyHahn (talk) 11:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

We even have images now if you want to make it an image blurb.--ReyHahn (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support For once, quality of both awardees are good and updated, no need for major hair pulling rush to get ready for posting. --Masem (t) 11:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Could somebody with photo editing software please produce a combined mugshot for those Nobel recipients? Schwede66 19:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
  • @Schwede66: added image of both laureates using images from their respective infoboxes. Licensing info might need tweaking but I tried my best. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

    Yeah, not sure what the correct way is when we've got a mix of two different licenses. But the individual images have suitable licenses and that's what's important. Thanks for your help! Schwede66 21:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support on quality. 64.114 etc 21:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on quality per 64 etc. 2605:8D80:400:BBDB:BC17:A461:397B:9102 (talk) 21:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 22:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Support articles look good. Scuba 03:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

October 7

Portal:Current events/2024 October 7

October 7, 2024 (2024-10-07) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Crimea attacks An oil terminal in Feodosia, the largest oil facility in Russian-occupied Crimea, catches fire following an overnight drone attack by Ukrainian forces. Russian state media reports that a state of emergency has been declared in Feodosia due to a "human-made disaster". (Ukrainska Pravda) Eastern Ukraine campaign One person is killed and six others, including two children, are injured in Russian shelling that hit several apartment buildings in Sloviansk, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters) Southern Ukraine campaign Russian missiles strike two cargo ships in the Port of Odesa, including a Palau-flagged ship carrying grain, killing a port worker and injuring five crew members. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis launch rockets and missiles towards Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Tiberias, Israel, on the anniversary of the Hamas-led attack on Israel. Twelve people are injured. (The Times of Israel) (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Milton Hurricane Milton intensifies into a Category 5 hurricane with a minimum central pressure of 897 millibars. (National Hurricane Center) Pasco, Hillsborough, and Pinellas counties in Florida, United States, close schools and order evacuations of residential healthcare facilities in advance of Hurricane Milton's arrival. (Tampa Bay Times) Ten people are killed and an unknown number of others are missing when a mine collapses in Central Province, Zambia. (AP) Health and environment The Nigeria Centre for Disease Control reports more than 350 deaths from cholera in Nigeria this year, which is more than twice as many than in the same period last year. (DW) International relations Philippines–South Korea relations During a state visit by South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol to the Philippines, the Philippines and South Korea agree to upgrade their relations to a strategic partnership. (ABC News) Politics and elections Israel–Hamas war protests 2024 Israeli protests Israelis, including hostage families, protest outside Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's official residence in Jerusalem. (NBC News) (ABC News) Thousands of pro-Palestinian protests are held worldwide to mark the first anniversary of the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip. (Reuters) 2024 Georgian parliamentary election The Parliament of Georgia initiates a motion to impeach pro-Western President Salome Zourabichvili over accusations of unauthorized overseas visits, ahead of the parliamentary election on October 26. (Reuters) 2024 Tunisian presidential election Incumbent Tunisian President Kais Saied wins a second term with 90.7% of the vote in the presidential election. The Independent High Authority for Elections reports a voter turnout of 28.8%, the lowest since the 2011 Tunisian revolution. (Al Jazeera) Human rights in Pakistan The Pakistani government bans the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement, a social movement for Pashtun human rights, calling the movement a "proscribed organization". (Al Jazeera) Science and technology Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine American biologists Victor Ambros and Gary Ruvkun are awarded this year's Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine "for the discovery of microRNA and its role in post-transcriptional gene regulation". (CNN) The European Space Agency spacecraft Hera is successfully launched on a Falcon 9 Block 5 rocket by SpaceX from the Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida, United States. The spacecraft will study the asteroid 65803 Didymos and evaluate the impact of the earlier Double Asteroid Redirection Test. (Space News)

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RD: Brian Hastings

Article: Brian Hastings (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Former world record holder Kiwi cricket batter Brian Hastings dies
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Paora (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Have gone through the article and added missing citations. Looks in decent shape now. Schwede66 21:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Lore Segal

Article: Lore Segal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, ABC News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:4C5F:E789:5E5F:4B18 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Austrian-American novelist, teacher and short story writer. 240F:7A:6253:1:4C5F:E789:5E5F:4B18 (talk) 06:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support article seems alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Hurricane Milton

Article: Hurricane Milton (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Milton (pictured) is upgraded to a Category 5 hurricane. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Milton (pictured) is upgraded to a Category 5 hurricane by the National Hurricane Center.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Hurricane Milton (pictured), one of the fastest-intensifying and most intense Atlantic hurricanes on record, approaches Florida.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Historic evacuations commence in Florida in advance of Hurricane Milton, the most intense Atlantic hurricane since 2005.
News source(s): [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]
Credits:

• Nominated by Des Vallee (talk · give credit)
• Created by Vida0007 (talk · give credit)

This Hurricane has had incredible effects on the southern United States already, it's already a category 5 hurricane and has caused mass evacuations so far. It is as strong as Hurricane Dean, and is currently the dominating the reporting in the US. It is an important historical event that is occurring. Des Vallee (talk) 23:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait as per usual we wait to see what the impact is, not before it makes landfall. It has a good chance to be posted after that. Masem (t) 23:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  • To add, the reason we wait for landfall is that the coverage of damage itself needs to be established as to make sure the quality of the article is going in the right direction. If for some reason Milton just vanished overnight and did no landfall, the article still would need improvements to describe that. It's clear this won't happen, Milton will cause a lot of flooding if not more, but we show know how extensive that is without our article to make sure the quality is established. — Masem (t) 16:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait Unlike Helene, we have a conceivable chance of seeing an objective record being broken, with Milton already having the fastest intensification from TD to Category 5. Otherwise, wait until landfall and actual impacts. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 23:22, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until the impacts are known, although I would support blurbing this if more intensity records are broken by this storm. (I mean, it's already the 5th most intense Atlantic hurricane as of this writing, I would not be surprised if it would try to break Wilma's record low pressure.) Vida0007 (talk) 00:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Changing this to Post-posting support. Well-sourced, and this is definitely the biggest news right now. This hurricane's impacts are now being felt in Florida too, even spawning several tornadoes. Vida0007 (talk) 00:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• I believe it is now the most intense in the Gulf of Mexico, and the strongest since Wilma overall. I don't think it's going to reach Wilma's intensity though. It's probably going to be blurbed at landfall anyway. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• SMH. Can we PLEASE wait for impacts in the future? Not gonna request a closure like last time because Milton is already impacting portions of the Gulf Coast and probably will be worthy of posting within 48 hours, but really, we should wait in the future. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  I think that Milton in particular is different than Helene and the other one I can't remember immediately: Milton is setting records well over 24 hours out from landfall, and I think that warrants having an ITN discussion open. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  ITN is not great for posting of records that routinely get broken (like strongest storms). Its the impact of the storm that matters, because not only that is what gets larger attention, but also a better judge for quality of the article to make sure it covers the bulk of such impacts. — Masem (t) 00:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Seconding what Masem said. And I'm gonna say the forbidden words again: as things stand currently, Milton is a much better DYK candidate than a ITN candidate. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  No, it's quite unsuitable for DYK because it's breaking news and so the article will be getting lots of development. The DYK process might take weeks as it has a long pipeline which is overloaded and so is not appropriate for such a topical topic. ITN is obviously the best place to handle this as it routinely covers weather stories and is currently blurbing two others. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Post-Posting Support. I'm pleased with this timing. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait Can't we just wait for the tropical cyclone's impacts instead of nominating it as soon as it reaches a certain intensity? Patience is a virtue. --_ZZ^Z'S 00:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support It already seems clear that this is a big one and the preparations are in the news. The article seems reasonably substantial with 65 citations and counting. It's silly to hold back on this so we can continue to blurb a stale sports story from over a week ago. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm unconvinced that there's a reason to bash a sports nomination, especially given that 1 week isn't particularly long ago. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  That blurb has been run for 8 straight days now, which is much more than the typical featured article gets, never mind DYK. But you know the saying "there's nothing as stale as yesterday's news"? Just think how much more that applies when it's last week's news or last month's news, as it is in that case. And then there's diminishing returns too. After our readers have seen the item a few times, then they will starting tuning it out. And so the consequence is that just about no-one is reading that article now. It's done.

  The fix for this is easy; just run new items that are actually in the news. Like this hurricane that is so terrifying that it moved a veteran meteorologist to tears.

  Andrew🐉(talk) 14:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support I agree with Andrew Davidson, The article is in a good shape, is making headlines and I think it is good enough time now to post this. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose until we can give Milton a blurb that puts it above all the other category 5 hurricanes that didn't make ITN. So far, all we have is preparations (WP:CRYSTALBALL), the intensity (strongest since 2005), and the speed of intensification (fastest on record from tropical depression to category 5). If we can't, then let's have the patience to wait until landfall. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 11:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Support Altblurb 2 proposed, which I think gives it the correct importance. Yes, it's before landfall we're supporting it, but this is a record-setter after all (strongest since 2005, least time between TD and cat 5 hurricane). GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per GeorgeMemulous. Based on the intensification, this particular one is an exception to the rule that we wait for a direct landfall on the mainland U.S. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait It hasn't hit land yet, its a good idea to wait for its effects and any casualty tolls before it is published on ITN. It is also a good idea include Helene alongside it when it makes landfall, as two powerful and devastating hurricanes in a very close period of time is notable. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Helene's devastation was primarily in North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia (U.S. state), whereas Milton's is almost certainly going to be concentrated in Florida. While it is true both will have had significant impacts around Tampa, I think their geographic separation, the fact Helene is gone and stale, and the fact that Milton is so extraordinary means the blurb should only be on Milton. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• As others (and I) have pointed out numerous times in prior TC ITN proposals, we should Wait for impacts or future developments. Category 5 hurricanes are not particularly rare for the North Atlantic basin, and though its RI episode was impressive, I'm not sure if that is truly ITN-worthy. As far as I can recall, the only meteorological record Milton has solidly broken is its extremely unusual motion vector as a C5 hurricane, which is trivial information at best. Milton has not broken any notable meteorological records that may make it ITN-worthy regardless of impacts (e.g. most intense Atlantic hurricane, still comfortably held by Wilma). In regards to abundant news coverage of Milton, this is primarily due to its expected, potentially devastating impacts to the Tampa Bay Area and much of west Florida. Though significant impacts are almost certainly—and unfortunately—going to happen, WP:CRYSTAL applies here until they do happen.

ArkHyena (it/its) 14:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait for landfall, as per usual. Scuba 14:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per GeorgeMemulous. Huge news already due to millions of people ordered to evacuate and the existing documented extreme intensification and strength. There’s no need to wait, per WaltClip, and the article is in good shape per PrinceofPunjab. I strongly disagree with the reasoning expressed by !votes to wait. This is a blurb-worthy ITN story now. Jusdafax (talk) 16:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Already has made a bit of mess in the Yucatan peninsula where it brought rain and winds. (Reminder cyclones don't have to make landfall to do things) Mandatory evacuation orders issued, mass evacuations, some major airports already closed. Seems pretty impactful to me already. Tampa Bay mayor: "you're going to die" The purpose of ITN, and Wikipedia, is to serve the readers, not play Nomic and make up a bunch of arbitrary rules and robotically apply them no matter what. The "real world" is frequently messy and comes in many shades of gray, not stark blank-and-white. (idly wonders whether if an asteroid were predicted on a near certain collision course with a major city, people at ITN would strenuously argue "we have to wait and see what the impacts (heh heh) are first before we post it, can't foretell the future don't know what'll happen for certain") --Slowking Man (talk) 16:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Besides the implied false equivalency between tropical cyclones, where dozens make land impacts every year, and an asteroid strike on a major city, which would be entirely unprecedented in human history, there is the fact that weather forecasts can and do bust. Milton's impacts on Florida are far from "near certain", even if I would state that significant to catastrophic impacts are very likely myself. Weather is messy and it would be bad practice to push a weather event to ITN on the presumption that it will inflict significant impacts before those impacts actually happen. A prime example would be Typhoon Bebinca (2024), which for several days appeared likely (and was explicitly forecast by the JTWC) to make an unprecedented and potentially devastating landfall near Shanghai before dry air halted its intensification. ArkHyena (it/its) 23:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  In terms of a really bad hit true, though a "graze" or two have happened. Fun fact the Tunguska impactor, if merely displaced in time by 6-ish hrs (so the Earth would have rotated to a different spot) would have obliterated St Petersburg (then capital of the Russian Empire) and devastated the Baltic region (by causing a tsunami). (Per article estimated power in megatons which is "big-ass H-bomb" levels to use the scientific term) A premise more alt history stories need to take and run with.

  The Qingyang event also is interesting, unfortunately we don't have much info and could have been other things like storms. Speaking of, a big impact over the 70% of our planet covered by water would cause a tsunami which is decidedly not unprecedented. Look at the Eltanin impact, just don't read that before bedtime

  My broad point was Milton has already caused significant impacts regardless of the future. Mass evacs, disaster declarations etc are impacts. I see now they're closing Wally World, apparently giant megacorps are taking actions with "impacts" (big employer, for one). Just say that in ITN: "disaster declarations evac orders etc are issued for Milton", no predicting the future needed. Slowking Man (talk) 03:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait to see impact. - RockinJack18 16:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait/Oppose Alt Blurb I per above. Sure it's one of the strongest Atlantic hurricanes on record, but people will remember Milton for its destruction more. Oppose Alt Blurb I because there has been plenty of Category 5 hurricanes that didn't make ITN, like Hurricane Lee (2023) and Hurricane Lorenzo (2019). For other Category 5 hurricanes that made it it ITN, it was for its destruction, not its strength. For Alb Blurb II, it can be added to future destruction info. INeedSupport ^:3 18:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait but noting now my support once it makes landfall. As I am just south of Tampa on Florida's west coast, I probably am going to be offline when it comes in and possibly for some days following. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Best of luck, Ad Orientem. Look after yourself. Schwede66 21:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Hopefully you'll be fine. Good luck! INeedSupport ^:3 02:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Good luck! Hope the best for you. Rynoip (talk) 09:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Andrew Davidson. This is already in the news now, and the scale of evacuation is unprecedented. We can update it if or when things worsen, but there is no hard rule which says we need to delay. Also, on a communal responsibility level, I think we should be blurbing this for our readers now with altblurb2 making clear the severity... believe it or not, there are many who do not check the news and we can do our part in communicating how serious this is is. Flip^andFlopped ツ 21:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  I object to the point that blurbing this before it makes landfall is a good idea ignoring notability to inform those in the storm's path. By now I find it hard to believe that anyone in the track of Milton doesn't know what's going on, and those that do probably aren't checking Wikipedia's In The News, and even then, I don't know what's left to do after all the panic buying and evacuations being stalled on the highways. Wikipedia is not a newspaper and I'd bet less than half a percent of Wikipedia's reader base is even in the path. If they weren't swayed by world news headlines, I doubt they'd be swayed by an ITN entry. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 22:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support It's in the news, and the impacts are already being felt as hundreds of thousands of people are evacuating. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The evacuations arent going to be of much importance compared to the impact.

Noah, BSBA^Talk 21:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support once it makes landfall I'm very biased on this one as I'm in its path and it would be a miracle if I still had the ability to log in to cast a !vote after landfall actually happens and the impacts start to become known, but if the storm's impact on Tampa, Clearwater, Sarasota, etc is anywhere near what is forecast, it is all but certain that this will warrant posting. Wishing Ad Orientem and anyone else in Milton's path all the best. Stay safe, and get somewhere safer if you still can.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 01:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Also support altblurbs 2/3 if posted before landfall as the extraordinary strength of this storm is very much in the news.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 15:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support, Category 5 hurricane. TyphoonAmpil ^{[citation needed]} 02:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support when it makes landfall but needs better blurb.

 Nixinova   T   C   06:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Altblurb 3 proposed. This is the last one that will be made before landfall. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 11:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article quality is very good, front page headlines all over the world for the last few days; we have to remember the basic principle that this is called "In the news" for a reason. Clearly having substantial impact, and if anything changes we can amend blurbs as necessary. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support now - as with Helene, the storm is having an extremely prominent and newsworthy effect already in terms of evacuation and other preparations, and we can update the blurb to reflect the physical impact once that occurs. I do think we've had a problem recently with premature nominations for tropical storms, but this is now very ripe. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  This is the most support I've seen for a hurricane before it actually makes landfall... except for Hurricane Dorian which somehow made it into Ongoing. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per policy-based arguments and Lieutenant Dan, a bloke with one leg, who has parked his boat in the middle of Tampa Harbour, is going nowhere and says that God has got his back. He has no life jacket and can only swim in a circle. SerialNumber54129 13:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  His name is Dan? Don't you mean "Bob"? (Or more like, "Sink"? Florida Man Dan eh? Boy, oh, Buoy…) --Slowking Man (talk) 14:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait, until landfall. If a blurb must be chosen now, it should be blurb III as the other three relating to intensity aren't of worldwide interest. ✶Quxyz✶ 15:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Normally I push waiting until there's indication of damage, but there's massive media coverage of this already, and it's a once-in-a-century storm that will hit this very urban area. The leading edge of the rain (perhaps the most intense portion) is already hitting the cost. Nfitz (talk) 16:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Support – as the impacts in Florida are already occurring as of this writing; and it’ll only get worse. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  I support blurb #3. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Quick vote tally:

15 saying wait until landfall (6 in the past 24 hours).

14 saying support posting now (7 in the past 24 hours).

0 saying oppose outright from my knowledge.

I might be a bit off in my counting, but it seems to be about even. If we post before landfall, it should be posted sooner rather than later so that it isn't immediately outdated. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@GeorgeMemulous, correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a consensus, not a vote. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a democracy but the vote tally is still a useful tool for determining consensus. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Suggestion Nasa has images of Milton from the ISS that show the scale of the storm, which might be more interesting than the norm image used for hurricanes/typhoons. [8] Masem (t) 16:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Masem: The ISS video doesn't show Milton at its peak nor it shows it nearing landfall. I don't think it's more interesting than the usual image used for hurricanes. INeedSupport ^:3 21:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Support posting immediately Category 5 hurricanes are relatively rare, impact will obviously be severe, and preparations themselves are so serious that they're already noteworthy.–DMartin 22:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Well as of ~10 mins ago the eyewall is starting to move onshore, might as well post prior to midnight UTC, unless a consensus is found to ensure sufficient time to rule out the possibility of last-second divine intervention before posting something on ITN. --Slowking Man (talk) 23:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted I've posted with the wording that "Milton ... approaches Florida". We can update that in due course. Schwede66 23:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Landfall is now confirmed by the National Hurricane Center. I suggest an altblurb similar to "Hurricane Milton, the most intense Atlantic hurricane since 2005, makes landfall in Florida." or something of the like. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Cissy Houston

Article: Cissy Houston (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Mother of Whitney Houston, singer with The Sweet Inspirations which preformed with many acts such as Elvis, and also brief solo career. Issues exist with the article. TheCorriynial (talk) 19:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs ref improvement. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose orange tagged and quite a bit unsourced information. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article needs work. Scuba 14:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Zaw Myint Maung

Article: Zaw Myint Maung (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Week,ABCNews
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Close aide of Aung San Suu Kyi Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support article is a little short but it's properly cited. Scuba 15:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Almost there: one CN tag needs a look, and it's generally pretty sparse (his appointment as Chief Minister is mentioned in the lead, but not in the body). UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support one cn tag but nothing else major preventing it. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Unreferenced DoB. Schwede66 08:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine

Articles: Victor Ambros (talk · history · tag) and Gary Ruvkun (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Victor Ambros and Gary Ruvkun (both pictured) receive the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for their discovery of microRNA. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Nobel Prize press release
Credits:

• Nominated by Sandstein (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MiRroar (talk · give credit), Liu1126 (talk · give credit), Cfls (talk · give credit) and Intrepidity (talk · give credit)

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Standard fare for ITN. Putting it up here to discuss whether article quality is adequate. Sandstein 11:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC) / Consolidated with an edit-conflicted nomination by Oceanh (talk) 11:19, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now; the awards sections in both articles are almost entirely uncited. Support Looks good now! Estreyeria (talk) 14:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose articles look fine, but neither have a section on winning the nobel prize, I'd be willing to change my vote when those sections are made. Scuba 15:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose until more valid references are added and non-documented personal information is removed. We have to be careful per WP:BLP.--ReyHahn (talk) 16:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait because we should post all of the winners at once. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 00:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  We never done such a thing.--ReyHahn (talk) 10:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Don't invent new rules. In the past some winners were not even posted, shame on us Varoon2542 (talk) 12:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose both of the bolded articles needs more sources. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Support I've added sources for the Awards sections and some other general info in both articles, but there are a few sentences on their research that aren't explicitly sourced, which will likely require citations to their research papers. We should get someone more qualified from WP:BIOL to look at those. I've managed to source the technical parts too. The two articles are now fully cited, so I'm formally supporting. Liu1126 (talk) 12:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support If the Nobel Prize for Medicine is not published before it gets stale, then shame on us — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varoon2542 (talk • contribs) 12:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support nice work! Seems good enough. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Support Article looks good. 64.114 etc 00:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support. Thanks, Liu. Ready to post! 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:F4F3:BC7A:91D8:83C6 (talk) 00:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support per the last four consecutive users. 2605:8D80:401:9506:71A2:F7E:99F4:3379 (talk) 00:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support notable event, you’re good to go. 72.143.234.123 (talk) 01:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support as with others. 74.49.190.204 (talk) 02:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Marking ready. Nice work by the updaters. Good to go to the mainpage. Well done. Ktin (talk) 03:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ildar Dadin

Article: Ildar Dadin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on Sunday but looks to have been confirmed today. Article is good length but needs more citations, especially in certain sections. Also needs a "death" section. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose yeah, it needs citations, "Dadin's scheme" section is almost devoid of them. Scuba 15:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready article needs some work in sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

2024 Kazakh nuclear power referendum

Article: 2024 Kazakh nuclear power referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kazakhstan votes for its first nuclear power plant (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Kazakhstan approves proposed nuclear power plant in referendum
Alternative blurb II: ​ Kazakhstan votes for its first nuclear power plant since their independence from the Soviet Union.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Created and nominated by ShadZ01 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

 ShadZ01 (talk) 11:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: Not notable enough (according to me). High Admiral JMT (talk) 13:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability. There's no way to know if the plant will actually be finished, so ideally it should be nominated then. Also, Kazakhstan isn't under the same international nuclear scrutiny as somewhere like Iran, and this isn't exactly a fusion reactor - nuclear power has been around for many decades, and Kazakhstan is a leading exporter of uranium, so it's not a surprise one gets built. Plus, I doubt it's notable in of itself, beyond being the country's only one, assuming no disaster or international crisis happens, which from a glance at the article seems unlikely with 6 decades of nuclear safety backing it up. As for the steps towards global carbon neutrality, the Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station closure from 30 September is sitting in ITN limbo - receiving little attention, with unclear consensus.

Also, Nuclear power in Kazakhstan states in its first paragraph Kazakhstan already had a nuclear reactor online in the Soviet era, so this isn't really their first. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose we don't usually include referendums unless they're notable enough geopolitically. Scuba 14:59, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support i think it's important and faily unusual too, a big step from the usual anti nucelar sentiment of the western populace. Kasperquickly (talk) 23:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose We do not post referendums except in some extremely rare cases, this is not one of those cases. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Sometimes this gets a little tiring to hear at ITN, but I do think this is an instance of "more suited for WP:DYK". A 5-sec Web glance tells me there are several new reactors globally that had construction begin this year, and more with construction planned to commence in the near-term future. For me, this would lean more towards "ITN stuff" if there had been some long-term global reactor moratorium, and this had been a marked shift, or if KZ was a country known for a past stance of disapproval toward new reactor construction. But to my knowledge KZ just hasn't planned any new construction previously b/c of a mix of economic and political factors and lack of perceived need; please correct if wrong. --Slowking Man (talk) 18:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  And under what criterion would this article qualify for DYK, Slowking Man? Schwede66 22:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Idk I don't pay much attention to whatever Byzantine rules they have over there. Life's too short if you ask me. Guessing you need to file your nomination forms in triplicate and ensure you provide at least six notarized copies of the article or else *bzzt* so sorry, no dice? If there's a bunch of arbitrary hoops to jump through or else people making good & useful contributions get denied recognition for their freely given volunteer labor, that's obviously dumb and ought to be tossed. If I were King Of Wikipedia For A Day I'd probably just make DYK something like, nominate whatever, any nom that gets say, 4 or so votes in favor gets run unless some kind of Big No-no were identified (copyright, false info etc). The reading public does not care whether some DYK item happens not to comply with rule 4 clause 14 subsection 3(b)(2) Slowking Man (talk) 01:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  My point is that it's a little tiring to hear from editors who have no idea how DYK works that an article should be nominated there, Slowking Man. Schwede66 04:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Right, good point, importantly, don't want to give nominators wrong impressions. Guess in the future I should put it something like "some Platonic ideal process for recognition and highlighting Interesting Stuff that isn't quite Really Big News (since ITN is pretty space-constrained)" Slowking Man (talk) 01:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Important, fairly unusual, per Kasperquickly. 2605:8D80:401:9506:71A2:F7E:99F4:3379 (talk) 01:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support, also per Kasper. 64.114 etc 01:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support, important event. Looks good enough. 74.49.190.204 (talk) 02:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support That’s… unusual. Good to go. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:4C8B:D7C5:6DAF:1827 (talk) 03:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

October 6

Portal:Current events/2024 October 6

October 6, 2024 (2024-10-06) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war 2024 Beersheba bus station shooting A police officer is killed and thirteen other people are injured in Beersheba, Israel, in an incident described as a terrorist attack. The perpetrator is shot dead by security forces. (The Jerusalem Post) Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 26 people are killed in Israeli airstrikes allegedly targeting Hamas militants that hit a mosque and a school housing displaced Palestinians in Deir al-Balah in the Gaza Strip. (BBC News) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Hezbollah claims that its attacks on Israeli soldiers trying to infiltrate Blida, Lebanon, forced the soldiers to retreat. (AFP via Barron's) The Israeli military establishes a forward operating base near a United Nations peacekeeping force in Lebanon, putting peacekeepers at risk. UNIFIL has refused the Israeli military's request to move its positions. (Al Jazeera) A rocket fired from Lebanon strikes a restaurant in Haifa, Israel, injuring at least six people. (The Jerusalem Post) Insurgency in Sindh At least two people, both Chinese nationals, are killed and ten others are injured when an oil tanker truck exploded near Jinnah International Airport in Karachi, Pakistan. The separatist group Balochistan Liberation Army claims responsibility for the explosion, stating they targeted a convoy of Chinese workers of the Port Qasim Electric Power Company. (Crisis24) (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Godini shooting Six people are killed and four others are injured in a mass shooting after eight gunmen open fire on a group of community patrollers in Godini village near Qumbu, Eastern Cape, South Africa. The shooting took place on the day of the memorial service for the victims of the Lusikisiki shootings, which also occurred in the Eastern Cape. (News24) Science and technology Europa Clipper Due to Hurricane Milton, NASA cancels the launch of the Europa Clipper scheduled for October 10. (CBS News)

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(Needs Attention) 2024 Tunisian presidential election

Article: 2024 Tunisian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Incumbent Tunisian President Kais Saied is declared the winner of the 2024 Tunisian presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Incumbent Tunisian President Kais Saied is declared the winner of the 2024 Tunisian presidential election which was boycotted by the opposition.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Incumbent Tunisian President Kais Saied is declared the winner of the 2024 Tunisian presidential election which was boycotted due to opposition candidates being disqualified.
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
• Created by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A national election per ITN/R, waited a bit before bringing it here since the article wasn't updated Scuba 16:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb II The election being boycotted should be included but also why. Rynoip (talk) 23:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Sincerely asking since I'm uncertain, is it considered a sham election generally by "independent neutral observers"? If so do we blurb those? (In any case that fact should be mentioned in any blurb, I would think) --Slowking Man (talk) 01:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support altblurb II I agree with Rynoip. 64.114 etc 02:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support alternative blurb 2. Good to post. 2605:8D80:401:9506:71A2:F7E:99F4:3379 (talk) 02:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support as this is a general election that deserves to be posted. 74.49.190.204 (talk) 02:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support per 74. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:4C8B:D7C5:6DAF:1827 (talk) 03:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Sefedin Braho

Article: Sefedin Braho (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): A2 News (in Albanian)
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well referenced although a little short Abcmaxx (talk) 08:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose article is currently a stub. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Dave Hobson

Article: Dave Hobson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MSN
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs work but long time Congressman.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose does indeed need work. Scuba 15:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose orange tagged article with only three sources. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Johan Neeskens

Article: Johan Neeskens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, Reuters, AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:31B8:ECBC:1D01:F0D8 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Deathisallaroundus (talk · give credit) and Albert101032 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Noted Dutch football manager and player. 240F:7A:6253:1:31B8:ECBC:1D01:F0D8 (talk) 15:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Article is in good shape Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose most of the article is uncited. Scuba 15:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support there is one cn tag but that shouldn't hold it back from getting posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Unreferenced DoB. Schwede66 17:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support the Dutch football magazine Voetbal International unsurprisingly had a comprehensive obituary, fully available for free. [9] It helped me fill in the gaps and then some. Unknown Temptation (talk) 23:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 08:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Sinking of HMNZS Manawanui

Article: HMNZS Manawanui (2019) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Royal New Zealand Navy ship Manawanui sinks off Upolu, Samoa, after running aground. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 12 people are injured as the Royal New Zealand Navy ship Manawanui sinks after grounding off Upolu, Samoa.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
• Updated by IdiotSavant (talk · give credit) and Nick-D (talk · give credit)

Fairly unusual for commissioned navy vessels to sink, particularly Western vessels. This is the first RNZN vessel to sink since WWII. Article could use some updating. Will see what I can add - Dumelow (talk) 18:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I've expanded it to a reasonably complete update - Dumelow (talk) 19:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I think I know what happened. Schwede66 03:30, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment We generally do not post military vessel accidents, since such are considered part of the duty. --Masem (t) 19:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Interested in seeing some discussion on this; I think such sinkings are rare enough (particularly in Western navies). We posted the accidental sinking of the Iranian navy's Kharg in 2021 - Dumelow (talk) 19:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Meaning no disrespect toward Her Majesty and no respect toward the Ayatollah, but IRIS Kharg had been around for longer, seeing more people and doing more things. Her loss was more "significant" for having spent those further 42 years afloat. Sometimes localized rarities just aren't rare enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose For the Royal New Zealand Navy, sure, not the most pleasant experience. But in terms of recent boat sinkings, count your blessings. Article isn't bad. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:48, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  There were more deaths, sure, but are you seriously comparing the sinking of a "locally made wooden boat", as described in your source, to a modern naval vessel? —Cryptic 22:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Not in construction, maintenance and several other ways we can (and should) view an object. But as an event, yeah. Both seriously sunk in two newsworthy ways (and one we generally don't post). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose No deaths, small ship, unimportant country (I didn't even know they had a military or a navy) Kasperquickly (talk) 22:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  That last part is an absurdly ignorant and snide comment, but from your past history, unfortunately not out of your typical behavior.

  Quit it if you want to continue participating in ITNR, because I can assure you people don’t like it. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Well, it got a hearty belly laugh out of me! Schwede66 03:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Kasperquickly Knock it off. If you are unable to contribute to a discussion w/o being rude and obnoxious, then kindly don't. You've been here long enough to know better. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Kasperquickly your on how many warnings again and you continue to do these acts?? learn a lesson please and stop with the offensive rhetoric and personal attacks on others Ion.want.uu (talk) 01:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah mate, real helpful. ITN isn’t for you to show off your ignorance it’s for discussion. I personally disagree with posting this but there are other ways to do it then saying oppose because “the country is unimportant (no such thing)” 27.96.223.193 (talk) 08:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  “the country is unimportant (no such thing)”

  there is such thing though, this palce has been filled with news about elections in pacific micronations with populations of 10,000 people for no other reason than the local editors wanting to virtue signal others how liberal they are Kasperquickly (talk) 23:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  I think 27 is referring to your (at least prior) idea that there's "no such thing" as a New Zealand Defence Force. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  I get the outrage, especially from the new zealander editors, but I actually honestly had thought New ZEaland was on this list: List of sovereign states without armed forces Kasperquickly (talk) 03:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  The important things are you learned something about the planet, New Zealanders have a fairly hardy sense of humour and Australia doesn't exist. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  I’m not even Kiwi? It’s just unproductive and annoying to see snarky comments on discussion pages. 27.96.223.193 (talk) 12:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  A country is significant becuase it’s a country, and that’s a fact you cannot deny. We post elections because they are elections, we don’t get to pick and choose becuase they are objectively “unimportant” 27.96.223.193 (talk) 12:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on notability - this wasn't exactly the Sinking of the Moskva. 0 deaths and the destruction of an otherwise hardly notable ship with no indication this'll have any affect on the worldwide stage or as precedent for any future event. Before 48 hours ago, the article only had 2 paragraphs of prose, with none indicating particular significance beyond replacing the HMNZS Manawanui (A09) which itself is hardly notable. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:15, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support: New Zealand is a popular country, and sinking of navy ships of powerful Western countries are indeed rare. High Admiral JMT (talk) 01:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on notability - a curious incident, but not an important or apparently significant one. LocoTacoFever (talk) 01:14, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape. Not unusual for an article to be greatly expanded (or even created) after an event. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support No casualties, but the unintentional/accidental sinking of a sizable warship is above average notability-wise. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose — Insignificant event, non-notable subject. STSC (talk) 05:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose. Unfortunate event, but there were no casualties and the crew evacuated the ship safety. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Given her role (removing WW2 ordinance from shallow waters) it's unsurprising this grounding happened. Additionally, no fatalities mean relatively little impact -- other than embarrassment. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on importance. Ships regularly sink, buses crash, floods flood... Not a major story in international media. Sandstein 14:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support: ships (fairly) often sink, but warships don't often -- particularly in the RNZN, which only has a handful of them. I believe this is the first time a Commonwealth naval ship has had to be abandoned since the Falklands, and the first in a long time outside war. Article looks good. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  It wasn't a warship, it was a support vessel that was tasked with removing unexploded WW2 ordnance. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support — Unusual "accident" that happened under mysterious circumstances; becoming notable because of the likelihood of oil spill and the potential environmental disaster affecting the locals.[10] — STSC (talk) 17:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support — Maritime incident (sinking in this case) involving a state vessel. Don't dismiss it because it's an auxiliary (as opposed to a combatant). CoatCheck (talk) 17:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Failing to see any real impacts here besides being an expensive incident to clean up for the NZ navy. This actually IS a good item that DYK can cover if there's a bit more expansion of the article in the next few days. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose -- this doesn't seem to be a blurbworthy event. No one died, and it seems not to be being picked up in international news. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose not a major event and has (fortunately) no deaths. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose No deaths, minimal injuries. More a “Did you know that the HMNZS Manawanui is the first ship from New Zealand to sink in peacetime?” 27.96.223.193 (talk) 06:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

That's not correct, HMNZS Manuka sank in 1952 at its moorings. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 21:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. NZ is one of the world’s major nations, the article is in good shape, and warships don’t sink fairly often. 64.114 etc 03:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support as with my main man. 2605:8D80:401:9506:71A2:F7E:99F4:3379 (talk) 03:24, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support This accident is unusual, and does "[involve] a [national] state vessel". Green light. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:1407:8831:3685:866E (talk) 03:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

October 5

Portal:Current events/2024 October 5

October 5, 2024 (2024-10-05) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign Russian forces claim that they captured the village of Bazhane Druhe in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (The Economic Times) Ukrainian forces say that they have shot down a Russian aircraft near Kostiantynivka. The aircraft crashed into a house, causing it to catch fire. No casualties are reported. The aircraft is later reported to be a S-70 Okhotnik-B and was reportedly shot down by a Russian Su-57 jet to prevent its capture by Ukraine. (Defence Blog) (Forbes) (AP) Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes Hamas says that an Israeli strike killed Saeed Atallah, a leader in the Al-Qassam Brigades, along with three family members in a Palestinian refugee camp in Tripoli, Lebanon. (Reuters) Naxalite–Maoist insurgency Indian police claim that 31 Naxalite rebels were killed in a shootout with Indian soldiers in the Abujhmad forest in Chhattisgarh, India. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents English Channel migrant crossings Four people, including a child, are killed in two separate incidents while attempting to cross the English Channel in boats. (BBC News) Royal New Zealand Navy vessel HMNZS Manawanui runs aground off the coast of Samoa before catching fire and later capsizing. All 75 crew members are evacuated onto lifeboats and rescued. It is the first loss of a New Zealand naval ship at sea since World War II. (BBC News) Sports 2024 NCAA Division I FBS football season 2024 Alabama vs. Vanderbilt football game The unranked Vanderbilt Commodores upset the undefeated, AP No. 1 ranked Alabama Crimson Tide 40–35, marking the first time Vanderbilt won against a top-five ranked team in its program's history. (CNN)

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RD: Ifigenia Martínez y Hernández

Article: Ifigenia Martínez y Hernández (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Proceso (in Spanish)
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Abcmaxx (talk) 19:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article is teetering on a stub, and almost all the sources are primary sources. Scuba 20:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose An unsourced early life/education, a load of primary sources for each legislature she was elected to, and then her death. The infobox runs further down the page than any of its text. WP:ITNQUALITY says "Articles should be a minimally comprehensive overview of the subject, not omitting any major items". We have absolutely nothing sourced from a third-party source for any event outside the last of her 5,148 weeks on Earth. Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:59, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Note Expanded the article quite a bit. Hopefully it's up to a minimum standard. EchoLuminary (talk) 06:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Robert Coover

Article: Robert Coover (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11]
Credits:

• Nominated by Vladimir.copic (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Vladimir.copic (talk) 02:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Bibliography uncited. Scuba 04:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

@Scu ba Are you able to point me to the policy or guideline that says we need citations for a bibliography? Vladimir.copic (talk) 05:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

WP:CS Scuba 05:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

@Scu ba Can you point to the specific text you are referring to? I had a conversation about this here a few months ago and I don't think there is any consensus on it. This seems to be a fairly robust bibliography although there could be ISBN and publisher information - but this would be a higher standard than the Ernest Hemmingway FA. Vladimir.copic (talk) 05:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Isn't a bibliography its own citation, in that it makes reference to the respective primary sources, which can be verified in any online library catalog? Sandstein 13:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

then cite the online library catalog. Scuba 16:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

We don't do that for any other kind of bibliography? I really don't understand this strange quirk of RD that is so divorced from the practice in the article space, requiring something that we do not even expect of FAs. See: William Gibson, James Joyce, Mary Shelley Vladimir.copic (talk) 04:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Because of how often concerns about uncited -ographies come up as a sticking point in ITN, I once added citations to the filmography of a living actor, thinking this was just the right thing to do, only to be flat-out reverted by an editor who claimed that citations are not necessary if the actor is credited onscreen or on the poster. Now that feels like it was on a rather extreme end of reactions, but I agree that there really does not seem to be any generally accepted best practice here. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 05:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

This exact thing happened to me at Toumani Diabaté and is what highlighted to me this wider issue. Search -ography at any time on this page and you will get someone opposing based on it being uncited - yet the wider community does not agree on whether inline citations are needed. I am considering drafting something to go in MOS:LISTSOFWORKS to address this. Vladimir.copic (talk) 22:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

October 4

Portal:Current events/2024 October 4

October 4, 2024 (2024-10-04) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war Hamas' armed wing Al-Qassam Brigades confirms the death of commander Zahi Yaser Oufi in an Israeli strike in Tulkarm in the West Bank yesterday. (Reuters) Red Sea crisis 2024 missile strikes in Yemen The United States launches airstrikes against Houthi locations in Yemen, including in the capital Sanaa, and the port city of Al Hudaydah. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Pokrovsk offensive The head of military administration of Pokrovsk, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, Serhiy Dobriak reports that Russian forces are now about 7 kilometres (4.3 mi) from the city, and have destroyed or damaged 80% of the city's critical infrastructure. (Reuters) Business and economy The European Union votes 10–5 with 12 abstentions to institute tariffs of up to 45% on electric vehicles manufactured in China. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 European floods 2024 Bosnia and Herzegovina floods Sixteen people are killed in floods and landslides in Jablanica, Bosnia and Herzegovina. (Al Jazeera) 2023–2024 South American drought Extreme drought in the Amazon rainforest of Brazil causes the river banks of the city of Manaus to fall to their lowest levels since 1902, severely impacting trade in the region. (Reuters) International relations Georgia–European Union relations, Accession of Georgia to the European Union The European Union threatens sanctions and a suspension of relations with Georgia if Georgia becomes a "one-party state" with no political opposition following the next parliamentary elections on October 26. (Reuters) Law and crime Parole for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans The United States Department of Homeland Security reports that the Biden administration will not renew the legal status of 530,000 migrants who entered the U.S. as part of a provisional humanitarian program beginning in 2022. (Reuters) Pork barrel scam The Sandiganbayan court in the Philippines acquits Chief Presidential Legal Counsel and former Senate president Juan Ponce Enrile, his former aide Gigi Reyes, and Janet Napoles of plunder in connection with the alleged misuse of Ponce Enrile's Priority Development Assistance Fund during his senatorial term. (AFP via CNA) (Rappler) Women's rights in Afghanistan The European Court of Justice rules that all Afghan women are eligible for asylum in the European Union. (The Guardian) At least two people are killed and three others are injured, including one critically, in a suspected arson at a 100-year-old three-story building in the Old Montreal neighbourhood of Montreal, Quebec, Canada. (CBC News) (CFCF-TV) A woman from Toronto, Ontario, Canada, is arrested and charged with murder following a stabbing spree that killed three people in Toronto, Niagara Falls and Hamilton between Tuesday and Thursday. (CFTO-TV) Politics and elections 2024 French political crisis, French anti-Barnier government protests October 2024 French vote of no confidence The left-wing New Popular Front coalition files a motion of no confidence against the new right-wing Barnier government amid ongoing political protests in France. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Christopher Ciccone

Article: Christopher Ciccone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter, Entertainment Weekly
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:EDA2:6B32:7BE5:1E7C (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Partyclams (talk · give credit), Danielvis08 (talk · give credit) and Apoxyomenus (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American artist, interior decorator and designer. 240F:7A:6253:1:EDA2:6B32:7BE5:1E7C (talk) 01:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good, albeit heavily supported by a single source. Scuba 03:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Article is good enough, though more work can be done on it. High Admiral JMT (talk) 04:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Sourced, and the article is in a decent shape. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. Sandstein 14:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Michel Blanc

Article: Michel Blanc (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde, The Guardian, BFMTV
Credits:

• Nominated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Notable French actor. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 23:27, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose uncited filmography Scuba 03:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose unsourced filmography and on stage works. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Support Remove whatever is unsourced if necessary but give him an RD, he's a household name in France and won a male acting award at CannesVaroon2542 (talk) 21:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

No, we don't merely remove verifiable content just to fasttrack a posting. That's gaming the system. —Bagumba (talk) 12:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Greg Landry

Article: Greg Landry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NFL.com, NBC Sports, ABC News, AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:9C21:B9C3:98B5:A380 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cipherbug (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Detroit Lions quarterback and Chicago Bears assistant coach. 240F:7A:6253:1:9C21:B9C3:98B5:A380 (talk) 12:23, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article is orange tagged. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: Article is not in good shape. Orange tagged. High Admiral JMT (talk) 08:35, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article is in bad need of citations. Scuba 21:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Billy Shaw

Article: Billy Shaw (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NFL.com, ESPN, AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:2D9A:96F4:D7E9:E994 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Hall of Fame Buffalo Bills guard. 240F:7A:6253:1:2D9A:96F4:D7E9:E994 (talk) 04:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait college section needs some work as it mainly consists of quotes, there is one cn tag and there is basically no indormation about his life between 1969 till 1999 and then from 1999 till his death. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good from a glance, no orange tags, no CNs that I could see. Scuba 16:02, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Multiple citation tags outstanding.—Bagumba (talk) 16:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Ongoing Removal: Sudanese civil war (2023–present)

Article: Sudanese civil war (2023–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Even if it's still ongoing, it dosen't receive as much coverage that it use to have. That article is also less updated then what it was. --Roncanada (talk) 22:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose still a major conflict and receiving news updates This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:42, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Every time we do this it reescalates within like 2 months. It's an on and off war, and its brutally horrific. It should be ongoing. Just because the West wont cover it doesn't mean that we shouldnt. Lukt64 (talk) 23:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

  To play Devil's Advocate, notability in ITN is judged by amount of English-language reliable sources covering an event. If it's not being covered then that lessens notability, irrespective of how significant the story actually is. Though I do think we should keep this item up. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:24, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose there was just a major offensive in Khartoum like a few weeks ago. Scuba 00:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as one of the main editors of the page. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is also getting less coverage than it used to. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 17:55, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• oppose per previous arguments Abo Yemen✉ 12:05, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Still being updated frequently by western sources. River10000 (talk) 16:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support The list of ongoing armed conflicts lists six major wars, 15 wars and many lesser conflicts. By listing just a few of these in ITN's Ongoing, we give the impression that that's all there is. That's misleading and so it would be better to link to the list. That would provide a continuous gateway to all the numerous conflicts such as the Gang war in Haiti which is discussed below. Cherry-picking particular wars and incidents is not adequate as it thereby ignores all the others. And we don't have space to list everything. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:07, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

  You opposed the nomination related to the Haitian gang war though? We have plenty of space, the main obstacle is regular updates and article quality. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:08, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Just 3 days ago there was an article in The Guardian about the El Fasher offensive, 2 weeks ago CNN article about the capital city battles, and Al Jazeera article about the resulting refugee crisis. Quite clearly ongoing and widely reported on, even given the difficulties reporting on this part of the world. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support The ongoing line is meant for stories that are making headlines on a near daily basis, not simply because the event is ongoing. The Ukraine and the Israeli fronts clearly get those. While there are occasional stories from the Sudan civil war, its just too small scale in terms of coverage to be appropriate to maintain in the ongoing line. Masem (t) 12:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support only 50 edits since August, and nothing substantive. Stephen 13:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Due to various reasons, this particular conflict is not making that much news. It has only limited number of edits in the last two months when ongoing articles are expected to be updated nearly every day. I don't think timeline article is good enough to be posted on the main page as it seems to have turned into a news ticker. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:10, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I see well over 30 articles on the subject of the war in the last 24-48 hours (Searching for Sudan and Soudan...) Yesterday, AfricaNews wrote: "Fighting is expected to intensify as the rainy season draws to a close." (source) For some reason, neither the 29 Sept 2024 NYT article (§) on the UAE's "borrowing" of the Red Crescent symbol, nor the 2 October BBC article mentioning that NYT article have made it to the entry yet... -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 14:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

  Even if there are dozens of news stories of late about it, the lack of significant updates on a near-daily basis to our article itself means it's failing the quality aspect that would be expected for ongoing, and should be removed. But even with the bulk of those stories, the ones I see all fall into more routine coverage that doesn't describe any significant events that are part of it. Masem (t) 15:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. Yes, the pace of editing has slowed a bit. But the article is still getting meaningful updates and sadly the war is continuing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:14, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
• support per stephen. it is for events with regular updates, clearly it is lacking.Sportsnut24 (talk) 00:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: I disagree that an ongoing item needs to require regular updates, but then, as others have noted above, there certainly are things going on in this conflict, particularly if we look more widely than the front pages of western media. The war is important and the war is ongoing: therefore, it is a good candidate for an ongoing item. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:55, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. The way I see it, the Timeline article is not written well enough to be at ITN as things currently stand. Too many single sentence updates that are simply "side a did x" or "side b claims y". Timeline or not, the article is still subject to the test of "substantial updates", which I think are lacking here. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  The timeline and the main article are two different entries. The main entry has had significant updates since this was opened. Articles from La Presse, Africa News, RFI, etc. have appeared in the last 24 hours (each of those 3 on different subjects related to the war). They could be added if those who work on the page deem them useful to enrich the reader's understanding... nb: the page is already >300K (no sense bloating for the sake of bloating it) and has had over 178K views in the last 30 days.-- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 21:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Bosnia and Herzegovina floods

Article: 2024 Bosnia and Herzegovina floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least fifteen people die in floods and landslides in Bosnia and Herzegovina. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, Al-Jazeera, N1Info, Associated Press
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Daß Wölf (talk · give credit)

Article sources count 14 dead in Jablanica and 1 in Fojnica. At least one place was apparently completely buried by debris (Donja Jablanica), so likely many more. The main road between Sarajevo and the Adriatic Sea is closed. Elections are also due this weekend. Daß Wölf 14:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability, oppose on quality as the article isn't there yet. 15 confirmed less than 24 hours after the event happened is awfully high, and a village with its own article buried is what I'd considered newsworthy. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Any suggestions on what to improve? There's more info in the sources I used in the article, but I tried to stick with what's almost surely not going to be refuted. The catastrophe entered the news cycle only several hours earlier today. The people who found the dead in Jablanica are with the mountain rescue service, which probably started at sunrise.

There should be more info by tomorrow, but I don't believe any of this is going to be struck out. Jablanica might or might not turn out to be the centre of the catastrophe. I'll add the government info from the N1 article; I only relied on BiH and Croatian sources up till now. Daß Wölf 14:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Some suggestions I have for improving the article's quality are to split it into sections and add an infobox. I suggest the article have at least sections for the lede, background, the flooding itself, the aftermath, reactions, and a see also section to similar disasters. As for the infobox, I suggest Template:Infobox flood. If you find any images, either free-to-use or fair use (mutually exclusive), use that as the image parameter. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@GeorgeMemulous: Thanks, I've added an infobox. I'll organise it into sections if I find more time later today (but naturally, anybody is welcome). No objections beside the layout? Daß Wölf 15:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Beyond that, I'd say the article length is the other main concern, but I assume once it's split into the aforementioned sections that won't be much of a concern. Everything appears to be sourced. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 15:41, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait/Weak Oppose For now, still unclear on total casualties or economic impact. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:46, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose article needs some work. Scuba 17:55, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• The page has been updated and given a typical section layout. Daß Wölf 13:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Quality seems fine, everything's cited, high national impact event. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is of good enough quality and I don't think floods of this level are common in this country. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@Kcmastrpc: Economic impact will be pretty high. Due to the enormous damage of the railway, the Federal Railways will suffer a daily loss of circa KM 280,000 (~€143,000) for at least a few months according to this source. The fact that part of the main road, M-17, between the capital Sarajevo and Mostar has suffered major damage as well (the two cities garnering a major amount of economic cash flow), will most definitely add to the financial loss. These are the most damaging floods since the ones in 2014 and this is an enormous deal as it was completely unexpected. Bakir123 (talk) 14:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posted – Schwede66 19:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

October 3

Portal:Current events/2024 October 3

October 3, 2024 (2024-10-03) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war 2024 Tulkarm Camp airstrike An Israeli Air Force jet launches an airstrike on a refugee camp in Tulkarm in the occupied West Bank, killing at least 20 people. (Al Jazeera) Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip An Israeli airstrike in central Gaza kills Aziz Salha, known for his role in the 2000 Ramallah lynching. (Jerusalem Post) The Israel Defense Forces announces that they killed Rawhi Mushtaha, head of the Hamas government in Gaza, along with Sameh al-Siraj and Sami Oudeh, who were responsible for security in Hamas, in an airstrike three months ago in northern Gaza. (BBC News) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Israel launches multiple strikes using bunker buster bombs on Beirut, Lebanon, targeting Hezbollah official Hashem Safieddine. (Al Arabiya) Nine medics are killed in an Israeli airstrike against an Islamic Health Authority office in Beirut, Lebanon, bringing the death toll of medics killed in Lebanon in the past two weeks to 97. (Al Jazeera) (Al Jazeera 2) The Lebanese Armed Forces open fire on Israeli troops near Bint Jbeil, Nabatieh Governorate, Lebanon, for the first time since the invasion began, after two Lebanese Army soldiers were killed earlier today in separate Israeli strikes in southern Lebanon. (The Times) (Al Arabiya) A Hellenic Air Force plane evacuates Greek and Cypriot nationals from Beirut–Rafic Hariri International Airport in Lebanon. (Ekathimerini) Spillover of the Israel–Hamas war The Islamic Resistance in Iraq launch a kamikaze drone attack on a military base in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, killing two IDF soldiers and injuring 24 others. (Times of Israel) Haitian crisis Pont-Sondé attack Armed gunmen from the Gran Grif gang commit a mass shooting with automatic rifles and a series of arson attacks in the town of Pont-Sondé, Haiti, killing at least 70 people and seriously injuring 16 others, with a local government prosecutor describing the incident as a massacre. (CTV News) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Effects of Hurricane Helene in North Carolina One thousand U.S. soldiers are deployed to western North Carolina to aid the North Carolina National Guard in humanitarian operations and to help find hundreds of missing people. (NBC News) United States Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas reports that the Federal Emergency Management Agency lacks the funding to provide necessary support for the remainder of the 2024 hurricane season. (Axios) 2024 famine in Haiti Save the Children reports that 17% of all children in Haiti are currently suffering from emergency food insecurity primarily caused by national gang wars. (Reuters) Nine people are killed in a fire at a hospital in Pingtung County, Taiwan. (AP) Seven people are killed and 19 others are injured when a bus falls into a ravine in Balochistan, Pakistan. (Dawn) At least 78 people are killed when a boat capsizes in Lake Kivu in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Al Jazeera) An engine surge causes a fire in a Ryanair Boeing 737-800 while taxiing at Brindisi Airport in southern Italy, prompting the evacuation of the 184 passengers and crew on board. (CTV News) (ASN) Health and environment 2023–2024 mpox epidemic Ghana reports its first case of mpox this year. (Reuters) Rwanda Marburg virus disease outbreak Officials in Rwanda report that the death toll from the Marburg virus outbreak in the country has increased to 11 people. (AP) International relations Chagos Archipelago sovereignty dispute The United Kingdom and Mauritius jointly announce that a deal has been made to resolve the dispute over the Chagos Archipelago, with sovereignty of the British Indian Ocean Territory being handed over to Mauritius in exchange for the United Kingdom and the United States retaining control of the military base on Diego Garcia for the next 99 years. (BBC News) (Reuters) Law and crime LGBT rights in Georgia Georgian LGBT propaganda law The Georgian Parliament Speaker signs into law a wide-ranging bill that bans gender transitioning and gender-affirming care, same-sex marriage and adoption, and depictions of LGBTQ+ people in media after the President refused to sign it, which chief European Union diplomat Josep Borrell states could prevent the nation's accession to the EU. (Politico) Prosecution of S. Iswaran Former Singapore Transport Minister S. Iswaran, who pleaded guilty to four charges of obtaining valuable items as a public servant and one charge of obstruction of justice last week, is sentenced to one year in jail. (CNA) (Straits Times) Fawzia Amin Sido, a Yazidi woman who had been kidnapped at age 11 by the Islamic State in 2014 in Iraq and sold and trafficked to Gaza, is freed from captivity in Gaza following a secret operation involving the United States and Israel. The woman's captor is believed to have previously been killed in an Israeli airstrike. (Reuters)

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RD: Pierre Christin

Article: Pierre Christin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Figaro, El Pais
Credits:

• Nominated by alexcalamaro (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

French comic author known per Valérian. Article not ready yet. Alexcalamaro (talk) 07:04, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Article is too short and needs citations. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait three cn tags needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• We do not post stubs. Schwede66 17:12, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Current size is 1345 B (214 words).—Bagumba (talk) 12:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Pont-Sondé attack

Article: 2024 Pont-Sondé attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An attack on the Haitian town of Pont-Sondé by a gang leaves at least 70 people dead and another 50 injured. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, AP
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Breaking news around the world now, death and injury toll still only estimated at the moment. Only just started the article so help with expanding most welcome: need background, attack, response and aftermath sections ideally. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Article is a stub and needs major expansion. Would support on significance due to the high number of deaths and injuries. Weak support Article's not as long as I'd like it to be for something of this magnitude, but it's good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose currently Article is one paragraph, needs major expansion and if that happens I’ll change my vote to support. 27.96.223.193 (talk) 08:06, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support I’d like to change my vote to support thanks. 27.96.223.193 (talk) 12:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Seems to be a routine incident for Haiti and so WP:NEWSEVENT applies. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:41, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose article is a stub. Scuba 14:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
  Support Issues with the article have been fixed, no longer a stub and well cited. Quick glance at media coverage and the event looks significant enough. Also it's been a while since ITN updated the situation in Haiti. Scuba 00:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Stub, and this does “[seem] to be a routine incident”. 64.114 etc 15:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Andrew, Scuba and 64. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:181F:B893:ADD2:6921 (talk)
• Also oppose per 2604. 2605:8D80:401:9041:BC0A:88E5:52B2:275 (talk) 15:28, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose article is a stub and is only around 150 words long, far too short for a blurb. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

  Support per the discussion. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Update No longer a stub, thank you to those who expanded the article. As to those who say this is "routine" (if a town-wide gang attack can ever be that); the gang warfare centers around Port-au-Prince and Cap Haitien not remote smaller towns, this is definitely outside the norm. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:05, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Sardonic comment: sorry, come back if a white person dies, otherwise not hittin' WP:MINIMUMDEATHS here. (Advice for those outside the Global North "wanting" to "make it onto" ITN: [12]) Hmm, Helene got deaths-blurbed when its tally hit the century mark—though to be fair it already was blurbed as a Major Storm. I wonder where the line is for that, maybe Category 3, the NHC's for "major hurricane" vs just "hurricane"? "Fun" thought exercise how many people would a Cat 2 storm have to kill in Haiti, to get on ITN, if it didn't affect anywhere else? (Stick a pin in this comment, for next weekish when then-likely-Trop Storm Kirk warp-5s over to W Europe, and how ITN reacts towards that, to contrast.) --Slowking Man (talk) 21:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait/Lean Support Article still need a bit more work, but given the causalities and based on the international reaction I'm leaning towards support. Kcmastrpc (talk) 19:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality per above - while not a stub, article is still far too short. Support on notability - even with the ongoing crisis, a gang shooting that kills upwards of 70 people is anything but "routine." The Kip ^(contribs) 19:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Event in the news, endorse (conditional on quality as usual). Bitter regretful observation: people might want to keep eye on (T·E·H·L·R) Haitian Civil War for if/when it gets turned to an article. --Slowking Man (talk) 21:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, I would have to agree with Slowking Man's and note the blasé attitudes towards this event by some individuals reflecting trends that have been documented among media portrayals of certain communities. Clearly a significant event. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

  Highlighting this particular incident still wouldn't give the big picture. The list of ongoing armed conflicts indicates that this is just a drop in the ocean. The gang wars in Mexico generate more deaths than the gangs in Haiti and then there are other major wars too. If you want to right great wrongs, then you have your work cut out for you. Our job as an encyclopedia is to summarise all this, not to dwell on the detail. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

  The larger issue is that WP is not a newspaper, and not every single event needs an article or a separate article. This specific event looks like part of the ongoing violence in Haiti and while it was noted in the day-to-day media, likely will not have any substantive difference from all the other violence in Haiti that necessitates a separate article, much less being ITN. Masem (t) 13:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

  I think here is a larger point some of us are kind of working towards: Okay, now, take a view like those expressed in the replies preceding mine, and apply to other subjects and kinds of events. Do we really need to mention every cyclone that kills a bunch of people and give it its own article? What about floods in Europe or China or India or insert place here? Heat waves? Storms happen, people die, big deal, people die all the time. Put it in some kinda "storms in $YEAR" article. ("Don't let $PERSON's death get you down. People die all the time. Why, you could wake up dead tomorrow. ...Well. goodnight!") Philosophical/rhetorical query: What is it that makes "big storms and their effects" more intrinsically ITN-worthy vs "humans directly killing other humans in $PLACE"?

  Fun exercise: reflect on this given that us cranking up our planet's temperature is inevitably going to lead to much more of this stuff. What's gonna be the response when three/four-digit death tolls from cyclones become a routine annual event? (Excerpts from Future Wikipedia: "The 2039 tropical storm death season begins in the Northern Hemisphere. Wikipedia reminds those located below 40 degrees north to review their disaster and evacuation planning, stay informed, and promptly follow instructions from relevant authorities.") Not to mention all the inevitable mass migration/conflict/wars likely to result. (More excerpts: "Ongoing events: Current sub-temperate territorial conflicts") Ooh, nice informative & relevant map: pop. density/latitude. --Slowking Man (talk) 18:01, 5 October 2024 (UTC) (Phrase of the day: "shifting baselines" --Slowking Man (talk) 18:04, 5 October 2024 (UTC))

  Replying to own comment to note that "floods in part of Europe" has been apparently just posted to ITN. (Bonus points: from a non-English-as-first-lang part!) Compare-and-contrast current death toll. More data points for calibration of WP:MINIMUMDEATHS? ("Storms and floods happen, people die...") --Slowking Man (talk) 19:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support The flood stub and this stub are about the same size (by any name). I didn't think the flood one would make it. Now that it has and with this event rarer and deadlier, holding it down would definitely appear to suggest what it looks like about our standards and practices. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:22, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

  InedibleHulk, you would know (or at least should know) that we do not post stubs. The 2024 Bosnia and Herzegovina floods article wasn't a stub (any longer) when I posted it. Neither is this article a stub any longer. Whilst those assessments are not an exact science, I note that they no longer have stub tags, and on the talk pages, they are both rated start class; I agree with those ratings. Hence, the basic premise from which you start your argument (if we post the other stub, we might as well post this stub, too) is wrong.

  Blurbs get posted when there is at least rough consensus to do so. To my mind, this article is good enough now. It cannot get posted, though, because that's not what the consensus says. There are many comments above that the topic is notable but the article (at the time of voting) was a stub. That's now changed, but editors need to say so. Schwede66 03:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  I thought adding "(by any name)" would be enough (sorry). Whatever we call this short article or that brief overview, you posted the latter after two supports. Given the expansion and de facto "Wait !votes", I now count more than two supportive of publicizing this attack (including your own) and know some admins who'd rightly discount a few of those opposes as poor arguments; if any of them are watching, I suggest posting sooner than later. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:23, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• Needs attention If those who opposed on quality can please have a look again if the current quality is enough now to change your votes given the article has been majorly expanded. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Abcmaxx: Am I to understand your prior Update and Needs attention emboldenings as support in itself? If so, I think you'll need to embolden the word "Support" for it to technically count toward "consensus". At least that's what I've gathered from editors need to say so. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:54, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm the nominator though. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:12, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Good point, my bad; @PrinceofPunjab: You're not, are you? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Scu ba: I missed your name in the SEAOFNUMBERS; would you care to start again? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:42, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  @InedibleHulk: Thanks! Changed my vote. Scuba 00:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  @TDKR Chicago 101: I have no idea how I missed you starting first, but that's no excuse; have things changed? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support. Still quite short, but this attack seems pretty noteworthy, even in the context of the larger gang war (which I still believe has been underrepresented here at ITN), so I think the article state is good enough. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• @Schwede66: is consensus strong enough now for posting? Abcmaxx (talk) 09:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is no longer a stub at 2264 characters. It appears well-cited. Ready to post. Thriley (talk) 17:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 19:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Typhoon Krathon

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Typhoon Krathon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Krathon leaves at least 18 people dead in the Philippines and Taiwan. (Post)
News source(s): Barrons, Inquirer, France 24, AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by HurricaneEdgar (talk · give credit)

The storm death toll has risen to 18, and the articles are in good shape. HurricaneEdgar 19:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Looking at the scope of deaths, inuries and damages, this doesn't seem like as significant storm compared to other major typhoons. -Masem (t) 19:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is in good shape, and the Typhoon has made landfall and caused significant casualties which checks both boxes for ITN inclusion in my book Scuba 20:27, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support: article looks good, and the event is notable. I don't see that NEWSEVENT is an issue here: major storms which cause significant loss of life generally meet GNG, and that guideline has Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources: that seems to be met here. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 21:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Very notable disaster. Though death toll not significant, the destruction is. High Admiral JMT (talk) 23:09, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, not significant, low casualties, low damage, spent most of it's time over the sea. Stephen 04:46, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Stephen. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose has Low damages and casualties. TyphoonAmpil ^{[citation needed]} 04:26, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support: This typhoon has broken the observation record in Taiwan according to the local news.[13][14][15]--Sinsyuan✍️🌏🚀 06:07, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support This has a death toll that’s similar the death toll of the floods in Bosnia, so it seems notable enough for a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 12:22, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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(Ready?) British Indian Ocean Territory / Chagos Archipelago sovereignty dispute

Articles: British Indian Ocean Territory (talk · history · tag) and Chagos Archipelago sovereignty dispute (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Kingdom agrees to cede sovereignty of the British Indian Ocean Territory to Mauritius (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The United Kingdom agrees to cede sovereignty of the British Indian Ocean Territory to Mauritius
Alternative blurb II: ​ The United Kingdom agrees to cede sovereignty of the British Indian Ocean Territory to Mauritius in exchange for the territory being leased back to the UK for the initial period of 99 years.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In conformity with international law, the United Kingdom completes the decolonisation of Mauritius through a bilateral treaty between both countries
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Chipmunkdavis (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ornithoptera (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

CMD (talk) 10:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for Significance and Oppose on Quality "The deal is still subject to finalisation of a treaty but both sides have vowed to complete this as quickly as possible." Now, I know times move faster than they did when some natives treated and vowed with the Crown. But still, even if it doesn't take centuries this time, it could be months or years before anything comes of this. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

  Agree the transfer itself would be newsworthy, but I nominated feeling the reaching of an agreement was significant in its own right. It follows about a decade of concerted diplomatic efforts by Mauritius. The ceding of territory is a rare enough event. The last was probably the 2016 agreement for Egypt to transfer two islands to Saudi Arabia? CMD (talk) 11:14, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, I hear you. As you say, though, this next step follows about a decade. The ceding itself will happen if it happens, and that's final (to me). InedibleHulk (talk) 11:18, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Major power is ceding a large part of its territory to another country, very big news. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support: This is quite a surprising move from Britain after blocking the transfer of sovereignty for so long, however there are some details that need clarification such as when will the transfer come into effect. Tofusaurus (talk) 11:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait or at least alter "agrees" to "offers". This will only happen if Mauritius agrees to a treaty that allows the status quo indefinitely, more or less, on Diego Garcia. That may be objectionable to Mauritius, and they may refuse to sign off.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

  For what it's worth this was reportedly a joint statement also issued by the Mauritian PM, they're presumably as on-board as the UK. CMD (talk) 14:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

  (Based on the report) this wasn't a unilateral offer by the UK. It's the high level agreement after negotiation with the agreement of all parties (UK, Mauritius & USA). The 99 years lease would had been agreed to as a term by Mauritius. -- KTC (talk) 17:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait and Support: Definitely major. However, plans have not yet been finalized. High Admiral JMT (talk) 12:51, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• The updates to the article were reverted; the only remaining relevant change is the removal of a statement that negotiations were halted in December 2023. We can't possibly post this until that's resolved. —Cryptic 13:18, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

  There's a piece in the lead now (as of 13:45); not sure if that counts. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support This is a textbook example of a notable story of high encyclopaedic value.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:37, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on significance This is a major change to the map. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:38, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support a major international news and is blurbworthy and should be posted when articles are updated. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support once fully cited: not sure we need to wait for it to actually happen; the decision is noteworthy enough. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now due to quality issues with the article and lack of significant updates to it, but I do Support on significance once those are resolved ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support once citation issues are cleared up Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:51, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support resolution of a long-standing diplomatic issue, proposing ALT blurb to link to the Chagos Archipelago sovereignty dispute. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• I’d rather wait until the treaty is finalized. Since there seems to be a lot of support for posting this, I’d prefer the alt blurb if this is posted. I’d say that highlighting the Chagos Archipelago sovereignty dispute would be the most important aspect of a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Pretty historic momement for the people of those islands and it's also a notable international news story in general. GWA88 (talk) 18:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support ­­­– I would say "to return sovereignty ..." STSC (talk) 18:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

  Mauritius was never sovereign when they administered Chagos Scuba 19:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

  Would "transfer sovereignty" be a more neutral wording? Ornithoptera (talk) 20:37, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm fine with "ceding sovereignty" because that's what most publications are saying. Scuba 19:17, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support goodbye British Indian Ocean Territory, one of the few remaining English colonies. Scuba 19:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

  There are no English colonies remaining, England as an independent polity was dissolved in 1707. The Indian Ocean Territory is also classified as a territory rather than a colony (the legal status of 'colony' was dissolved in 1982). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:38, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

  Awesome, saying it "totally isn't a colony" doesn't magically make it stop being a colony. Also the Scottish Welsh and Irish weren't the ones making the colonies, the English where. Scuba 19:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

  Y Wladfa and Darien scheme might make for interesting reading; and plenty of Scots (especially) were involved in British colonial projects after the union. None of which is to deny the poor treatment of the Scots, Irish, and Welsh by the English within the Union - but do get your facts right. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yup you're so right, the sole Scottish colony (that failed), and an group of welsh immigrants are totally the same as to what the English did around the world. Scuba 16:04, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  See John A. Macdonald#Colonial leader, 1858–1864 for a more "succesful" campaign. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  This isn't an accurate assessment of British colonial history. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:27, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support on significance but wait until the orange tag on the target article is fixed. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 20:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Very significant news, but best to wait until all plans are finalised per above. Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support noting the ceding of a remnant of the Old Empire. SerialNumber54129 23:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
• Tentative support but Wait until it is fully agreed upon and completed. --Masem (t) 00:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• oppose this is pure fluff, nothing changes. Formal sovereignty replaced with a 99-year-long lease. Does anyone really expect we'd still have nation states with borders like the uk, the mauritus or indeed the US (that is the actual primary user of that military base which is at the source of whole dispute) come 2123? lol. Kasperquickly (talk) 06:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

The 99-year lease applies to the base on Diego Garcia; the transfer of sovereignty applies to the entire territory, and Mauritius has indicated that they'd support resettling Chagossians on the other islands of the archipelago. And the rest of your comment convinces me that you are not bringing a serious understanding of international relations to bear here. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:22, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support on significance as this is a pretty big moment in decolonisation of the UK's remaining territories. Article still needs work though. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:40, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait and support once the treaty is fully finalized. Major significance, new change in the map. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 11:29, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on significance but wait both for better article quality, or potentially even an article on the transfer itself. –DMartin 15:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• support it already mauritius sovereignty now. obviously administrative change will not happen so quick, but legally done.Sportsnut24 (talk) 15:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment ALT2 is incorrect, and implies that the UK retains control of the entirety of the Archipelago rather than the lease on Diego Garcia. Ornithoptera (talk) 18:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Significant moment geopolitically. Lean waiting until the treaty is formalized, however. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Regarding quality issues raised above, the History section has been changed significantly, and I believe the yellow tag is no longer applicable. CMD (talk) 06:27, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - I don't agree to the wording "to cede sovereignty" in the blurbs. It implies that the UK was the rightful owner and they were forced to do so. Many sources including BBC use the words "hand over". STSC (talk) 07:40, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  These seem functionally synonymous. "cede" means to give up, it doesn't imply legitimacy either way. At any rate, the UK was effectively forced to turn over the territory, so that implication if read is accurate. CMD (talk) 09:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Wikipedia has its own neutrality standard; IMO, "hand over" does sound more neutral than "cede". STSC (talk) 04:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  Not sure how any neutrality standard is affected by this. CMD (talk) 05:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  I disagree, you don't have to be forced to cede something. Scuba 16:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Maybe unwillingly. STSC (talk) 04:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait as per WP:TOOSOON. The treaty hasn't been signed or ratified yet. The UK could still pull out and retain the BIOT. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:27, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. A major country giving part of its territory to another country is highly significant and notable. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait/Oppose. Noteworthy enough, but I agree with the contingent here in belief that the best course of action would be to wait for official ratification of the agreement, or, even better, the actual date of the hand-over to post. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on significance Would support posting twice, once now and once when the handover is official. Territorial cessions like this are quite rare are the exact kind of news that we ought to feature at ITN. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support – Major development in decolonization and an end to a decades-long territorial dispute. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 22:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• I note that both target articles are orange-tagged. The British Indian Ocean Territory seems like the easier one to untag. Would somebody like to have a go? Schwede66 08:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Mauritian here. Why not use the terminology used by the courts and the foreign offices of both countries and by insisting on why it is considered a watershed moment in international rule of law?. "In conformity with international law, the United Kingdom completes the decolonisation of Mauritius through a bilateral treaty between both nations"Varoon2542 (talk) 21:30, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Varoon2542, we should not worry about the hook wording in the first instance. This item is about to drop off this page without getting posted because both target articles are orange-tagged. If you'd like to see this posted, I suggest you put some immediate effort into the issues that caused those tags. When done, say so here and then we can finesse the hook wording. Schwede66 08:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  The orange tag issues for the BIOT article were fixed days ago. CMD (talk) 13:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Very significant geopolitical moment; land cessations of this kind are increasingly uncommon in the 21st century. This is notable now, and it may not be in the news anymore when the symbolic 'finalization' occurs later on. Flip^andFlopped ツ 21:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Big news. Anyone know what will happen to the .io domain? Will it disappear? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

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