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Year (or even better, date?) for Kasparov vs. the World? --MichaelTinkler.

The year was 1999, but the game lasted for months. I guess it could be dated by the opening ceremony on one end and the publication of the World Team's resignation on the other. --Karl Juhnke

Cleanup

The account of Krushes role in the Kasparov vs. the world match contains a lot of subjective phrases. It doesn't read very much like an encyclopedia. Zargulon 15:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it makes it sound like she played against Kasparov and gave him a good run for it, when in reality it was very much a group effort Pubuman 18:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to make it more encyclopedic. I still feel that it is dominated by Kasparov vs the World. Zargulon 19:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Four paragraphs is way too much for one game! Pawnkingthree (talk) 10:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed they were. Besides, the ref behind the mention of her "husband" links to an article that mentions Charbonneau as her boyfriend. --Gereon K. (talk) 12:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes they have apparantly married recently but I can't find confirmation anywhere.Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage

An anonymous poster changed her status to married. Shouldn't that have a reference? I can't find a source for that on the net... --Gereon K. (talk) 08:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://paulhoffman.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/the-knightmare-continues/ --Gereon K. (talk) 18:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Has she had previous marriages before this? I think that should be included if she has. 71.248.176.157 (talk) 15:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I meant: changed her status from unmarried to married. There is no indication however for a previous marriage. --Gereon K. (talk) 16:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WGM after IM?

The FIDE site has an application for a WGM title from 2002 [1]. Since she got the men's IM title in the year 2000 I wonder whether this makes any sense. The norms for her IM in 2000 would have been more than enough for the WGM title, so why did she not become WGM in the late 1990s? --Gereon K. (talk) 15:30, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Images

We need better pictures of Miss Krush for this article. How do we go about doing that? OGBranniff (talk) 07:46, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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irina IS the 1st north american female grandmaster (while in an NA country so excluding susan polgar)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_chess_grandmasters#Grandmasters

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Irina_Krush&oldid=prev&diff=1116552092 Thewriter006 (talk) 07:04, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with your edit is that it makes a false claim. When Wikipedia includes the text "She is the first woman, and as of August 2022 the only woman, to earn the GM title while playing for the United States and for any country in North America.<ref name="New York Times">{{cite news |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/sports/chess-coronavirus-irina-krush.html |title=A Chess Prodigy's Return to Health Brings Cheer to the Game |work=[[The New York Times]] |first=David |last=Waldstein |date=May 27, 2020 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200527071036/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/sports/chess-coronavirus-irina-krush.html |archive-date=May 27, 2020}}</ref>{{efn|[[Susan Polgar]], affiliated to the U.S. federation 2002-2019, became a Grandmaster in 1991 while affiliated with the Hungarian federation.}} Krush is an eight-time [[U.S. Women's Chess Championship|U.S. Women's Champion]].", two claims are being made. 1) Krush is the first and only woman to earn the GM title while representing a country in North America, and 2) the given NYT cite contains that claim. Since the NYT cite does not say anything about North America (correct me if I'm wrong about that), the second part of the claim is false which makes the whole also false. Ironically if there had been no source cited the claim would likely not be false, although it would need one or more citations.

In my opinion it is very dangerous and bad to add claims to a sentence that purport to be supported by a citation when they are not. That is making a false claim about the citation. One way to fix this would be to move the citation so that it covers only the claim that it actually states, e.g. "She is the first woman, and as of August 2022 the only woman, to earn the GM title while playing for the United States<ref name="New York Times">{{cite news |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/sports/chess-coronavirus-irina-krush.html |title=A Chess Prodigy's Return to Health Brings Cheer to the Game |work=[[The New York Times]] |first=David |last=Waldstein |date=May 27, 2020 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200527071036/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/sports/chess-coronavirus-irina-krush.html |archive-date=May 27, 2020}}</ref>{{efn|[[Susan Polgar]], affiliated to the U.S. federation 2002-2019, became a Grandmaster in 1991 while affiliated with the Hungarian federation.}} Krush is an eight-time [[U.S. Women's Chess Championship|U.S. Women's Champion]] and for any country in North America."

If this were done, Wikipedia would not be making a false claim about what the NYT article says, but the claim about North America would still need a cite. If no citation is readily available, I'd just drop it. This is just my personal opinion, but I don't care about NA as a chess region. As far as I'm aware, there aren't any significant chess championships for North America. It isn't even clear why you would limit to just North America, I think the statement is also true for the Americas as a whole including South America. I think this is a reaction to someone noting in a different chess bio that being first in Europe automatically is first in any individual European country. I didn't pay much attention to that so I don't have an opinion there, but here I think you can't misrepresent what the NYT article says. Also, if these claims are not found directly in reliable sources then I think this is trending into WP:OR territory. Quale (talk) 14:09, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]