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Stairwell A was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 15 December 2012 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Collapse of the World Trade Center. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.
The fact that the South Tower was hit lower does NOT mean there was double the pressure on the columns. You can verify this by comparing the strains in NCSTAR 1-6D fug 4-72 with 121 Abdullah Ali 4z5 (talk) 02:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that we should remove the dubious tag. But also change "double" to simply "more". The source (NYT) reads "Ultimately, it was the combination of structural damage and the fires, fueled by thousands of gallons of jet fuel, that brought the buildings down. The south tower was also hit at a lower point, meaning there was more weight bearing down on the damaged floors." Thomas B (talk) 13:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be fine with that change.
Abdullah Ali 4z5, I reverted your most recent change for several reasons:
1. Changing "46 minutes later" to "70% longer" is not helpful for the average reader.
2. The changes read more like a school essay than an encyclopedic entry
3. Removing the NYT article in favor of the NIST report, when we generally prefer secondary sources.
I have implemented the change ("double" -> "more") and removed the dubious tag (since that doesn't seem doubtful, based on the source). What blatant falsehood remains? Thomas B (talk) 16:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's a blatant falsehood that the greater weight above impact contributed to the collaose. That is because the size of the columns also scales with their load. Indeed, because of this, the lower impact actually reduced the impact damage. Abdullah Ali 4z5 (talk) 03:34, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not a blatant falsehood. Perhaps it's an oversimplification. In an intact building, the load per unit area of supporting structure would be more or less consistent (factoring in differing steel grades and allowable loads) as you assert. That would not necessarily be the case for an impaired structure. You're making a lot of assumptions concerning redistribution of forces in a compromised structure. However, I would prefer the detailed NIST analysis over the Times as a basis for any assertions concerning structural engineering and failure modes. Acroterion(talk)04:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Like the September 11 attacks article, the previous photo which had been used from 2008–2023 was suddenly changed and a Infobox added without any discussion. I don't believe we need a picture of the actual collapse taking place as the previous photo illustrates that one tower had collapsed. I would like to get editors HandThatFeeds and Butterscotch5 involved and hear there opinions since they made great points on the September 11 talk page. Cena332 (talk) 22:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
