Talk:Hūsker Dū?

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In violation of what is usually "good ..." or "regular order", i've placed this "meta-section" above all the older sections, since its applicability extends to all the sections that predate it (and in a sense to any newer sections that may be added below the following existing sections). But do as i say, not as i this time do: position your new sections, subsections, initial messages on a topic, and responses to previous messages (to any level of responses to responses) below the most recent same-level or (superordinate units).
--Jerzy•t 07:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
   The accompanying article (Hūsker Dū?) is fairly chaotic, and this talk page is even worse. I intend to reorganize the talk page (guided by its edit-history page) so that the potentially important information that may be here is more clear and accessible.
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--Jerzy•t 00:42, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

(Interim section for talk contribs that were contributed above any titled sections)

   (This section will prove too technical to interest many editors. What remains in it is about the talk page rather than the article, and should be useful only if someone seeks to follow the edit history of the talk-page itself in rather deep detail.)
   The contribs that were, relatively briefly, in this section have been subdivided:

•    I've moved the discussion concerning the "punctuation" of (or strictly speaking, the use of diacritics in) the game's name into a new section, Diacritics, which includes most but not all of the material originally in the then-untitled first top-level section.
•    The new section, Diacritics, begins with material that need not be nested in lower-level sections: specifically, everything that was originally contributed in that nameless talk section, and did not concern the use of diacritical marks in either the title of the accompanying article, or mentions by (actual or supposed) name of the game.
•    The named subsections follow:
  •    That new section also incorporates all the content of former top-level section Macrons, Umlauts and Scandinavian Languages as a second-level [or sub-] section, now subordinate to the "(Diacritics)" section becomes the first titled sub-section.
  •    Similarly, the section Article title (preserving its former addressability), becomes the second titled sub-section.
•    The top-level section "("Memory" game)" now accommodates the only material contributed in the unnamed top-level section which, as it happens, is unrelated to the concerns about diacritical marks.
  --Jerzy•t 07:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
  

(Diacritics)

I have assembled the contribs between the start of this section, "(Diacritics)", and the start of its first named subsection ("Article title"), simply by rearranging contribs that neither established a named section, nor were added to a pre-existing named section, "back" (as it were) into chronological order going down the page. (While i made no effort to confirm it, i had the impression that most of these contribs were added either at the top or bottom of the untitled section, probably according to the respective contributors' expectations about whether most readers read only the top entry -- as long as neither it or the next turns out to be new to them), or scan dates or content to see where new entries begin, and start reading there. The first and completely title-free section had some dialogs that seemed attested to by indentation increasing a level or two from the contrib above them on the page, and i probably consistently preserved those indentation patterns, while simply moving into chronological order contribs that didn't strike me as showing responsiveness to a spatially adjacent contrib. At this point i've focused long enuf on this talk page that i'm likely to be sloppy; additional eyes willing to look at the edit history are probably the best prospect for catching any interrelationships that i've made less apparent than they might have been.
--Jerzy•t 07:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I feel like I should defend my change, but I don't know where. Is here appropriate?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.93.98.56 (talk) 16:26, 19 June 2004

   The edit history of the accompanying article shows that the aforesaid change by above IP colleague took place a minute earlier. It removed an assertion that the use of the macrons is at odds with Scandinavian practice, and replaced it with an assertion that such use "emulate[s]" a Scandinavian convention in handwritten lower-case text, namely the convention of writing a macron over u (but not v), lest macron-less u be mistaken for v. (More precisely, i assume they primarily mean avoiding seeing v where u was intended. But arguably knowing the writer uses the u-macron serves to reassure a reader that a u-ish-looking v is a real v, on grounds that that writer who meant u would have written the macron.)

--Jerzy•t 04:58, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

   And for the record, yes, on this page (but specifically, under a descriptive heading, which could have been e.g. "Defense of my change"). (The parentheses i put around my more specific description "Diacritics" are intended to indicate that that word was not the choice of the editor who wrote the first contrib in what has now become a section, but rather that of a busy-body: someone willing to fill the breach left by the first contributor, with their own opinion about what describes the other's concern.)
--Jerzy•t 07:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

The text of the article can create confusion about the Scandinavian languages. I have written a "Notes" section to try to explain, but perhaps someone should write a better explanation. Meanwhile, here are the facts:

• "Husker du?" (with normal "u"'s, not "ü"'s) is Norwegian, not Swedish, and means "Do you remember?". Swedish would be "minns du?" or "kommer du ihåg?".
• "Hüsker dü?" doesn't mean anything in any language. In fact, no Scandinavian language uses "ü", they use "y" instead.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.167.132.66 (talk) 14:15, 7 February 2005

I'm removing the umlauts. The only spelling that should have those umlauts is that of the band.
--Thorns Among Our Leaves 04:15, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh, silly me. They were macrons. -idiot.- Nevermind.
--Thorns Among Our Leaves 04:18, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The text says that macrons aren't used in any Scandinavian language. That's not entirely true. It is commonplace to use macrons over the letter u when writing by hand if you are born in the 50's or earlier, some people are even starting to use them today. This is done to be able to more clearly distinguish them from v's in handwriting. So the text inside the parentheses might need to be removed or changed. However, when talking about typed letters (ie. letters made by machine) then it is indeed true that macrons are not used in Scandinavia.
Jonmagne 17:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Husker du? is also Danish and not only Norwegian ;) Danish and Norwegian also have a version similar to the Swedish "minns du?" (Danish: mindes du?) and a version of "kommer du ihåg?" (Danish: Kommer du ihu?) - just to be pedantic ;)
80.167.218.195 07:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Article title

Why isn't this simply Hūsker Dū? ?
- JasonAQuest (talk) 02:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

   Several days later the same editor performed a rename whose "edit summary", which was presumably partly (before the colon) system-generated, and partly provided by the editor filling in the blank on the rename/move page), reads

moved Hūsker Dū? (game) to Hūsker Dū?: disambig not needed.

--Jerzy•t 02:50, 29 & 07:22 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Macrons, Umlauts and Scandinavian Languages

FWIW, handwritten Swedish actually draws a straight line across the vowels that would in print have the umlaut.
Bo-Lingua (talk) 15:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, yes... but we don't have umlauts over u.
--83.188.226.172 (talk) 13:15, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

But the name isn't spelled with macrons to lend it an "exotic feel." It's spelled that way so children will pronounce it correctly. American children are taught that a macron indicates a long vowel. Without such an indicator, the natural English pronunciation would be "husk" + "er".
--129.33.1.37 (talk) 14:54, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

That has always been my own understanding. The macrons have nothing to do with engendering a Scandinavian "feel", but rather are there to tip English speakers off to the pronunciation of the vowels in these Scandinavian words. I won't add this to the article until I get a citation for it. But I'll remove the current (uncited and, I think, wrong) explanatory phrase.
TypoBoy (talk) 16:35, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

The vowel in "husk" should be short though, "husk" + "er" is a good approximation of the pronunciation actually. I'm a swede, and I also work on polynesian languages where a macron does indeed indicate length.

("Memory" game)

I believe this game has been overtaken in popularity by the very similar game "Memory."
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 22:39, 7 November 2006 (talk • contribs) 63.254.42.35

Game history

The game isn't Scandinavian at all, and it wasn't published in the 1950s. It was invented by a Denver area man named Phil Jackson, who went into partnership with my father to manufacture the game in the mid-1960s. Mr. Jackson's original version was called "Memory Exerciser" and had a yellow and brown color scheme, but the with same rotating cardboard wheel and pictures.

I was present when the new name was chosen from among several possibilities. The Danish was chosen to make the game seem "international," and the instructions on the box were given in several languages.

Husker Du? was manufactured by my father's company, Regina Products, in Boulder, Colo., until he and Jackson sold the rights to Products International Company (Picam), who were the ones who ran the subliminally-suggestive ad.

I'll edit the entry with this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moosenose (talk • contribs) 11:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Not intensively enuf edited to say "currently"!

   The edit that added "currently" was from 2012 August. I've replaced that going-on-2-years out of date info with the appropriate {{asof}} template.
--Jerzy•t 08:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC)