Talk:Liturgy

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The Catholic Encyclopedia is in the public domain, and a lot of information should be imported from there. dab (ᛏ) 08:44, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Richly yet responsatorily dimensional?

I nuked this sentence:

"They are constructed upon the responsatory rhythms established by God's own speaking and doing as seen throughout the Bible, simple yet richly and dimensionally profound."

for POV. There may be a NPOV way of phrasing it, but I'm having a hard time with that. SFT | Talk 03:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Add external website?

I think the external links of this page can be improved. The Quaker link is to a non-liturgical site. The Jewish Encyclopedia is from over a century ago. The Catholic Encyclopedia link is also from 1908 and hence has no concept of the major liturgical changes that have taken place during the last century - including Vatican II and the significant changes within the Roman Catholic Church. I would, hence, submit the website Liturgy website for consideration as an external link. It includes Celebrating Eucharist which, to my knowledge, is the only contemporary online "ceremonial guide" - a liturgical guide and explanation to contemporary theory and practice in Anglican, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, and other liturgies. --Alcuinz 05:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As there has been no disagreement with the above statement in over a week, I am adding the website in the article. --Alcuinz 05:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quaker Worship

Even unprogrammed Quaker worship has some form and it is guided by the Elders, who usually indicate the close of the Meeting for Worship by shaking hands. Meetings for worship for business, for marriage and funerals may have a pre-agreed form and are, hopefully carried out under God's guidance, becoming liturgy. The WP article: Religous Society of Friends/Programmed Worship indicates the diversity of Quaker Worship. Perhaps the Liturgy article could indicate that this diversity exists, as there are signficantly more Programmed Friends than Unprogrammed.

---Vernon White 18:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

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BC & Jewish synagogues

The abbreviation "BC" seems inappropriate, to some degree, here. BCE (Before common era) may be better, but I've changed it to "pre-christian," since the topic is clearly about a Christian topic. Oops, should I capitalize it like this: "pre-Christian"? On another, related note, is there another type of synagogue besides the Jewish ones? "Jewish synagogue" just seems redundant to me, at least in common usage it would. Rather like "Jewish rabbi"... Drkeithphd 17:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Missing the point

This whole article is highly misleading and misses the point: liturgy means "the work of the people" and should be defined with reference to a particular form of worship. Just because people have a set way of doing things does not correspond to "liturgy". In other words "liturgy" isn't the same as "ritual." Its what the community believes is achieved by the rite it engages in that sets a liturgical community off against a non-liturgical ritual. This article needs a lot of help! Hyper3 (talk) 20:29, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Satanism

Needs inclusion Religious diversity ILOVESATAN666 (talk) 20:18, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Adding an extreme minority to this particular article would misrepresent it as having similar or equal status and would therefore be inappropriate. It is clearly not on the same level as Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, or Judaism. Rklawton (talk) 21:34, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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What is the purpose of this article?

Currently this article summarizes liturgical practice in a few major world religions. Is this really the main purpose of this article, given that there are links to tradition-specific articles? I came to this article looking for a discussion of how the term "liturgy" is used in different contexts. Should this article discuss "liturgy" as an ecclesiastical concept? As an anthropological concept? Or should I have simply been looking in a dictionary instead of Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.79.206.158 (talk) 22:27, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"It forms a basis for establishing a relationship with a divine agency"

The introduction includes the phrase "It forms a basis for establishing a relationship with a divine agency". This sounds more like something out of a fantasy book than real life to me. Not only is it vague, but it is at best disputed whether establishing such a relationship is possible at all, for the reasons that it hasn't been proven to exist, and that deities haven't either, as well as the fact that religions and their denominations do not wholly agree on such matters.

I don't know what's right for this article, but these days some Religious Studies scholars are comfortable talking about relationships with entities that may not exist. So to me that phrase doesn't assume that the divine is ontologically real. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.79.206.158 (talk) 17:37, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Other religions?

This article has some promise, but only addresses Liturgy in four of the religious traditions—the Abrahamic Three, plus Buddhism. It leaves out huge swaths of the world's population and traditions—Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Baha'i—to name the major ones.

These are major omissions; the article needs to include these as well.Devadaru (talk) 14:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

maintaining NPOV

Is there consensus that this article shouldn't take sides?

I removed a biased statement from lead that is not supported by the source and is not mentioned in the article body. Unless I'm missing something (very possible), this seems cut and dry, no? Mikewem (talk) 14:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]