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November 12

Portal:Current events/2024 November 12

November 12, 2024 (2024-11-12) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal Qatar withdraws from ceasefire talks between Hamas and Israel as mediator due to "a refusal to negotiate a deal in good faith" from Hamas and Israel. (CNN) (AP) (The Guardian) Somali Civil War Al-Shabaab militants ambush and kill two South West State soldiers on motorcycle on the highway between Wanlaweyn and Afgoye in Lower Shabelle, Somalia. (Hiiraan Online) Law and crime Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse A U.S. jury awards $42 million to three former detainees of the Abu Ghraib prison, thereby holding Virgina-based military contractor CACI liable for their role in the torture and mistreatment of these detainees. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 Mauritian general election Pravind Jugnauth resigns as Prime Minister of Mauritius following his party's defeat at the general election. (Reuters) Arts and culture Anglican Communion sexual abuse cases Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury and the symbolic head of the Anglican Communion, resigns over his handling of barrister John Smyth's sex abuse scandal. (NPR) (AP)

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RD: Vardis Vardinogiannis

Article: Vardis Vardinogiannis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News, ABC News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:8587:A6EF:467D:AEA4 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Greek business magnate. 240F:7A:6253:1:8587:A6EF:467D:AEA4 (talk) 15:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Justin Welby resigns

Article: Justin Welby (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns after covering up an abuse scandal in the Church of England. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns following criticism of his handling of an abuse scandal in the Church of England.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Baldwin de Toeni (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 Mjroots (talk) 14:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

wait? I don't know the terms that may be being used, but I think we could wait until Welby's successor is named to post it. Being the most important ecclesiastical figure (after British monarch) of an important worldwide branch of Christianism, I do consider this change ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

We don't need to wait. Welby's resignation is the story. Mjroots (talk) 14:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

The reason for the resignation is important. In this case, I prefer to blurb the resignation, not the successor. Grimes2 (talk) 14:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

It will take weeks, if not months, to name a successor anyway. Agree that the story is the resignation itself. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 15:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Please don't associate the Anglican church with the Catholic church. Scuba 15:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

an important branch of Catholicism The Church of England is rather famously *not* a branch of Catholicism. AusLondonder (talk) 16:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

that's what I'm saying. Scuba 16:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm replying to Alsoriano97. AusLondonder (talk) 16:27, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

totally right, I was talking about Christianity, not Catholicism. My bad. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

np, sorry for the confusion. Scuba 16:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Article ok. Grimes2 (talk) 15:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft Oppose with only 26 million baptized, and of that only 5.5 million practicing members as of 2010, the Anglican church isn't a major world player in global religions. When the United Methodist Church with it's 5.9 million practicing members repealed bans on LGBTQ clergy and same-sex marriage we didn't include that in ITN, so why would we include the Anglican leadership change? Scuba 16:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Strongly disagree. I think your numbers are for the Church of England specifically. The worldwide Anglican Communion has about 85 million practitioners, making it the third largest Christian denomination (communion) after the Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodoxy. The bishop of Canterbury is the closest thing to its pope or (even closer analogy) ecumenical patriarch. Also, this is a pretty rare change, he's been in the position for over a decade. We posted his appointment in 2012. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

And: The methodists are a separation from the Church of England. Grimes2 (talk) 16:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Lutherans are a separation from the catholic church, but you wouldn't call them catholic. Scuba 16:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I was unaware of his appointment in 2012, I wasn't editing at the time, but rules and norms change, especially in the decade + since then. Again, there are only 26 million baptized Anglicans, but sure, lets consider the Episcopalians whose entire church is a rejection of the CoE and the Archbishop and the Crown, and other groups like them, as Anglican for some reason to boost that up to 86 million.

There are ~1.3 billion Catholics of ~2.4 billion Christians. That means only 3.58% of Christians (and again that's with bloating their numbers considerably) are Anglican. That simply isn't a large enough congregation. We don't post leadership changes for Methodists, Baptists, or other protestant denominations. Why should we with Anglicans?

Also Archbishop of Canterbury isn't even the top of the Anglican church's leadership, the King is. Scuba 16:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

We in fact did post the leadership change for the largest branch of Mormonism in 2018, which "only" has 17 million adherents. For comparison, the median population of UN member states is around 9 million.

The British monarch is the head of the CoE, not (the rest of) the Anglican Communion. And the Episcopal Church in the US is definitely not a "rejection" of the CoE and the Archbishop of Canterbury — it's in full communion with the CoE and looks at the Archbishop of Canterbury as a figurehead, like the rest of the Anglican Communion does. Episcopalians do reject the Crown as an authority, but once again that only undermines your argument about the King being at the top of the hierarchy. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Mormons aren't Christian and haven't been recognized as such by any mainstream christian group.

The Episocpoalins where literally founded as a rejection of the oaths of loyalty to the crown and CoE, their governing body is the General Convention of the Episcopal Church in the United States of America. Scuba 16:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Whether Mormons are considered Christian or not is actually kinda irrelevant to the argument as far as ITN is concerned; they are a broadly comparable religious body and we posted their change in leadership. And as I said, Episcopalians reject the crown, but they have always been inspired by and in communion with the CoE. The Episcopal Church website talks about Justin Welby extensively. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh I agree, the Mormon president changing shouldn't be included in ITN.

Wrapping all vaguely Anglican churches together as being under the direct administration of the CoE is a backhanded way to bloat CoE numbers. Scuba 17:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

He was the ceremonial head of the worldwide Anglican Communion. Grimes2 (talk) 17:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

The news item is about the Archbishop of Canterbury ultimately. He is relevant to the Anglican Church as well as CoE. So including Anglican membership is relevant. The actual numbers of CoE specifically do not matter. La Ovo (talk) 18:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. The archbishop of Canterbury is the principal head of the Church of England and the leader of the worldwide Anglican church community. Notable religious figure and the circumstances of his resignation is newsworthy as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article seems good enough; there are two {{cn}}s but not about any important claims. I agree with others who say that this meets the significance threshold. He was the ceremonial head of the worldwide Anglican Communion. While the Anglican Communion is not as tightly knit in terms of dogma or organization as, say, the Catholic Church, Anglicanism is one of the main traditional branches of Protestantism and the Communion's 85 million adherents are nothing to scoff at. Welby played an important role in trying to keep the Communion from falling apart due to disagreements over LGBT matters and other issues. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 17:33, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Should "abuse scandal" in the hook be piped as abuse scandal so readers will know what's being referred to? Ericoides (talk) 18:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm happy to leave that to the posting admin's discretion. We could possibly lose the initial "The" too. Mjroots (talk) 18:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:EASTER 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 19:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support The resignation of a politically connected head of a major Christian denomination (and the unofficial head of the third-largest Christian tradition) is a big deal, especially considering that it demonstrates a continued role sexual abuse plays in disrupting upper hierarchies across Christian denominations. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I can't say I know this story inside-out, (or even at all) but covering up sexual abuse is a crime in the UK, so would be something we can't say definitely happened without a confession or conviction. Is this exactly what reliable sources are saying, that he was "covering up an abuse scandal"? Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  John Smyth (barrister) is the article with the details. Secretlondon (talk) 19:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support His resignation is significant for the reasons outlined above, and is being covered in various media as a major news item. In response to the comment above, "covering up" might not be the best phrase. Maybe something like: The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns following criticism of his handling of an abuse scandal in the Church of England. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 18:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  Yes. Please create an altblurb in the template. Grimes2 (talk) 19:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Done. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

"Cover up" is explicitly used in the BBC source used in the nom. Mjroots (talk) 19:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

2024 Zhuhai car attack

Article: 2024 Zhuhai car attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A vehicle-ramming attack kills 35 people in Zhuhai, China (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Zhuhai, China, 35 people are killed after a vehicle-ramming attack
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)

35 people are a lot. I think the article should be expanded a bit. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 12:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Besides the article being far too short to be of quality, this appears to be due to a domestic issue rather than something terrorism-related (the driver was allegedly upset at a divorse ruling that went against him). This is the type of event that is likely not to have long-term enduring coverage and fails NOTNEWS. --Masem (t) 12:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Lean support Article needs work, but once it reaches start class I'm in favor of a blurb. This is all over the news, much more so than the relatively unknown regional terrorist attack that is currently at the top of the fold. Domestic mass murders are still notable, especially in a country where fatalities are unlikely to reach more than a dozen. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Wait and support when article is good enough Arguably a more exceptional event than an attack by a longstanding terror group, which we posted (and should have, to be clear). Bremps... 14:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support I'd argue that this is more significant than an attack by an existing group - those are almost to be expected at this point, and 35 people is an enormous amount for a vehicle attack. Minerman30 (talk) 15:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support on significance if article is not a stub. An unusual event attracting international coverage. Very high number of casualties for an incident of this type. AusLondonder (talk) 16:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle oppose on quality Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 16:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Song Jae-rim

Article: Song Jae-rim (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India, Soompi
Credits:

• Nominated by Royiswariii (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Royiswariii Talk! 11:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

November 11

Portal:Current events/2024 November 11

November 11, 2024 (2024-11-11) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon At least 44 people are killed and 88 more injured during Israeli airstrikes across Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 30 people are killed in Israeli strikes across the Gaza Strip, including at least 20 in the Nuseirat refugee camp. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Mykolaiv strikes, Zaporizhzhia strikes Five people are killed and 18 others, including five children, are injured in Russian air strikes on Mykolaiv and Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. (DW) (Arab News) Disasters and accidents 2024 European floods 2024 Spanish floods Prime Minister of Spain Pedro Sánchez announces an additional €3.76 billion (US$4 billion) aid package to the Valencian Community which was affected by deadly floods in October. (DW) A mud volcano erupts in Turbo, Colombia, forcing the preventative evacuation of 109 households. (El Espectador) International relations 2024 United Nations Climate Change Conference The COP29 climate conference opens in Baku, Azerbaijan. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Zhuhai car attack Thirty-five people are killed and 43 more injured during a vehicle-ramming attack outside a stadium in Zhuhai, Guangdong, China. The perpetrator is in a coma after suffering serious injuries. (BBC News) Haitian crisis Several airlines suspend flights to Haiti after a Spirit Airlines aircraft was hit by gunfire while attempting to land at Toussaint Louverture International Airport in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, and was diverted to Santiago de los Caballeros, Dominican Republic. (BBC News) The International Criminal Court announces an investigation into prosecutor Karim Ahmad Khan over accusations of sexual misconduct previously reported by The Guardian in October. (BBC News) (The Guardian) In Italy, the Carabinieri Art Squad seizes more than 2,100 forged artworks worth more than €200 million (US$215 million) that were intended to be sold at auction houses across Europe and also uncovers two art forgery workshops in Tuscany and Venice. (DW) Politics and elections 2024 Japanese general election Shigeru Ishiba is sworn in as the 103rd prime minister of Japan following the first runoff vote in thirty years. (Kyodo News) (Mainichi) Haitian crisis Alix Didier Fils-Aimé is appointed as the new Prime Minister of Haiti, replacing Garry Conille, amid worsening security in the country. (Reuters) Māori protest movement Hundreds of Māori people begin a nine-day march from Cape Reinga to Wellington, the capital city of New Zealand, to protest the proposed Treaty Principles Bill which would redefine the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi. (The Star) (The Guardian)

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RD: John Robinson

Article: John Robinson (American football coach) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football coach, 2nd most wins in Los Angeles Rams history. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Needs a lot of sourcing work, especially for the Coaching career section. Natg 19 (talk) 01:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

November 10

Portal:Current events/2024 November 10

November 10, 2024 (2024-11-10) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine November 2024 Moscow drone attack One person is injured and at least 36 flights are diverted when 34 Ukrainian drones strike Moscow, Russia. (CBC News) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 40 people are killed in Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip, including at least 24 in the Jabalia refugee camp in North Gaza Governorate. The IDF claims they killed a top Palestinian Islamic Jihad commander in the strikes. (Reuters) (The Times of Israel) (The Washington Post) An Israeli airstrike on a house in Gaza City kills Wael al-Khour, a minister in the Hamas-run government, along with his wife and their three children. (NBC News) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon An Israeli airstrike in the village of Aalmat, Byblos District, Lebanon, kills at least 23 people, including seven children, and injures six others. (AP) Mexican drug war Ten people are killed and seven others are injured in a mass shooting at a bar in Querétaro, Mexico. (CBS News) Sistan and Baluchestan insurgency Five Basij officers are killed after a shooting by suspected Jaish ul-Adl gunmen in Saravan, Sistan and Baluchestan province, Iran. (AP) Disasters and accidents A Mww 6.8 earthquake strikes off the coast of Bartolomé Masó, Cuba, causing landslides and damage to buildings in the region. (CNN) Law and crime Israel–Hamas war protests November 2024 Amsterdam attacks More than 300 pro-Palestinian protesters are forcibly removed and 50 others are detained by Dutch police for participating in a rally in Amsterdam, Netherlands, in violation of a ban on demonstrations that was implemented following the attacks on Maccabi Tel Aviv fans on Friday. (Reuters) Tuskegee University shooting One person is killed and 16 others are injured in a school shooting during a homecoming weekend party at Tuskegee University in Tuskegee, Alabama, United States. (NBC News) Politics and elections 2024 Mauritian general election Citizens of Mauritius vote for the 62 seats of the National Assembly. (Reuters) Constitutional crisis in Somalia Ahmed Madobe, the President of the state of Jubaland, Somalia, appoints a regional electoral committee, with Somalia's Interior Ministry calling the committee unauthorized and urging clans to fight for their rights. Jubaland subsequently suspends relations with the federal government. (Garowe Online) (Hiiraan Online) Members of the Jamaat-e-Islami party announce that they have prevented former Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina and the Awami League party from holding a rally in Dhaka, Bangladesh, to commemorate Noor Hossain Day. (AP) Sports 2024 NASCAR Cup Series In auto racing, Joey Logano of Team Penske wins his third NASCAR Cup Series championship. (ESPN)

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Prime Minister of Haiti

Article: Alix Didier Fils-Aimé (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Transitional Presidential Council appoints Alix Didier Fils-Aimé (pictured) as the acting Prime Minister of Haiti after dismissing Garry Conille. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Bremps (talk · give credit)
• Created by Patar knight (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Davemck (talk · give credit), Clime047 (talk · give credit) and Patar knight (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Articles are a bit stubby Bremps... 23:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality of the article. Also, I don't think we should post a acting prime minister, if it was an official prime minister elected I think we should post. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 15:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

soft oppose this is the 4th acting prime minister since Haiti collapsed. Maybe we should start omitting them, but there is an argument to make per ITN/R since this is a head of government. Scuba 17:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Just another event in Haiti's turbulent political life

2024 Mauritian general election

Article: 2024 Mauritian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Labour Party wins the 2024 Mauritian general election with their leader Navin Ramgoolam (pictured) to be named Prime Minister (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Alliance du Changement, led by Navin Ramgoolam (pictured), wins the Mauritian general election
Alternative blurb II: ​ The opposition, lead by Navinchandra Ramgoolam (pictured), wins a landslide victory in the 2024 Mauritian general election
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
• Created by Sundostund (talk · give credit)
• Updated by N Panama 84534 (talk · give credit) and Fajarpa7 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Article needs to be updated, the results have yet to be added, but this is ITN/R when it's ready Scuba 15:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Enough returns are in that the loser conceded. Article seems fine. Bremps... 23:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hold until we have some sense of the vote totals. At that point, procedural support as ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support: National election and the article is in good enough shape. Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support : Various reputable sources, national and international, relevant for the historically only stable democracy of Africa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varoon2542 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support As per above! Sharrdx (talk) 18:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bruce Degen

Article: Bruce Degen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Illustrator of The Magic School Bus (book series). Thriley (talk) 01:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - missing citations under "Selected Works" and for other statements throughout, and needs copyediting throughout. Staraction (talk | contribs) 01:57, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

  I've made some edits to the article, is it good enough to be posted now? toweli (talk) 17:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Support. The article is now fully sourced. toweli (talk) 17:28, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

November 9

Portal:Current events/2024 November 9

November 9, 2024 (2024-11-09) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in Balochistan 2024 Quetta railway station bombing At least 26 people, including fourteen soldiers, are killed and more than 62 others are injured in a suicide bombing at a rail station in Quetta, Balochistan, Pakistan. The Balochistan Liberation Army claims responsibility for the attack. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hamas war Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war At least one person is killed and two others are injured in a raid by Israeli forces in Aqqaba in the West Bank. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon At least 40 people, including several children, are killed in Israeli airstrikes on several cities in Lebanon. (Reuters) Boko Haram insurgency Fifteen Chad National Army soldiers are killed and 32 others are wounded in clashes with Boko Haram militants near Lake Chad. At least 96 Boko Haram militants are killed and 11 others are wounded in the operation. (Reuters) (DW) Colombian conflict A soldier is killed and 16 other people are injured during two separated motorcycle bombings in Jamundí and Cauca Department, Colombia. (Infobae 1) (Infobae 2) Sudanese civil war The United Nations Security Council sanctions the head of operations of the Rapid Support Forces and the force's West Darfur commander for their human rights abuses and for promoting violence in Sudan. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2024 Spanish floods Tens of thousands of protesters demonstrate in Valencia, Spain, to demand the resignation of President of the Valencian Government Carlos Mazón for his handling of the warnings and subsequent management of last week's deadly floods. (AP) International relations China–Indonesia relations Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto sign several cooperation deals worth $10 billion seeking partnership in key areas including water conservation, marine resources, and mining. (Bangkok Post) (Reuters) North Korea–Russia relations Russian President Vladimir Putin signs into law the North Korean–Russian Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership, a mutual defense pact with North Korea. (Reuters) Law and crime A man injures four friars at a monastery in Gilet, Province of Valencia, Spain, before fleeing the scene. (ABC.es) Politics and elections 2024 Bolivia protests The constitutional court of Bolivia prohibits former President Evo Morales from running for office in any position, thereby preventing him from contesting next year's election. (Al Jazeera)

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RD: Bobby Allison

Article: Bobby Allison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D48F:9A79:A7A8:F331 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by BurnItDown49 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Hall of Fame NASCAR driver and 3-times Daytona 500 winner. 240F:7A:6253:1:D48F:9A79:A7A8:F331 (talk) 13:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Tone problem and some sections are uncited. Rynoip (talk) 19:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose more sourcing needed, and is way too slanted to negative aspects ("Cale Yarborough fight" has 5 paragraphs which is WP:UNDUE compared to the rest of his career, and "Career wins controversy" violate WP:Controversy sections). Joseph2302 (talk) 16:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Delhi Ganesh

Article: Delhi Ganesh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 58.175.9.121 (talk · give credit), 2601:18e:d004:6e70:c8c2:f424:d0b4:e632 (talk · give credit) and Raghavan2010 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Prominent Indian actor and having done versatile roles in over 400 films. Has won Tamil Nadu State Film Award Special Prize and Kalaimamani Awards. Abishe (talk) 08:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose filmography and television sections are unsourced. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Judith Jamison

Article: Judith Jamison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Yoshi876 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American dancer, article in good shape. I honestly still don’t have a good sense of when we blurb, but she was a historic figure in the arts. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, oppose blurb The article is well sourced and of high quality, but she simply isn't notable enough for a blurb. Anopisthograph (talk) 03:34, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. 5th level vital article. Updated and well-referenced. gobonobo ^{+ c} 05:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Nothing to complain. Grimes2 (talk) 05:58, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Quetta bombing

Article: 2024 Quetta railway station bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Pakistan, at least 26 people are killed and 62 are injured in a Balochistan Liberation Army suicide bombing at the Quetta railway station. (Post)
News source(s): AP News, Al Jazeera, NPR, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
• Created by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Chomik1129 (talk · give credit), Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Bloxzge 025 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Major terrorist attack in Pakistan. Article seems short but adequate. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Notable, long enough, and seems to be well-sourced. Anopisthograph (talk) 02:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Support: Major fatal terror attack at one of the largest, busiest and most important train stations in the province of Balochistan. Bloxzge 025 ツ (talk) 02:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Support, major notable event. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Inconsequential ITN nomination, this doesn't appear to be a major headline on BBC, AP, CNN, etc. Additionally, it's unclear on how this will have any significant impact with the security theatre in this region of Pakistan. It's my understanding is that this group has been terrorizing this region for quite some time. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

The bombing impact was that it significantly increased security measures across Quetta and suspended train operations Bloxzge 025 (talk) 18:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

These are short term impacts. Ideally we're looking for long-term impacts, and this doesn't seem to have moved the needle on the state of terrorism in the region. Masem (t) 18:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Major terrorist attack, significant casualty numbers. Rynoip (talk) 19:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Major attack, massive casualties. Made headlines in The Guardian, so some foreign sources clearly found it important. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support It's in the news, a substantial attack with not insignificant casualties. Article is reasonable quality. AusLondonder (talk) 20:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted RD) RD/blurb: Ram Narayan

Article: Ram Narayan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Ram Narayan, who popularised the bowed instrument sarangi as a solo concert instrument, dies at age 96 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ram Narayan, who won the Padma Vibhushan for playing the bowed instrument sarangi, dies at age 96
News source(s): India Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Hekerui (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian musician, popularised the bowed instrument sarangi as a solo concert instrument Hekerui (talk) 07:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. There is a photo here. Are we going with blurb? BilboBeggins (talk) 09:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  I tried to add something blurb-wise Hekerui (talk) 11:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb RD only, Not on par with head of state in terms of notability or otherwise globally known household name to warrant a blurb.31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:53, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Support RD since its a featured article. Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Ravi Shankar was blurbed and this chap seems similar. And it’s an FA. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  Can you seriously not take decisions from more than ten years ago as a reference? A lot has changed in ITN since then. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  Shankar was far more famous and influential worldwide than Narayan. Black Kite (talk) 19:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  plus ça change... Andrew🐉(talk) 20:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Article is of high quality, and gives a reasonable good reason why he was considered a great figure in their field. Masem (t) 15:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD Agree that the article is high quality, but I think he is not notable enough for a blurb, compared to Ravi Shankar. Grimes2 (talk) 16:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Support RD, oppose blurb article is of high quality. Scuba 19:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb death not notable as event This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb As a featured article, this is clearly of high enough quality for RD, but he's just not notable enough for a blurb. Anopisthograph (talk) 02:00, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb Seems transformative figure to me. Also, 77 Wikipedia articles is impressive. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb being transformational is not sufficient to rise to a death blurb. it's unclear what his impact or legacy will be nor is his death being covered all that much internationally. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb - The Japanese basketball (or was it baseball?) blurb is 9 days old (and counting). If there isn't other thing to blurb, why not this? 51.154.145.205 (talk) 11:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support – Top of his field. ArionStar (talk) 18:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

November 8

Portal:Current events/2024 November 8

November 8, 2024 (2024-11-08) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Kharkiv strikes, Kyiv strikes, Odesa strikes One person is killed and at least 38 others are injured in Russian airstrikes in Kharkiv, Kyiv, and Odesa, Ukraine. (AP) Terrorism in Yemen A Yemeni government soldier opens fire on Saudi troops in Seiyun, Yemen, killing two and injuring one other. Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and the Houthis are suspected to be the perpetrators of the attack, however no group claimed responsibility. (AP) 2024 Mozambican general election, Human rights in Mozambique Human Rights Watch reports that at least 34 people have been killed and at least 66 others have been injured in the past three weeks in police crackdowns of violent protests following the Mozambican presidential election. Mozambican police fired tear gas and rubber bullets at protesters in the capital city Maputo, with the Army later deployed to end the protests. (Al Jazeera) (DW) November 2024 Amsterdam attacks, Antisemitism in Europe Pro-Palestinian locals attack supporters of Israeli football team Maccabi Tel Aviv F.C. after a match with AFC Ajax in Amsterdam, Netherlands, following instances of anti-Palestinian and anti-Arab chants and vandalism by Maccabi ultras. At least 30 people are injured, with five hospitalized, and 62 people are arrested. Dutch authorities condemn the attacks as antisemitic with the government of Amsterdam subsequently banning protests and demonstrations in the city for three days. (CNN) (Al Jazeera) (Reuters) Arts and culture 67th Annual Grammy Awards American musician Beyoncé receives eleven nominations for the 2025 Grammy Awards, making her the most nominated artist in the award's history with 99 total nominations. (AP) Disasters and accidents At least two people are killed and twelve others are missing when a fishing boat capsizes off the coast of Jeju Island, South Korea. (The Korea Herald) Health and environment Deforestation of the Amazon rainforest The Brazilian environment and climate change ministry reports that deforestation in the Amazon rainforest decreased by 30.6% compared to last year, the lowest level in nine years. Additionally, deforestation in the Cerrado tropical savannah region decreased by 25.7%, the first decrease in five years. (AP) (Semafor) International relations Ukraine–United States relations The United States lifts its ban on deploying military contractors to Ukraine, thereby enabling American companies to directly assist with the maintenance and repair of U.S.-made weapons, such as F-16 fighter aircraft and Patriot air defense systems. The U.S. says that its contractors will be positioned far from the front lines and will not engage in combat with Russian forces. (CNN) Law and crime Hurricane Milton Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season A Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) employee is fired for having told relief workers to not aid those who supported then-Republican candidate in the upcoming 2024 United States presidential election, Donald Trump. (CNN) Security incidents involving Donald Trump, Iranian interference in the 2024 United States elections The U.S. Justice Department announces that they have formally charged an Afghan national who confessed to a murder-for-hire plan linked to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps targeting president-elect Donald Trump. (CNN) Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is released from prison early after serving six months for perverting the course of justice. (RNZ)

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RD: Dorothy Allison

Article: Dorothy Allison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT: Dorothy Allison, Author of ‘Bastard Out of Carolina,’ Dies at 75
Credits:

• Nominated by Jaguarnik (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: American writer. Died on the 6th but her death was announced on the 8th. Jaguarnik (talk) 20:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Seems to be well sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 11:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Trevor Sorbie

Article: Trevor Sorbie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, Sky News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:51AD:F63E:8838:41EF (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British celebrity hairdresser. 240F:7A:6253:1:51AD:F63E:8838:41EF (talk) 00:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article seems well-cited. It's not red-tagged or orange-tagged. Anopisthograph (talk) 02:08, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Alan Rachins

Article: Alan Rachins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post Los Angeles Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American Actor. News of death might be a bit stale but still nominating. TNM101 (chat) 17:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Article is generally well-cited, with the notable exception of the filmography section at the end. All of it is pretty easily verifiable from google searching. However, in many cases even the target articles do not have a proper citation or even a mention re: Rachins appearance. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose and suggest close STALE. Death was reported on 11/2 (over a week ago). Latest nominations right now are dated for 11/4. Suggesting close since this is stale. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: June Spencer

Article: June Spencer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by RyTellyFan91 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: English actress. Fats40boy11 (talk) 17:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support She was playing Peggy Woolley on The Archers before I was born and before the late Queen came to the throne. And she was still playing the part at the age of 103. Just posting her name is quite inadequate to convey the nature of her legendary feat. Just why is it so hard to post a few words or a picture to explain this to our readers? Andrew🐉(talk) 18:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure many outside the UK will know who The Archers were, and even then it only applies to those who listen to Radio 4 or grew up with it. I think you could make a case of reforming RD altogether, but this would merit a much wider discussion. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article looks good. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 22:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Amsterdam attack

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Article: November 2024 Amsterdam attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israeli soccer fans are attacked in Amsterdam, injuring 10. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mass pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel violent assaults takes place in Amsterdam, injuring 10.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are attacked in Amsterdam after a UEFA Europa Leagueassociation football match.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans clash with locals in Amsterdam after a Europa League football match.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, pro-Palestinian protestors, and other local residents are attacked during unrest in Amsterdam after a UEFA Europa League association football match.
News source(s): https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/07/europe/israel-soccer-fans-attacked-amsterdam-intl-hnk/index.html
Credits:

• Nominated by ToadetteEdit (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article about a recent attack against Israeli citizens after attending a football match. It marked the beginning of a pogrom there. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Note: I've added another blurb related to the topic; given that Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam was created six minutes before November 2024 Amsterdam attacks makes me rethink twice and do two nominations (articles will me merged) in the hope that one of them gets promoted. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - I have not seen any RS using the term 'pogrom'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I have removed comments violating WP:ARBPIA and added warning for that area to this nomination. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support notability but strong oppose blurb and altblurb1 firstly this is Europe, so why use the term soccer, secondly we are an encyclopedia we should be specific, and thirdly, these aren't random Israelis being attacked they are Maccabi fans who are politically right-wing and one the most supported clubs in Israel, which brings a whole new dimension. Also Ajax's fanbase whom they played against also is somewhat known to have pro-Israeli sympathies, so I added altblurb2 which omits Ajax from the blurb as there is no indication their fans were involved. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, barring any significant deaths, this is part of what's in the ongoing topics related to the Israeli conflicts. --Masem (t) 12:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  We don't need deaths to make an event significant. Also this happened far away from the Middle East. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  Wait @Masem I tend to agree with Abc here, WP:MINIMUMDEATHS seems like a relevant essay. However, I'm leaning towards oppose at the moment because it's still unclear if this is going to have any long-term ramifications. For example, if Israel decides to incur on Dutch sovereign soil with her military forces as a result, this would certainly seem blurb worthy. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  I just wanted to inform people who do happen to notice that MINIMUMDEATHS is bluelinked that of course the intention is not to codify a minimum deaths threshold; and there is no guideline regarding "minimum deaths" in any shape or form. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, but at the same time, we have, within the ongoing, at least three articles covering worldwide rise of violence and other actions against Jews, Palestinians, and Muslims (Antisemitism during the Israel–Hamas war, Islamophobia during the Israel–Hamas war, and Anti-Palestinianism during the Israel–Hamas war). This is not an isolated case, and seems more comparable to the protests on American colleges (which we didn't post). As Kcmastrpc, if this escalates to be more an international incident, that would be different, but right now, it appears that the immediate situation resolved. --Masem (t) 13:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  I think the scale and level of violence and reaction is much larger than usual though, especially given this was a relatively high-profile football match too Abcmaxx (talk) 18:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Doesn't seem important enough for ITN at the moment; also, it doesn't appear to have been all one-way [1]. Black Kite (talk) 13:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Disagree here, it has had official responses from various politicians, so it has caused a diplomatic incident. Such events are rarely one-sided given an organised and politicised group of football fans were involved. Also the pogrom redirect looks to be heavily WP:LOADED and WP:POV I think this should be deleted. I have added altblurb3in order to give a neutral balance. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Everything gets political responses nowadays, the way we write event articles, which is a problem. Reactions really should be focused on actual involvement and steps, and not just stern words or statements of thoughts and prayers, but event articles tend to attract and grow those like kudzu. There's a lot of weight in claiming these reactions are significant that is in the CRYSTAL territory as well. — Masem (t) 14:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes but this is making global headlines; I'm not sure what other involvement you can reasonably expect other than mass arrests and government intervention to bring their citizens home, which is what happened here. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Tons of events get global headlines, but WP is not a newspaper and ITN is not a newsticker. And if that's the extent the actions that result from this event, that's also pushing it towards being a footnote within the larger context of the Israeli conflicts. — Masem (t) 19:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Right but you can't set such a high threshold that only elections and tragic events with x amount deaths get posted, we are already getting to a point where it's becoming near impossible to post anything else. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose given the earlier disruptions by Israeli fans attacking people in Amsterdam aren’t mentioned idk how anybody could think this is a NPOV. Also oppose on notability. nableezy - 15:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose alt blurbs 1-3 on NPOV concerns The level of coverage this is receiving puts this on a similar notability footing to the US College Protests, but Europe's version. I supported posting the protests and support this too. However, I am sympathetic to the NPOV concerns. Looking objectively at the reporting, there is evidence that at least some Maccabi fans were targeting or vandalizing houses and businesses with the Palestinian flag and that Arabs in the area (including a taxi driver) were assaulted prior to the game starting. Omitting this from alt blurbs 1-2 is a NPOV concern. On the other hand, there is obvious video footage that later in the night (after the game had ended), coordinated violence on a much larger scale was directed at the Maccabi fans leaving the stadium; alt blurb 3 leaves the reader with the oversimplified impression that the Maccabi fans "clashed" (i.e. caused violence) with locals. The net result of this is that I support alt blurb 4 (which I have added). Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose clashes between opposing football fans in Europe is very commonplace. This is just given more attention due to the current Middle East situation. No deaths, or major number of injuries. If posted, alt3 is the most neutral blurb to use. To me, "clashes" implies violence / fighting on both sides with no indication of who started in. Natg 19 (talk) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  Who is opposing Maccabi here? This isn't football-based violence, it's ethno-political Abcmaxx (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurbs 3 and 4; oppose the others. What makes this particular Hooliganism noteworthy is that it's explicitly ethnic violence: Israeli fans engaging in anti-Arab demonstrations in the Netherlands of all places, and residents responding with violence. Also, a lot more than 10 were injured, as of current reporting. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Natg 19. If it's posted, ALT4 is the best - the rest of them all have NPOV problems going in either direction. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose looks like football hooliganism, I can't remember us posting instances of this to ITN before. Scuba 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Per Natg 19 and Scuba, no deaths so far Hungry403 (talk) 02:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, violence and football hooliganism by one group after being instigated by the other. RachelTensions (talk) 04:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - football hooliganism + WP:POV; all of these blurbs portray the israelites as victims here without showing what they did for this to happen. The background section in the artile is literally bigger than the section on the attack Abo Yemen✉ 05:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Massem above. Yakikaki (talk) 14:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Describing an incident of football hooliganism as the "beginning of a pogrom there" in the Netherlands is completely false and ridiculous. Football hooliganism is not uncommon in Europe. The article itself states that "Maccabi Tel Aviv fans had been filmed beforehand burning a Palestinian flag, chanting anti-Arab slurs and not observing the moment of silence for victims of 2024 Spanish floods." The incident was not an "attack" - the article has serious NPOV issues. AusLondonder (talk) 14:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Support This is very clearly NOT just football hooliganism, and none of the major media are presenting it as thus. Even the pro-Palestian Guardian is calling it "attacks on Israeli football fans" (The Guardian). The blatant POV of some of the commentators here, and their both-sides-ism, is despicable and should be discarded. Khuft (talk) 17:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Only in the headline. The source you are citing to argue against "despicable both-sides-ism" goes on to repeatedly describe "incidents on both sides" and "fights on both sides" with both anti-Arab racism and antisemitism being causes of the fighting.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Did you even read the article? No-one is denying there were incidents started by the Maccabi fans, but the incidents thereafter targeting Maccabi fans were way more significant and shocking. The article quotes the mayor of Amsterdam, for instance, as follows: “Men on scooters crisscrossed the city looking for Israeli football fans. It was a hit and run. I can easily understand that this brings back memories of pogroms,” Halsema said. “Our city has been deeply damaged. Jewish culture has been deeply threatened. This is an outburst of antisemitism that I hope to never see again.” It's not me saying this - it's the actual mayor of the city where this happened. Khuft (talk) 20:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I did see that the politician placed the blame squarely on one side without acknowledging the other. The police, the source you posted, and reliable sources more generally, acknowledged that incidents and fights occurred on both sides. This discussion about how the story should be framed is better suited for the talk page (where such a discussion is already happening), it's not going to be blurbed.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on notability as this doesn't even make the list of the most significant events that could be described as spillovers of the Israel-Palestine conflict, strong oppose every proposed blurb except alt4 as terribly misleading. Alt3 is at least not POV, but it's not a very informative description of the event. Seems like we're past the point of WP:SNOW anyways.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Doesnt appear notable enough for a blurb at this time. Noah, BSBA^Talk 20:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: John Nott

Article: John Nott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  The last National Liberal MP, John Nott, who was the UK defence secretary during the Falklands war, dies at age 92. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Shacharrz (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Quite a prominent and memorable figure in his day Andrew🐉(talk) 00:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Not a serving politician, certainly not a household name. OLDMANDIES This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Neither of those are criteria that ITN has used to consider for blurbs. — Masem (t) 14:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support RD article quality good enough, not too sure about blurb though. Rynoip (talk) 01:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• I can't say that I like how his books are referenced, but that would not stop me from posting this. The two citation needed tags that I've placed are of bigger concern. Schwede66 02:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose on quality Some cn tags and Books section needs some sources. Oppose blurb not significant enough to warrant blurb. I mean, Colin Powell didn't get blurbed for Pete's sake. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• RD only, per Orbitalbuzzsaw 31.44.227.152 (talk) 07:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, no indication of any impact or legacy beyond simply being connected to the Falklands war. Support RD, I tagged one bit of trivia in the death section (re surviving members of the Thatcher cabinet) but that's not a showstopper. --Masem (t) 12:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb - not quite a Churchill or a Kissinger. The party also seems to have been defunct since 1968. Departure– (talk) 13:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Not quite?! Not at all. Spartaz ^Humbug! 15:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb - I concur with TDKR that Colin Powell comes to mind as the primary comparison point. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support RD, Oppose Blurb article looks good, but being minister of defense during a war 40 years ago doesn't make you notable enough for a blurb. Scuba 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support RD, oppose blurb - The article is of sufficient quality to meet RD requirements, but given his role as a former Defence Secretary rather than a head of state or high-impact contemporary figure, a blurb feels unwarranted. His contributions do not reach the level of widespread historical impact typically needed for a standalone blurb. Anopisthograph (talk) 22:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Not a figure of sufficient notability or impact to warrant a blurb. Keep in mind that the nominator here opposed the recent blurbing of a national constitutional referendum on European Union membership. AusLondonder (talk) 14:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  @AusLondonder: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 18:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  Huh? AusLondonder (talk) 02:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 22:50, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

November 7

Portal:Current events/2024 November 7

November 7, 2024 (2024-11-07) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Siege of North Gaza, Refugee camp airstrikes in the Israel–Hamas war At least twelve Palestinians are killed and several others are injured in Israeli airstrikes on a school used to shelter displaced people in the Al-Shati refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. (Al Jazeera) Military aid to Israel during the Israel–Hamas war, Israel–United States military relations The Israeli Ministry of Defence announces that it has signed an agreement to acquire 25 F-15EX fighter jets from Boeing as part of a $5.2 billion aid package from the U.S. government. At least four jets will be delivered annually beginning in 2031. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Zaporizhzhia strikes Four people are killed and 33 others are injured when Russian guided bombs hit residences, an apartment building, and a medical center in Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. (Reuters) Sudanese civil war 2024 eastern Gezira State massacres At least 73 people from the village of al-Hilaliya, Gezira State, Sudan, are killed by unknown causes during a siege of the village by Rapid Support Forces militants. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Hezbollah launches drones at the Israeli Defense Forces base in Kfar Bilu and the Haifa naval base in Haifa, Israel. No casualties are reported. (Al Jazeera) (Saba News Agency) Disasters and accidents 2023–2024 South American drought The United Nations reports that almost a half million children in the Amazon are currently experiencing significant food and water scarcity due to prolonged droughts. (The Guardian) 2024 Atlantic hurricane season, 2024 Cuba blackouts Cuba experiences a nationwide blackout as Hurricane Rafael makes landfall in Artemisa Province. (Al Jazeera) International relations Russia–United Kingdom relations International sanctions during the Russian invasion of Ukraine The British government announces 56 sanctions on individuals and entities based in countries including China and Turkey, as well as on the Africa Corps mercenary group, in order to target Russia's military-industrial complex and restrict the supply of military equipment to Russia. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) France–Israel relations Israel Police forcibly enter the French-administered Church of the Pater Noster compound in Jerusalem and detain two French consulate employees. French foreign minister Jean-Noël Barrot cancels his visit to the site while the French government summons the Israeli ambassador in response. (Le Monde) (AP) Law and crime Chinese intelligence activity abroad Germany arrests an American citizen suspected of spying on the U.S. military for China while working at a U.S. military installation in Germany. (Al Jazeera) Police in Argentina charge three people in the death of English singer Liam Payne. (Sky News) (People) The Federal Bureau of Investigation announces an inquiry into a widespread text message harassment campaign targeting Black Americans with threats of enslavement. (CNN) (NBC) Politics and elections 2024 German government crisis Volker Wissing, Germany's transport minister and the former Free Democratic Party (FDP) general secretary, announces that he will leave the FDP but will remain in the Scholz cabinet. (SZ) Second presidential transition of Donald Trump U.S. President-elect Donald Trump announces Susie Wiles as his White House Chief of Staff, the first woman to serve in this position. (ABC News) The Labor Ministry of Ecuador temporarily suspends Vice President and ambassador to Israel Verónica Abad Rojas until April 2025 for failing to comply with an order to leave Israel due to security concerns in Gaza. (Reuters)

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RD: Jürgen Becker (poet)

Article: Jürgen Becker (poet) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Georg Büchner Prize recipient. Grimes2 (talk) 18:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Christine Görner

Article: Christine Görner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): her website
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

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German soprano who excelled in operetta, musical, film and entertaining music, especially one beloved operetta film. The article just survived a deletion suggestion, so became well sourced. Her death is reported only on her personal website, but what else can we expect about a woman who - if we believe the German Wikipedia - suffered a stroke 5 years ago and since lived in Italy with her son, where she died (on 30 October, but the first trace appeared here on 7 November) and was buried. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Pim Sierks

Article: Pim Sierks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DVNH (NL)
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Dutch pilot. Article requires some work. Ktin (talk) 05:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now Until sourcing issues are fixed. Anopisthograph (talk) 05:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Elwood Edwards

Article: Elwood Edwards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WKYC
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Voice of America Online's "You've Got Mail." Death reported 7 November. Thriley (talk) 18:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose orange tagged and 3 cn tags Rynoip (talk) 21:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good now. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support, article has no outstanding issues with sourcing now. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 07:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

support can't see any glaring problems. Scuba 21:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Issues have been fixed, and I can't find any reason not to post. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is now well sourced. Fats40boy11 (talk) 07:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support LGTM. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:18, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Tyka Nelson

Article: Tyka Nelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Marybrewster (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Sister of Prince. TNM101 (chat) 14:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Article is tagged and her career section is rather short. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

oppose yellow and orange tags. Scuba 21:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Until issues are resolved and tags removed, per above Anopisthograph (talk) 01:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Richard A. Cash

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Article: Richard A. Cash (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Richard A. Cash, who pioneered oral rehydration therapy to save millions of lives, has died at the age of 83 (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MaynardClark (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The subject died in October but the NYT didn't publish an obituary until Nov 3. I'm not sure how much credit belongs to this doctor in particular but oral rehydration therapy has saved more than 50 million lives and was described by The Lancet as "the most important medical advance this century". So that's quite a big legacy which merits some attention and perhaps even a blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and suggest close Way too stale. His death was reported by The Washington Post on October 26th. NYT was late to the party, but his death was well reported before. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Amended to RD Abcmaxx (talk) 11:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as stale his death was first reported on 24 October [2], which is more than 7 days ago. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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November 6

Portal:Current events/2024 November 6

November 6, 2024 (2024-11-06) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon 2024 Beqaa Valley airstrikes Israeli airstrikes in the Beqaa Valley in eastern Lebanon kill 55 people and injure 59 others. (L'Orient le Jour) Hezbollah fires rockets at Tel Aviv, Israel, with a rocket striking Ben Gurion Airport. (Yedioth Ahronoth) Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War U.S. President Joe Biden announces the expedited granting of more than US$6 billion in military aid to Ukraine prior to president-elect Donald Trump's inauguration in January. (Reuters) Sistan and Baluchestan insurgency Twelve Jaish ul-Adl militants are killed, including the group's leader Salahuddin Farooqui, in a joint operation by Iran and Pakistan. (Tehran Times) (Sedaye Bourse) Business and economy The Institute of International Finance cautions that if U.S. president-elect Donald Trump follows through with the tariffs that he campaigned on, this will result in a renewal of inflation and higher U.S. banking loan interest rates. (CNBC) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Rafael approaches the southern coast of Cuba as a Category 3 hurricane, triggering mass evacuations amid warnings of life-threatening flash flooding and storm surges. (Reuters) 2024 California wildfires Amid extreme fire weather conditions and a particularly dangerous situation red flag warning, the Mountain Fire in Ventura County, California, U.S., develops and grows to 10,400 acres (42 km2) in less than eight hours. (CBS News) A Honda HA-420 HondaJet crashes into a vehicle during take off from Falcon Field in Mesa, Arizona, U.S., killing five people. (CBS News) Forty-three Rhesus macaque monkeys escape from the Alpha Genesis, Inc. research facility in Yemassee, South Carolina, United States after an enclosure is improperly fastened. (Associated Press) Law and crime Protests against Donald Trump Just Stop Oil protesters spray orange paint on the outside of the American Embassy in London, United Kingdom, following Donald Trump's re-election in the 2024 U.S. presidential election. (The Independent) U.S. protesters gather in San Jose, Berkeley, Chicago, Philadelphia, and New York City to protest following the re-election of Donald Trump. (Mercury News) (Newsweek) Human trafficking in Greece Four people are killed and 25 others are rescued after human traffickers force them from their boat into the water off the coast of Rhodes, Greece, and abandon them. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2024 U.S. elections 2024 U.S. presidential election, Second presidency of Donald Trump Republican candidates 45th U.S. president Donald Trump and U.S. Senator JD Vance are elected as the 47th U.S. President and 50th U.S. Vice President respectively. (The Washington Post) (AP) Trump will become the first person since Grover Cleveland in 1892 to serve non-consecutive presidential terms, as well as the oldest presidential candidate and first convicted felon to be elected president. (BBC News) (The New York Times) (AP) Vance is the first millennial to be elected U.S. Vice President. (DW) 2024 U.S. Senate elections The Republican Party wins a majority in the U.S. Senate. (Reuters) (The Guardian) Second presidential transition of Donald Trump U.S. Vice President and Democratic Party candidate Kamala Harris concedes defeat to Donald Trump in a speech at Howard University in Washington, D.C., stating that she and U.S. President Joe Biden will commit to a peaceful transition of power. (Time) 2024 German government crisis In Germany, the Scholz cabinet loses its majority following the dismissal of finance minister Christian Lindner and the resignation of all remaining Free Democratic Party members. (Reuters)

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RD: Johannes Beutler

Article: Johannes Beutler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jesuiten
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German theologian and Catholic priest focused on Gospel of John. Grimes2 (talk) 14:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Tony Todd

Article: Tony Todd (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: American actor with a large number of roles, notable as the killer in the Candyman series. Unfortunately article is woefully undersourced due to the large number of roles. Masem (t) 03:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for now. The Filmography section needs a lot of work - right now, it's almost completely unsourced. Anopisthograph (talk) 03:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Majority of filmography is currently unsourced alongside several unsourced paragraphs under television section. Fats40boy11 (talk) 07:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Madeleine Riffaud

Article: Madeleine Riffaud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Fighter in the French Resistance during World War II, writing poems at school and in prison where tortured and to be executed by the Nazis, after World War II encouraged to write by Eluard and portrayed by Picasso, then as war correspondent in Algeria and Vietnam, in a relationship with Nguyễn Đình Thi, distant for most of the long time. - Several of the article's references were no longer there, but could be replaced. More detail is in the sources, such as an early short marriage and a child that died young. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article seems good enough. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article is properly cited. Scuba 01:18, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Support better quality than the average nom we get around here, good to go. Flip^andFlopped ツ 18:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Syed Shah Khusro Hussaini

Article: Syed Shah Khusro Hussaini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, Arab News
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Khaatir (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Indian Sufi and the vice president of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board. Khaatir (talk) 02:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support no citation problems. Scuba 21:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support I don't see any major issues. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support per above and marking as ready. Flip^andFlopped ツ 18:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Anna Lo

Article: Anna Lo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Created by Rye 212 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Milzo1986 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: UK's first Chinese parliamentarian. Article looks good, well cited. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 19:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 02:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

   Done Grimes2 (talk) 19:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support seems ready now. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks fine. Scuba 21:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support High-quality and well-sourced article. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is well sourced and looks ready. Fats40boy11 (talk) 07:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:02, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Hurricane Rafael

Article: Hurricane Rafael (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Rafael makes landfall in Cuba and causes a second nationwide electrical blackout. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Departure– (talk · give credit)
• Created by Drdpw (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Tavantius (talk · give credit), Aviationwikiflight (talk · give credit), Quxyz (talk · give credit), Quake1234 (talk · give credit) and LemonJuiceIsSour (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Another nationwide blackout to add to 2024. Not sure if the blackout article needs to be updated for ITN, because it isn't. Departure– (talk) 16:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for the hurricane article and Oppose for the blackout Hurricane article needs to be updated with information on deaths. Blackout article contains only one sentence related to the hurricane. Also, I feel that the blurb should mention impacts across other countries as well and not only about Cuba. TNM101 (chat) 16:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Wait per TNM101. There are fatalities so that should be the focus, the Cuba grid going down again is less significant overall. Masem (t) 17:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good, hurricane made landfall, there have been fatalities. It's impossible to separate out the blackout so that should also be tagged. Scuba 21:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support The article is comprehensive and well-updated. Given the significant fatalities and the large-scale power outages across multiple countries, this event meets ITN criteria for prominence. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, nothing significant, only 8 deaths. Stephen 07:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Cannan

Article: John Cannan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Lyddonian (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: British Suzy Lamplugh murder suspect Martinevans123 (talk) 09:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Once you start reading the article, it's hard to stop before reaching the end.

51.154.145.205 (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted – That article makes for grim reading. Schwede66 01:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: John Dempsey

Article: John Dempsey (footballer, born 1946) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, RTÉ Sport
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:44A0:8B74:9026:24BB (talk · give credit)
• Updated by FrenchFootball (talk · give credit) and Robby.is.on (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: English-born Irish footballer. 240F:7A:6253:1:44A0:8B74:9026:24BB (talk) 00:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose way too much unsourced content, and also for a career of 18 years, there should be more text. Also date of death is not well sourced (it was announced on 6 November, but source doesn't say that is date of death). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Date of death unverified. Needs more citations for career section. I have added verification tag for the article. TNM101 (chat) 13:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Opposed lacking sources. Scuba 21:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Orange tagged and needs more citations. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) German ruling coalition collapse

Articles: Scholz cabinet (talk · history · tag) and 2024 German government crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ German traffic light coalition collapsed following policy disagreement over the economic crisis. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following policy disagreement over the current economic crisis, the currently ruling coalition in Germany collapses.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The German ruling coalition collapsed following policy disagreement over the economic crisis.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The German ruling coalition collapses over disagreements on economic policies.
News source(s): Politico New York Times CNN the Guardian euronews Washington Post the Telegraph France 24
Credits:

• Nominated by Haers6120 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Coalition collapse in Germany is rare, I remember the last time was in 2005 (though it was a deliberately snap election called by the SPD-Greens coalition at that time). Also targeted articles need updates. Haers6120 (talk) 21:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment I have made 2024 German government crisis. Currently it is not ready to be a targetted article, and perhaps it should be merged into Scholz cabinet. Either way, I support in principle posting this. While we do not normally post government collapses, the present situation is very much unprecedented in Germany, and is receiving significant media coverage (if perhaps overshadowed by the US election). Gust Justice (talk) 21:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I feel it better merged into Scholz cabinet article, given that article lacks necessary updates so far. Haers6120 (talk) 22:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

This seems the right approach. Not every separate event needs it's own article since you have to reestablish a lot of context for such cases. It might grow large enough into one in the future but in the immediate it should be merged (but still nominatable) — Masem (t) 22:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree with the merge. The original blurb is fine with the links it has. Renerpho (talk) 23:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm about to update the article. I don't think it should be merged because the impact will probably extend beyond the coalition. Perhaps we can talk about a merge in the future. Killarnee (talk) 05:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your contribution! :). I will update the blurb now. Haers6120 (talk) 05:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

if that article gets expanded enough, I will highlight/re-targe it :) Haers6120 (talk) 05:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

We should be careful on such CRYSTAL claims, hence why it is better to keep these types of news events in context of a larger article. Should it truly be significant, establishing its own context, then a sepearate article can be made. Masem (t) 17:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until the snap election is held and a new coalition (or whoever wins the election) is announced. TwistedAxe [contact] 00:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

  Considering how unusual this event is, I don't see why we should wait for that. Renerpho (talk) 03:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support This will have a significant impact for the nation and globally. This event has a long history, with discontent since the last election and enormous resulting gains for radical parties. Waiting until the next (snap) election makes no sense, the vote of confidence must come first, and theoretically it could be that there is no snap election at all. But even if there were, the snap election would probably not be until March, which would be more than just a little wait and see what happens. Killarnee (talk) 05:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support This is the 2nd biggest story in most places right now. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support a bit drowned by the US election, but major story still. Juxlos (talk) 14:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Nominate and support Altblurb1, I don't think the "Traffic Light Coalition" nickname mean much to anyone outside Germany.31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

  The main reason for the collapse is a disagreement about the budget. Grimes2 (talk) 14:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

  Feel free to update if you think it warrants a change. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 17:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you! I also feel that Alt1 is more suitable :) Haers6120 (talk) 16:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt1 Seems notable enough for a blurb and agree that "Traffic Light Coalition" is meaningless for anyone who doesn't follow the German Reichstag closely. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Major political development in major democracy, in the news globally. Prefer altblurb as wording seems better. Also support the creation of the seperate article on the government crisis which could be linked if appropriate. AusLondonder (talk) 14:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support 4th biggest economy in the world (according to our own information) having an economic crisis that causes government to collapse meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

  is the announcement of asking for a confidence-vote in January 25 enough for ITN? the news besides this is, that our government doesnt have a majority anymore, because one of the three parties ruling left the federal government. User Kiril Simeonovski explained that pretty well (see a few comments below). LennBr (talk) 03:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support, leaning towards alt blurb. Both are good, but I can't imagine that most people will understand what the traffic light coalition is. "The currently ruling coalition" is much better when it comes to general understanding. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 17:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Opinion How about change original blurb by replace 'traffic light coalition' with 'ruling coalition'? (that will make the sentence concise)
  such as 'German ruling coalition collapsed following policy disagreement over the economic crisis.' Haers6120 (talk) 17:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

  That sounds more reasonable - though I'm not convinced that it's ITN. To many "traffic-light coalition" sounds more like a transportation issue, than politics. Nfitz (talk) 18:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah the term only makes sense if you are familiar with its usage in German politics. It's probably safer to avoid it for ITN. Gust Justice (talk) 18:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support This isn't just a single event, this is the culmination of the unrests and displeasure the German public has had with the current government (i.e. 2023–2024 German farmers' protests). rayukk | talk 19:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose until the vote of no confidence takes place on 15 January 2025 (or earlier). Has anyone here read what really happened or you're guided by the delusive blurbs? From what I read in the German article, chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) announced that he had submitted the dismissal of finance minister Christian Lindner (FDP) to president Frank-Walter Steinmeier due to unbridgeable differences within the government coalition and that a vote of no confidence of his government will be held on 15 January 2025. In response to this, justice minister Marco Buschmann and education minister Bettina Stark-Watzinger from FDP announced their resignations, whereas transport minister Volker Wissing left FDP and stayed in the government. As a result, the cabinet was restructured so that state secretary Jörg Kukies (SDP) was appointed new finance minister, Volker Wissing additionally took over the Ministry of Justice and agriculture minister Cem Özdemir (The Greens) additionally took over the Ministry of Education and Research. The government coalition—now composed of SPD and The Greens—will serve as a minority government over the next two months. For now, this is just a restructuring of the cabinet, and its collapse is dependent on the vote of no confidence. It's highly likely that no confidence will be voted and the parliamentary election next year will be scheduled earlier, but the right time to post this is when that actually happens.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I would wait for the vote of no confidence to take place before blurbing. This is when the government would officially collapse. For now, it is officially just a change in the government members... Tradedia^talk 23:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

  I would disagree with your assessment, as the FDP was completely kicked out of the coalition, leaving a minority government. I would say that that is sufficient. Yes I am a nerd -XCBRO172 (How could you tell?) 19:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Support any of the blurbs look good. Government collapse is a major event, especially for the world's third largest economy. Scuba 21:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt1. Highly notable event in one of the world's biggest economies. Hasn't happened since 1982. Blurb and alt2 are in the wrong tense. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:45, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Add altblurb3 and propose change nominated article I fixed grammar error and ensure conciseness, also could we re-target to the article "2024 German government crisis" as it seems got expanded enough. Haers6120 (talk) 07:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb3 This is the best version. Grimes2 (talk) 22:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 05:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• post-post oppose: Just post a new ITN entry after the snap election. Coalition collapse is a routine process and an inherent part of democracy. It may not have happened in while in Germany, but so what? All I'm reading here is: "A democratic government exercises a common and conventional internal procedure as part of politics in a democratic government." I struggle to see how this is ITN worthy. spintheer (talk) 15:04, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

November 5

Portal:Current events/2024 November 5

November 5, 2024 (2024-11-05) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Refugee camp airstrikes in the Israel–Hamas war At least 29 Palestinians are killed in Israeli airstrikes on several refugee camps across the Gaza Strip. (Reuters) Russo-Ukrainian War Zaporizhzhian strikes Six people are killed and at least 20 others are injured in a Russian missile strike on Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Thirty people are killed after an Israeli airstrike against a residential building in Barja, Lebanon. (AP) (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 European floods 2024 Spanish floods Spanish prime minister Pedro Sánchez announces a €10.6 billion (US$11.5 billion) aid package to families affected by the flooding in the country, primarily in the Valencian Community, including a package of €5 billion (US$5.5 billion) in state-guaranteed loans. (Al Jazeera) (La Nación) At least five people, including two election poll workers are killed by flash flooding in the U.S. state of Missouri, caused by torrential rain. (CBS News) Two Egyptian Air Force officers are killed when a helicopter crashes during a training exercise in Suez Governorate, Egypt. (Al Arabiya) (Egypt Independent) International relations Somalia–United States relations The United States and Somalia reaches an agreement to write off over $1.1 billion of Somalian debt. (Al Arabiya) (The EastAfrican) Law and crime English Channel migrant crossings A court in Lille, France, convicts 18 people, including nine in absentia, for participating in an international human smuggling network that transported migrants across the English Channel. The sentences range from two to fifteen years in prison. (Al Jazeera) Seven men from the Saxonian Separatists group are arrested in Germany and another is arrested in Poland for plotting ethnic cleansing terrorist attacks and for plotting to take control of several areas of Saxony. (Al Jazeera) Railway workers launch an eight-hour strike in Italy after a train manager was stabbed and critically injured on a train near Rivarolo Ligure, Genoa, yesterday. Several trains are canceled, with only 30% of services guaranteed. (Ansa) Equatoguinean vice-president Teodoro Nguema Obiang Mangue warns that politicians caught having sex in their offices could face harsh consequences after a civil servant was caught having sex with multiple women while on the job. (BBC News) The Personal Information Protection Commission of South Korea fines Meta Platforms ₩21.6 billion (US$15 million) for illegally collecting personal information on Facebook users and sharing it with advertisers. (AP) French and Dutch police raid Netflix offices in Paris and Amsterdam as part of an investigation into tax fraud and unreported employment practices. (BBC News) (Deadline) A Swedish court sentences Danish-Swedish politican Rasmus Paludan to four months in jail for inciting hatred against Muslims at two protests in 2022. (The Guardian) Two Chinese nationals are shot by a security guard at a textile mill in Karachi, Pakistan. (ABC News) Politics and elections 2024 United States elections 2024 United States ballot measures Voters in several U.S. states vote on abortion rights on the ballot. Amendments are passed in Arizona, Colorado, Maryland, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, and New York. (KCRA) (LGBT Nation) 2024 United States presidential election U.S. citizens vote in federal, state and local elections, including the presidential election. (CNN) (USA Today) Multiple hoax bomb threats linked to Russian email domains target polling places in U.S. battleground states. (Reuters) 2024 United States Senate elections In New Jersey, Democrat Andy Kim defeats Republican Curtis Bashaw to replace former Senator Bob Menendez, making him the first Korean American to be elected to the Senate. (NBC News) 2024 Boeing machinists strike Boeing machinists vote to end the 53-day labor strike, agreeing to a 38% pay increase over four years. (The Seattle Times) (Reuters) 2024 Palauan general election Citizens of Palau vote for a President and members of the National Congress. (RNZ) 2024 Qatari constitutional referendum Qataris hold a referendum to amend the 2004 constitution, voting to strengthen the emir's political power and to abolish elections for members of the Consultative Assembly. (AP) (QNA) Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse Thousands of protesters demonstrate in Novi Sad, Serbia, to protest the deadly collapse of a railway station canopy on Friday, leading to violent confrontations with police and vandalism of the city hall. (Reuters) Protests against the firing of Yoav Gallant Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu dismisses defense minister Yoav Gallant following disagreements over the execution of the war in the Gaza Strip which subsequently results in nationwide protests. (The New York Times) Science and technology Fukushima nuclear accident A remote-controlled robot retrieves a piece of melted fuel from the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, the first time a piece of melted fuel has been retrieved from a nuclear meltdown. (AP) Researchers at Kyoto University in Japan launch LignoSat, the world's first wooden satellite constructed without screws or glue, into space. It will orbit Earth for six months. (DW)

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RD: Taoreed Lagbaja

Article: Taoreed Lagbaja (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Ammarpad (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died while serving as Nigeria's army chief. – Ammarpad (talk) 15:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready, needs more citations, especially the career section. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 21:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. The entire five-paragraph Career section has only one reference. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Kazuo Umezu

Article: Kazuo Umezu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anime News Network
Credits:

• Nominated by SimonLagann (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Manga artist who influenced Junji Ito passed away a week ago at age 88. SimonLagann (talk) 22:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Was coming to nominate this, but will add while his death was on Oct 28, like many Japanese ppl, the death was only announced today, giving time for privacy and mourning by family and friends. --Masem (t) 04:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support if his works count as their own citations. If they do not count, then this is an oppose vote. Bremps... 05:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• The "Works" section needs to be referenced. Schwede66 01:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Lots of unsourced content in the "Works" section. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Asot Michael

Article: Asot Michael (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Breaking news, homicide victim, serving Antiguan MP. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Currently orange-tagged. Schwede66 01:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. Orange tagged. Otherwise, the article looks ready. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sharda Sinha

Article: Sharda Sinha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fylindfotberserk (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian Singer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support, article looks good and doesn't have any outstanding issues. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready as it's got an unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 01:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support now that DOB reference has been provided. Article is in good shape. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:30, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Seems good enough with DOB reference. Flip^andFlopped ツ 18:08, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Sammy Basso

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Sammy Basso (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Biologist, one of the longest-living progeria sufferers and advocate for and researcher into the disease. Article is in good shape, I added the infobox. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and suggest close Subject died on 5 October 2024 with the obit sourced on his page being dated as 10 October 2024. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) 2024 United States presidential election

Article: 2024 United States presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump is elected the next President of the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Donald Trump is elected the next President of the United States and Republicans take control of the Senate.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Donald Trump is elected President of the United States and Republicans take control of the Senate.
News source(s): New York Times USA Today CNN The Hill
Credits:

• Nominated by Rager7 (talk · give credit)
• Created by LavaBaron (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This is a defining event for politics and is obviously newsworthy. Rager7 (talk) 00:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and close as way premature. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:35, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Agreed that this is premature, but don't see a need to close, as results will be announced in the next 36 hours. Natg 19 (talk) 00:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wait Until results have been officially projected. Also, should we post the results of the Senate/House races too? Also the article is tagged. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Until the results have been officially confirmed, which may take days, we're not posting this. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 1:07, 5 November 2024
• Oppose as very premature. Have you ever seen ITN post a blurb like any of these proposals? Ask yourself why not. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
• Ongoing A blurb is likely to be posted sometime soon so we should start discussion so that we're ready. For example, is the article quality and structure satisfactory or are there specific issues requiring attention? As many readers will already be looking for the article (over half a million yesterday), a link in Ongoing would be helpful.

Note that the article is already huge with over 10,000 words of prose and over 500 citations. Our focus should be on the lead and infobox as the main summaries. They could use a timetable with key dates for the polling and results as it currently just says that the inauguration is next year. Someone above says that we get the results in 36 hours. Is that right?

Note also that On this Day has Election Day (United States) as its lead item today.

Andrew🐉(talk) 08:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb as written, post when there are results ITN should not have premature posts. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Hold till we have projected results. Certain to be ITN/R as it will result in a change of head of state regardless of who wins This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, the blurbs are extremely vague and doesn't mean anything. Save the ITN nomination for when the results are in. Comment withdrawn due to update. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
• Reopening the discussion The end is near. (Does anyone know if the Foreign Legion will take a 58 yo diabetic?) -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Went ahead and added pics of both candidates to the image protection page. Spencer^T•C 06:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support - it's pretty clear that Trump has been elected. We need some blurbs though. Nfitz (talk) 06:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Ongoing until major new outlets call a winner. Worldwide, everyone is watching. Banedon (talk) 06:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Decision Desk called the race, copied the blurb from 2016 as a starting point. Jumpytoo Talk 06:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment As of this comment, the article needs updating including tense modifications and there is an NPOV tag which I suspect is in reference to the lead. -Ad Orientem (talk) 06:44, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Wait Only Fox has called it. AP, BBC and all the others haven't yet. When its confirmed by others, then we can post President Trump. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  Fox hasn't called it - half-an-hour after you wrote this. I just was on Fox, and it says 267. Nfitz (talk) 07:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  • Support And with the fact twice-President Trump is now a foregone conclusion, I now support posting. As for the Senate thing, might it be prudent to wait to see if we can add the House to it as well? The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Support now Multiple sources have called the race for Trump. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC) MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment - Maybe we should mention Trump winning the popular vote, a feat the Republicans haven't achieved since 2004 and definitely a notable factor as it means a majority of Americans have voted for Trump rather than just members of the electoral college. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOTFORUM

Support Wikipedia's editors lean very heavily into the far left, but this is getting ridiculous. Fox has already called the election, it's obvious what the outcome will be, stop stalling there's no point in it5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC) IP, we don't use Russian-funded media to call elections. We use reliable sources. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 07:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC) Oh im sorry I was born in the wrong country. I've thought supposed leftists were supposed to be anti-racist, but i guess that doesnt extend towards the wrong ethnicities btw trump would be the worse option for russia if you think about it for more than a second but you'd need to not be an npc for that. 5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC) Ok, that's enough. Please see WP:NOTFORUM. -Ad Orientem (talk) 07:16, 6 November 2024 (UTC) A Russian IP being pro-Trump? How surprising *rolls eyes* AusLondonder (talk) 08:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wait per C of E. I'd like to see one more call to run this. DarkSide830 (talk) 07:04, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  Aaaaaand that is it, PA was called by NBC and CNN. Support. Let's get this up. DarkSide830 (talk) 07:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  Obviously Trump has won, but I've just looked at CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, and BBC - and none have called it. Fox doesn't even seem to be airing election coverage. Nfitz (talk) 07:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  I mean, I'm taking some liberties, but almost everyone has him at, what, 266, with Nebraska and Alaska among the outstanding. It's almost certain. We can wait, fair. But I doubt anything changes. DarkSide830 (talk) 07:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  Obviously - but don't say that NBC and CNN have called it, when they haven't. I still can't see Fox - it's just commercials forever. Nfitz (talk) 07:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  NBC and CNN called PA. DarkSide830 (talk) 07:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Major outlets are now calling it, there’s no point in further delay. Kcmastrpc (talk) 07:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support it's obvious now that Trump's back in, there's no way Harris can win at the moment. Aydoh8^[contribs] 07:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Support: AP just called Pennsylvania. Prodrummer619 (talk) 07:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

And if my calculations are correct when Alaska gets called he'll have the necessary votes. And Alaska's not a battleground state so.... 5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment should we mention the senate and congress races too in the blurb? NYtimes has "called" senate for the republicans arleady 5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Pretty clear winner by now, like it or not. Hungry403 (talk) 07:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Support: Most conservative (not in the right-wing sense) projections have placed Trump 3-4 votes away from securing a re-election. Harris would need to win every uncalled state despite most of them projecting a Trump victory (and includes Alaska which hasn't voted for a Democrat in 60 years). I'd rather take our chances with a "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment at this point. PolarManne (talk) 07:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Support all reliable sources have called PA and GA. It's only a formality before they call Alaska - which would give Trump a win. I expect the call will go out before this ITN is posted. Juxlos (talk) 07:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Wait for RSes to call 270. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support very clear that Trump win Tensa Februari (talk) 08:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Respected world leaders such as Volodymyr Zelenskyy have already congratulated Trump on his victory. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM (talk) 08:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Moral support – The 2024 United States presidential election article hasn't been updated to project a Trump win due to the RfC discussion requiring unanimous projections from an assortment of sources, which other than AP are arguably arbitrarily limited to traditional television news networks. ITN is not going to say anything which the article does not say, so we would have to follow the RfC consensus. But I trust Decision Desk HQ, and they have called the race for Trump, so it's a matter of time before the sources we require for race calls call the race for Trump. Here's to another 4 years of chaos, I'm afraid. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  That's the standard for the article. This is in the news. And the headline on BBC is that "Donald Trump declares victory". Maybe that should be our headline too. Nfitz (talk) Nfitz (talk) 09:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for similar reasons outlined by feminist🩸 above - the article has not been updated to show who the winner is. For everyone above who has voted support - have you actually read the article before voicing your support? Chrisclear (talk) 08:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  It's a little difficult to update when the article is fully protected. — hako9 (talk) 09:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  I mean, I get it, but it's not like we've never posted an election without full results in the article, and with how things get "called", technically an official result isn't coming until after the calls. DarkSide830 (talk) 09:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  Technically, an official result doesn't come until January 6th. We shouldn't wait until then either. Nfitz (talk) 09:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Needs work Revisiting this now we're allowed to discuss it again, I just read through the current lead of the nominated article. This mainly covers Biden and Trump but has very little about Harris and doesn't even mention third party candidates like Kennedy. It should have more about the campaign events like the debates and polling swings and more about the actual voting results. The general history of Biden and Trump and their flaws is less directly relevant and needs trimming to make space for better election coverage.

But now I see that this work isn't going to get done in a timely fashion because the article is fully protected and so editing will slow to a crawl. This seems to be a major quality issue. ITN is supposed to "emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource" and this locking shows it to be otherwise.

I was wondering whether Donald Trump might be the bold article in the blurb, to work around the locking. But that article needs work too. Its lead only seems to have one sentence about this election campaign and its result and so badly needs updating too.

Andrew🐉(talk) 09:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - alternative blurb that we can post now, and does appear to be the lead story on non-American news agencies. "Donald Trump Declared Victory in USA 2024 election". Nfitz (talk) 09:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  This is great, i think you should go with that. 5.44.170.181 (talk) 10:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wait - Article needs to be properly put up to date on the results and events before being blurbed, which might take a while due to it being fully protected for now. Would support once done. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Usually, I would support posting election results right after the election, but I actually think it would be better to wait until Inauguration Day to post something like this. I will guarantee you that this will be nominated on January 20, so I think from now on, it's better to wait until inauguration day right when the president is sworn in. Interstellarity (talk) 10:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  That is definitely an interesting take. --Bongwarrior (talk) 10:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  I think the only delayed postings are sometimes when the swearing-in is only days away. —Bagumba (talk) 11:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. WI has been called for Trump almost unanimously. DarkSide830 (talk) 10:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Wisconsin has been called in his favor, therefore he crosses 270 mark and I think it should be posted now with the Alt Blurb II. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 10:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support now that AP has called the election. Anarchyte (talk) 10:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: AP, ABC, CNN, NBC, and the BBC have all called it for Trump. Consensus among major news outlets has developed. PolarManne (talk) 10:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support ITNR and article is uo to par. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 10:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. Sam Walton (talk) 11:00, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - why remove mention of the Republicans taking the Senate? --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

This was because of a discussion at WP:ERRORS. Natg 19 (talk) 01:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Pull - we should wait until Inauguration Day to post this. Interstellarity (talk) 13:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Huh? We always post election results, so don't know why Trump should be an exception. Natg 19 (talk) 18:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Post-posting support - We just posted Maia Sandu's election as President of Moldova, which was undoubtably much smaller news than this. I see no reason to pull Donald Trump's election as President of the United States. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

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