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- Fatoora Platform (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The topic in question lacks sufficient notability to warrant a standalone article. It does not meet the necessary criteria for independently significant under Wikipedia's notability guidelines WP:GNG or WP:SNG. Either the article should be deleted or merge with with the relevant parent article, Zakat, Tax and Customs Authority. Charlie (talk) 13:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- I respectfully disagree with the proposal to delete the Fatoora Platform page, as it meets Wikipedia’s notability guidelines under both WP:GNG and subject-specific notability.
- 1. Independent Sources: The platform has been covered by reliable, independent sources such as PwC, Deloitte, KPMG, and Saudi Gazette, which provide significant analysis on its implementation and role in tax compliance within Saudi Arabia. These sources establish the platform's notability as they are independent, non-promotional, and provide in-depth coverage.
- 2. Impact: Fatoora is integral to Saudi Vision 2030, a major national reform program, and plays a critical role in digital transformation and tax regulation in the country. It impacts millions of businesses and has been recognized as a significant development in Saudi Arabia’s economic modernization.
- 3. Notability Compliance: The article is well-supported by both primary and independent sources, fulfilling the criteria outlined in WP:GNG. The platform's wide-reaching impact, both locally and internationally, demonstrates its significance.
- For these reasons, I believe the article should be retained. Njoy deep (talk) 05:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Paradise Lost (Inal Bilsel album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Declined A9. Even though the artist has no article, and notability appears to be lacking as well. CycloneYoris talk! 21:30, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Thomas Edward Seymour (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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If you cut through the excessive promotional language and the name-dropping that has no connection to the subject's direct work, what we have here is a non-notable filmmaker who made a few obscure films. A few of the filmmaker's movies have their own articles, but I will leave the notability of those articles to another editor. With this article, I am under the belief that Mr Seymour himself does not appear to meet the basic level of WP:BIO requirements. And Adoil Descended (talk) 21:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Gsearch is social media, his university, Rotten Tomatoes, imdb, then off into un-RS. Hardly any hits in Gnews. I suppose being mentioned in the one book could be important for notability, but there is nothing else to support notability. Oaktree b (talk) 21:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Khalifah Al-Yaqout (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Page which was previously PROD'd by Ravenswing which was removed by an IP user without any attempt to justify. He does not appear to be notable, and a quick spot check indicates that many of the sources are direct primary, i.e. by him, and that others do not validate the claims made such as being a consultant. Highly promo, I don't see notability. Ldm1954 (talk) 21:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Dejan Crnomarković (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Rejected draft. The included sources are of poor quality, and I couldn't find any others on Google. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:41, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- nb I just linked it to the sr-wiki page, which appears to have additional references (I haven't checked them). -- asilvering (talk) 20:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Old Corsican (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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None of the sources used in the page are reliable when it comes to language or proving this is a separate language from "modern" Corsican. Searching found a few user generated website discussions and usage of the phrase "old corsican" in contexts unrelated to language. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:40, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Lisec ambush (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not appear to be a notable ambush. All of the CNN sources that were used as sources appear to be dead. I think the content of the article can be merged into other related articles (2001 insurgency in Macedonia and National Liberation Army (Macedonia)) if other sources are found anyway. StephenMacky1 (talk) 20:30, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- New York City Guitar School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is one of the best efforts I've seen at a Wikipedia article that passes the "eye test" most of us give articles. Formatted correctly, a bunch of references, looks legit! It was written by an employee (exact name of the Wikipedia article creator listed as employee) which doesn't inherently mean it's unacceptable for Wikipedia, but it is an undisclosed WP:COI and means the article was written as self-promotion. So I looked at the sources and none really checked out.
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Example
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Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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1, 9, 11, 12. NYC Guitar school website | Self-published | ? | ✘ No | |
2. NY Daily News | Labelled advertisement | ✘ No | ||
3. Gamespot | Source makes no mention of this school | ✘ No | ||
4, 10. timeout.com | ? | ? | Schedule/directory listing with prices, promotional in nature, no meaningful coverage | ✘ No |
5. Madscience.org | ? | ? | 1-sentence passing mention on a business blog | ✘ No |
6. NEA | Coverage is limited to a 2-paragraph quote promoting the school | ✘ No | ||
7. Guitar Aficionado | Does not mention NYC Guitar School | ✘ No | ||
8. Guitar Nation | ? | NYC Guitar School mentioned in passing as the sponsor of an event | ✘ No | |
13. Pursue the Passion | ? | Blog article written by NYC Guitar School employee | ✘ No | |
14. Forbes contributor | ? | WP:FORBESCON | ✘ No | |
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}. |
So yeah. That's every source analyzed, none are independent, non-trivial coverage in a reliable source. So this article does not meet WP:NCORP. Here2rewrite (talk) 20:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Maz Maz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I declined speedy deletion, but clearly enough doubt as to notability as to warrant at least nominating for deletion for lack of notability. Safiel (talk) 19:32, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Created as promo by a single-purpose account. Very poorly sourced - sources include their own website, a deadlink to Alibaba, a defunct business directory, a trademark database and what appears to be an Iranian PR Newswire. Fails WP:ORGCRIT as lacking "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." AusLondonder (talk) 19:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Karine Babajanyan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Lacks inline citations. Sources listed mostly lack independence from the subject. Not clear that the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 16:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - musician who has toured widely in major soprano roles. The article needs work, but it’s not so bad it needs to be Re-created from scratch. Bearian (talk) 19:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Rostov-on-Don pre-trial detention center hostage crisis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Seems to fail WP:NEVENT, specifically the lasting part. I cannot find any continued coverage of this event in English, or any secondary source for that matter. It is possible some exists in Russian or under a name different to the title. Traumnovelle (talk) 18:54, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep haven't done too deep of a dive (i guess more of a week keep, I'm pretty sure this is notable though) but with a quick search I found this article from only 4 days ago, reflecting on the consequences of the hostage taking. There's definitely more but this shows continued coverage and consequences for NEVENT PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Six5Six (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP. References are routine announcements and churnalism. CNMall41 (talk) 19:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- William John Veale (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable teacher/secondary school administrator. Both sources in-article are affiliated with the subject's school. Having an MBE, the lowest and most common class within the Order, is not considered a WP:ANYBIO #1 pass on its own. No additional qualifying sources for WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, or WP:NACADEMIC come up in WP:BEFORE search. (I would have draftified this page, but since it was created 11 months ago as the page creator's sandbox but only moved to mainspace today, it's not eligible for draftification and AfD it is.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom, no notability criteria are met. LizardJr8 (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. A worthy contributor to his society but WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
- Nezar Kadhem (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Mildly WP:PROMO biography (by a now-blocked sockmaster) of a businessman fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO. The sources are all WP:PRIMARYSOURCES, WP:INTERVIEWS, WP:TRADES publications and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of the subject in the context of coverage of his company. Nothing else comes up in a WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- 2024 state visit by Kais Saied to China (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There is no indication of notability for this visit. The sources are almost entirely government press releases and should be more WP:DIVERSE for independent notability. The page should be deleted and perhaps parts merged into the main Kais Saied article. Amigao (talk) 13:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- KEEP - Kais Saied is the President of Tunisia. This is an official State visit and as such, notability is an extremely big deal. I linked an independent English language source (2024 China-United States Exchange Foundation) under External links. I also linked a Brookings Institution commentary under External Links. They're building valuable contacts in a world that seems to be exploding, "Although there is no visible alienation between Tunisia and the European Union, the gradual distancing between Tunisia and the United States has become increasingly apparent." — Maile (talk) 00:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep, with no prejudice against a merge to the very empty China–Tunisia relations. The coverage and arguments provided by Maile to me, indicate that this event is likely to be notable (but not guaranteed) under WP:GEOSCOPE. I can see a benefit for having a summary of the event merged into the China-Tunisia relations article, (lack of analysis by secondary sources leaves this article as mostly a summary of what each government said about the event) but I view that more as an editorial decision than an AFD one. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 21:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merging this into the almost empty China–Tunisia relations makes sense. - Amigao (talk) 00:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- The more I'm thinking about it, the more it makes sense. The two countries have diplomatic relations, but they seem very minimal. Documenting the visit in that article would help provide a clearer picture to the readers - especially because my keep vote is based more on the fact that I think secondary sources analysing this event are more likely going to exist in the near future than not. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 19:00, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merging this into the almost empty China–Tunisia relations makes sense. - Amigao (talk) 00:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- KEEP Kais Saied is the president of Tunisia, and the president's visit to China in 2024 has brought diplomatic relations to the level of a "strategic partnership", meaning that future communication between the two sides will no longer be limited to the central government, but can be decentralized to the level of provincial and municipal cooperation, with direct cooperation in trade and military affairs as well. The same applies to direct cooperation in trade and military matters. China–Tunisia relations for sure, I think it could be worth significantly upgrading the content, and I will add it soon. TinaLees-Jones (talk) 14:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to China–Tunisia relations. This is a news article and lacks proper coverage, absolutely no reason for it to have its own article independently of the main subject. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 07:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Aaragan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article does not meet WP:GNG as no in-depth coverage of the subject has been found from reliable independent sources. The cited sources are mostly unreliable, and the reliable sources only provide passing mentions. Additionally, the article fails to meet WP:NFILM. It could potentially be recreated if multiple reviews from reliable independent sources are published after its release. GrabUp - Talk 12:01, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- no issue i will move draft Monhiroe (talk) 12:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: kindly move to draft Monhiroe (talk) 13:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Draftify. WP:TOOSOON and per nom. Sources are poor to unreliable with no significant coverage. Maybe after the release of the film, some sources with reviews and other significant coverage might come forth, and then the page can either be recreated or reedited with sources that meet secondary independent reliability criteria. For now fails WP:NFILM and WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus (talk) 12:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The creator himself had reDrafted it so that Draftification although not procedurally standard seemed pretty consensual among all contributors. This is therefore a (fair) procedural AfD and a consensus seems easy to reach if the creator confirms he agrees to Draftification. @Monhiroe:: what do you say? (Announced release on October, 4) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- done @Mushy Yank Monhiroe (talk) 15:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- My apologies and thanks! You had already done it indeed. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- done @Mushy Yank Monhiroe (talk) 15:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Monhiroe Mushy Yank, please page should not be moved to draft while this AFD is in place. RangersRus (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- ?? I never said to move it during AfD and am rather aware we should wait for a close, mind you; just trying to make sure we can reach consensus as you can see if you read my comment with attention. Please amend your comment, thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- ??? Why are you making big fuss about it? It is just a general comment. RangersRus (talk) 17:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why I am not surprised by your reply? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- ??? Why are you making big fuss about it? It is just a general comment. RangersRus (talk) 17:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- ?? I never said to move it during AfD and am rather aware we should wait for a close, mind you; just trying to make sure we can reach consensus as you can see if you read my comment with attention. Please amend your comment, thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Yeah, we should wait until the release, as we can see that the release changed the outcome of this AfD. GrabUp - Talk 09:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for that relist. Release is announced for October 4 so hopefully coverage coming in less than 3 days. Since we are here, can I !vote Relist 1 more time so that probably upcoming sources can be added? Thanks. https://www.cinemaexpress.com/tamil/news/2024/Sep/26/michael-thangadurai-starrer-aaragan-gets-a-release-datehttps://www.cinemaexpress.com/tamil/news/2024/Sep/28/mai-chirai-from-aaragan-out (If Relist is not a valid AfD vote, count it as a temporary procedural K !vote, please). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Socialist Alternatives (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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When I stumbled across this article, I was quickly struck by how many of the cited sources were the Socialist Alternatives magazine itself, making up more than half of the cited sources. Then I noticed quite a few citations were to self-published wordpress blogs, which wasn't encouraging. The Encyclopedia of British and Irish Political Organizations doesn't give much more detail other than it being the short-lived British section of the IRMT, and gestures at a couple other organisations it may have been connected to.
What is left over then are mostly sources about Keir Starmer's relationship to the magazine. When I looked up Socialist Alternatives on Google Scholar, I likewise only found biographies of Starmer. I haven't been able to find significant coverage of the group/magazine itself.
Given all this, I'm unconvinced that this group/publication is independently notable. Its only significant coverage in reliable sources are about its connection with someone that became important decades after his involvement with the group. As such, I'm proposing it for deletion; I'm not sure whether the articles on the IRMT or Starmer himself would be more appropriate redirect targets. Grnrchst (talk) 10:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - If Wikipedia was around in the late 1980s or 1990s then this magazine\political tendency would easily meet notability criteria - it was an active political group and it managed to get a good number of the British left to contribute, including Tony Benn, Ralph Miliband and Hilary Wainwright. The person "that became important decades after his involvement with the group" was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom - and it's not unusual that large articles like Keir Starmer's will tend to have "sub articles". The basic argument for suppressing pages about movements that were notable once was that they didn't last - but even though I'd argue that Starmer's not the only reason we should keep the article, his political development as currently the most powerful single person in the UK is a sufficient reason. (It should also be noted that "half the sources are internal, misses out that there are currently 11 external sources, so it seems externally notable). JASpencer (talk) 20:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per JASpencer. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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- L'Opus Dei: enquête sur le "monstre" (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The only usable source here is La Libre, which is not sigcov and is not enough. Found 1 other journal source that looks good (though I question its independence). Redirect to author Patrice de Plunkett? PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep There seem to be a number of reviews and coverage in French, until we can say otherwise I think we can assume that there is enough coverage outside the english language. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Horse Eye's Back No reliable, significant ones to my awareness. None found in a search of French media sources either. Every French source used here is a blog, or passing mention. Or has no independence from the Opus Dei, which obviously has a COI here. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- For context, the sources used inline are linking to the ones in the further reading. These sources are four interviews with blogs, all affiliated with Da Vinci Code conspiracies or the Opus Dei, and the brief La Libre mention. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: There doesn't seem to be any coverage in French... I tried the title with "critique" or "revue critique"... you can get a thousand places to buy it, see where it's held in libraries... This was all I could find that even mentions it [1]... The subject of Ops Dei is mentioned here, but not specifically about the book [2]. Oaktree b (talk) 23:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Oaktree b For future reference the word usually used for (well, some, typically academic reviews) book reviews in French is compte rendu. There is one review I found while searching that phrase but I think it's from an Opus Dei affiliated publication so questionable independence. Even if its not, it's only one. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the correction... I'm not using my French as much as I should, it gets jumbled with the English in my head. Oaktree b (talk) 00:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Recommended reading here [3], but there isn't much coverage of the book. Oaktree b (talk) 00:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thoughts on a redirect? PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose we could redirect to the author, his name comes up enough in searches. Oaktree b (talk) 16:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thoughts on a redirect? PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Recommended reading here [3], but there isn't much coverage of the book. Oaktree b (talk) 00:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the correction... I'm not using my French as much as I should, it gets jumbled with the English in my head. Oaktree b (talk) 00:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Oaktree b For future reference the word usually used for (well, some, typically academic reviews) book reviews in French is compte rendu. There is one review I found while searching that phrase but I think it's from an Opus Dei affiliated publication so questionable independence. Even if its not, it's only one. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Apocalypse: From Us (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NALBUM. Redirect was reverted DonaldD23 talk to me 14:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Dreamcatcher (group): found no additional coverage. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think this will be better redirect to Dreamcatcher_discography#Extended_plays. Agree? RangersRus (talk) 21:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: as it has enough sources in Korean articles be it in Naver, Daum, or Nate. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 13:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Can you provide a link to these articles so they can be assessed? DonaldD23 talk to me 19:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Dreamcatcher_discography#Extended_plays. Poor sources on the page with no significant coverage. RangersRus (talk) 21:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- As the person who revert the initial deletion/redirect, I should probably comment as well (especially since the lack of discussion was the reason for my revert). I'm not familiar with how these discussions usually go, but going off the list provided in WP:NALBUM, I'd say it passes on at least the second of the criteria, since the album has appeared on the Korean "Circle Album Chart" recording a highest position of #7. The article also has several references which would allow it to pass the first criteria, but there's also references in there which I would not consider reliable or independent (KTown4u for example is an online store, not a reliable news outlet). Whether this is enough too keep the article, I leave for other editors to decide.DragonFury (talk) 16:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete as per nom.Keep as per DragonFury. The article needs fixing though. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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- @MetropolitanIC The charting #7 is supported by this located inside Citation #8 in Dreamcatcher discography. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the pointer, I appreciate it.
- I'll be voting keep per this ranking. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 08:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @MetropolitanIC The charting #7 is supported by this located inside Citation #8 in Dreamcatcher discography. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Selva Erdener (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article uses zero independent sources with significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 15:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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Proceduralkeep: I'll try to find sources if I can, but for now I suggest aproceduralkeep since this is a very low-effort nomination for an opera singer whose name I can recognize. See: WP:NEXIST, WP:BEFORE TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 20:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- Here is one source, from Hıncal Uluc's column. Many more search hits exist, but one needs to sift through them to identify SIGCOV. In addition, the SNG about musicians is likely to be satisfied here, due to concerts and records from notable firms.TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 03:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @TheJoyfulTentmaker That's not a valid argument for a procedural close per WP:PCLOSE. If you think that there is WP:SIGCOV, then by all means provide evidence of it here. That is what an WP:AFD discussion is for. Better yet, take time to improve the article. You may vote a straight keep based on policy but is there is no procedural argument to be made here.4meter4 (talk) 04:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Lack of reliable sources for biography. Molochmeditates (talk) 15:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, although I do not like that the second source (Invisibilities) does not seem to actual be from Wall Street International. Otherwise, the article appears to include several international, significante sources.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 16:06, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Doesn't meet WP:NACADEMIC. Esprit15d • talk • contribs 15:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No indication of her work making a significant impact. Mentioned in only in a journal or two being interviewed and isn't cited much. OzzyOlly (talk) 17:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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No reliable sources. Obviously promotional. - RichT|C|E-Mail 13:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:GNG and or WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. In its current form the article is at best having zero citation because all references in it are primary and mostly do not even mention him. Piscili (talk) 14:12, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom and above comment - I cannot find significant coverage of this person or even his company. The article mixes them both, and neither has a lot written about them from independent sources. I might have been convinced to keep it if the awards were personal to the subject, but looking through them it seems that they don't make any in-depth discussion of his contributions. Reads more like a CV than an encyclopedia article. LizardJr8 (talk) 19:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Not notable, fails to meet WP:GNG and involves conflict of interest with article contributors. Yesterday "Bangladeshi Football Ultras" posted on Facebook page about the team involved of the article, they mentioned some users (may be they are User:Syfullah Nabil, User:মোহাম্মদ জনি হোসেন, User:Mehedi Abedin, User:Mr Kazi Tuhin & others according to mentioned name on post) but the post deleted today[1] Post Archive link [2] Post screenshot link [3] added . The article creator commented on the post & thanked to User:অনুরাগ (may be) & others. I think the article is a part of advertising and promotion.
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- Brother this is not a promotion or paid editing. Don't delete this article. Syfullah Nabil (talk) 15:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- In this facebook post, they literally thanked you (& others) for creating the wikipedia article and said "Thank you to the whole team behind it, who are still working" and then you commented & said "I am proud to make this contribution to Bangladeshi Football Ultras". You should disclose any relationship you have with them. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 16:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- This article may be removed if significant policy violations occur but this is not a promotion or paid editing. For notability, there should be at least three independent sources based on only about the topic and there are 2 references from prothom alo and 1 reference from banglanews24vonly writen on the topic. According to this criteria the article is quite surely notable. Md Joni Hossain (talk) 15:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The article has some refs, but all of them are basically interview masquerading as article, WP:PRIMARY. There is no significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, fails WP:GNG. In this facebook they thanked Prothom Alo, the same way they thanked some wiki user for creating their wikipedia article. I won't be surprised if those news articles are also paid news. It is quite evident that serious WP:Canvassing involved from Bangladeshi Football Ultras. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 16:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I am here not to vote on the deletion discussion, but to clarify my situation and stance. I was not in the team who created the article, and actually I have no connection with these people mentioned on the post (but I know মোহাম্মদ জনি হোসেন). I didn’t create the article, also I didn’t expand or make significant contributions on the article. What I did is I added categories on the article as a routine work. My routine work is to see for new articles from WikiProject Bangladesh and create talk page and add categories to them if needed. And if needed, I also make some edits to correct article contents. That's what I did for Bangladeshi Football Ultras. I noticed that the "External Links" section was not on the bottom so I edited the page to move it. Then I noticed that the article needs categories so I added them (see my edits: 1, 2 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8). They are all part of my routine work. But yes of course if I realize that any certain article may be deleted soon then I choose not to edit them sometimes. But I didn’t realize that this page could be one of them, so I edited it. And I have nothing to do with that "team". Looks like these people are under wrong impression or they don't understand what the teamwork really is. Mehedi Abedin 16:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Also, I want to add another thing here, before the creation of the article, মোহাম্মদ জনি হোসেন asked me on Messenger app that if the subject is notable in Wikipedia or not. Aside this, we both have no conversation about Bangladeshi Football Ultras. Mehedi Abedin 16:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – No notability or anything that justifies encyclopedic content. Svartner (talk) 20:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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The sources used are from organization websites that have a direct connection to the subject. No independent sources are used. Not clear that the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 23:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- comment @4meter4: isn't it excessive to add such amount of maintenance tags, especially just before nominating for deletion? Pelmeen10 (talk) 19:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Out of experience, I find it useful to tag problems relevant to an AFD to help guide talking points in an AFD discussion. It may aid article improvements during an AFD if a rescue is attempted, or it helps others identify sourcing problems that may confirm a lack of notability. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Some sources I managed to find: appearances on national TV and radio [5] (not original but appearance in ETV+), [6] [7] (Raadio 4) and reviews on Sirp [8] [9] and marriage. I made the search with "Maria Veretenina", but the search should be done in Russian, I think "Марии Веретениной". First results from that: long interview and another interview on Postimees but needs a paid subscription. There are more, but this should be enough to confirm it passes GNG. Pelmeen10 (talk) 20:03, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep in view of the sources identified above by Pelmeen10 which confirm national TV and radio performances and the Sirp reviews, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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- keep as my comment before didn't include a vote. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest not using the term "vote" in AfD's. Shadow311 (talk) 00:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Played 16 matches in Korea 15 years ago. Lack of sources to meet WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Being mentioned in WP:PASSING as one of tens of players that were banned in doesn't bring him over the bar. Geschichte (talk) 13:17, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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No compliance with WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 292 minutes in the K League, as well as briefly in lower divisions. Geschichte (talk) 13:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I've found this article on Edaily that discusses him being appointed interim coach. (a few sites have copied this story so I don't know if this is the original or not) this one from the Chosun Ilbo focuses more on a high school winning a national championship and only talks about Ahn earning an award, plus a comment from him. Not sure if it's WP:TRIVIAL or not. Overall, I don't think there's enough SIGCOV to warrant an article. OzzyOlly (talk) 18:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Aviation accidents in Japan involving U.S. military and government aircraft post-World War II (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NLIST Launchballer 13:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete does not meet WP:SAL. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep Appears to meet WP:SAL.
One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list.
Aviation accidents in Japan involving U.S. military and government aircraft have been discussed as a group eg. [10], [11] Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Lacks independent coverage outside of WP:TRADES. Fails WP:NCORP. Gheus (talk) 14:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --Mind-blowing blow (talk) 07:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep even if the company fails notability, the regulatory action that was taken against it in Australia is a notable event. Sargdub (talk) 05:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's an... interesting argument Sargdub. Do you mean notable in the colloquial sense, or do you mean in the NEVENTS sense, despite such coverage being typically considered WP:ROUTINE (see also WP:ILLCON)? Even if the event is notable, that would not support an article on the company. Alpha3031 (t • c) 05:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep significant coverage / The Wall Street Journal. 181.197.42.215 (talk) 05:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I can only find coverage of CEOs leaving the company, funding and other routine business items, on what look like less than RS websites. I don't see much in the current sourcing we can use either. Oaktree b (talk) 15:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Media sources and coverage focus on the founder Miranda Kerr, so the article lacks significant coverage and notability. 美しい歌 (talk) 13:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete -- already mentioned in Miranda Kerr article, and there is not sufficient independent coverage about the company to merit a standalone article. At least, not yet. LizardJr8 (talk) 19:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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As far as I can see, this article has been repeatedly edited in a promotional manner. I've gone a long way back to look for a revision that is worth retaining and I can't find one. I'm not even convinced of notability. If it's staying, it needs a complete rewrite Deb (talk) 13:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: She writes quite a bit, with numerous bylines found. This [12] is about her, this talks about an award [13], but it's rather brief. I don't see much else we can use for sourcing. Article is very PROMO as it stands. Oaktree b (talk) 13:17, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Outside MtG, individual sets of CCGs are almost never notable, and I don't see why this should be an exception. Maybe merge the mention of awards to Vampire: The Eternal Struggle if it is not there and redirect this per WP:ATD-R? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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This band doesn't appear to be notable. There's an AllMusic biography and an AllMusic review of their only album. Most of the sources used in the article don't even mention the band, and PlugInMusic doesn't seem to be a reliable source. toweli (talk) 12:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Yet another completely uncited article about a defunct Turkish political party. Although I found https://ceres.isp.msu.edu/index.php/download_file/view/490/335/ that is not enough to show notability Chidgk1 (talk) 11:48, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect I don't think this party is notable enough to have its own article, you can probably redirect it to Liberalism in Turkey.
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- Redirect I’d suggest to Bedrettin Dalan where it’s mentioned, but I’m happy with the other proposed target too. Mccapra (talk) 16:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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The primary citations center around the IPO listing and fundraising efforts. Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in WP:LISTED (or any other) case. At the time of this nomination, an agency had withdrawn a credit rating, and no analyst reports existed on the web. Fails to meet WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. TCBT1CSI (talk) 08:33, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: The Nominator is doing nothing except marking the pages up for the deletion. They should read and understand the basics of Notability first. The subject passes the guidelines. Faizi Dehlvi (talk) 15:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- If you are familiar with the notability guidelines, would you mind adding them here by conducting a WP:SIRS? Discard IPO related news due to WP:CHURN, feel free to use anything else instead. TCBT1CSI (talk) 09:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Subject certain could be notable, but the sources aren't helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 12:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: besides the IPO and funding announcements, there isn't much else to be found. They've hired a CEO... All I find are routine business announcements. What's now used in the article doesn't help notability. Oaktree b (talk) 12:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- St. Vincent's Home for the Aged (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails NORG. The article contains WP:OR and appears promotional. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 04:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep: Given that there are some sources with definite SIGCOV in English plus a handful like this that provide partial coverage, I'm inclined towards keep. I'm not familiar with the local languages, but I'd hazard to guess that further RS SIGCOV exists. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Pbritti, SIGCOV doesn't exist in the local language, unfortunately. Courtesy ping @Wikibear47: to ask if they found coverage in local languages? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not really. Its a pretty obscure place with not much coverage. Wikibear47 (talk) 06:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Pbritti, SIGCOV doesn't exist in the local language, unfortunately. Courtesy ping @Wikibear47: to ask if they found coverage in local languages? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Can't find independent reliable coverage Wikibear47 (talk) 06:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Naygel Coffie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Created in a different time when national team play was within the guidelines; it is not anymore and I was not able to find a single article to contribute to passing WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 09:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Abu Aleeha (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The subject of this BLP may have directed a few Pakistani films, but he clearly does not meet the basic GNG or WP:SIGCOV. According to WP:BIO's additional criteria, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included.
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- Note: I've added Find Sources links for his other name above. Maybe that helps? --DanielRigal (talk) 17:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral. It seems that this was on my watchlist due to a previous version that got deleted. I don't remember that at all so I'm looking at this as if I was seeing the subject's name(s) for the first time. There is some notability here but I'm not sure whether it is enough. The Google News hits show multiple sources talking about his movies and, to some extent, about him. His films exist and they get reviewed, sometimes quite poorly, so it is not just puffery. I can't easily tell which sources are Reliable though. There has been controversy about one of the films which may even have been banned to some extent. Based on the English language hits I'm very much on the fence. It's not an obvious delete but I don't see enough to say keep either. I Google translated the Urdu version of the article to see if there was anything there that was helpful but it doesn't say much of anything and none of the sources there look any better than the ones here. If an Urdu speaker was to search for better sources then they might or might not find something that pushes this over the line to a keep. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: A clear WP:DIRECTOR and WP:CREATIVE pass with multiple films written and directed, that received significant critical coverage- -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Should delete due to a lack of significant coverage and reliable sources, which could indicate that it does not meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Additionally, if the content is deemed to be too promotional or lacking in verifiable information Jiaoriballisse (talk) 10:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, notable for an article as it passes WP:GNG. It is clear that WP:BEFORE was not conducted before putting up this article for deletion. Sources are available[14][15][16][17]. Piscili (talk) 15:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Not notable space startup with trivial mentions and with no relialbe independent non-trivial media coverage required by WP:NCORP. Taking off shortly (talk) 10:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: hardly any coverage of this company in French media sources. Some interviews with people that work there, but mostly press releases. What's used in the article now isn't helpful either. Oaktree b (talk) 12:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 14:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per lack of WP:SIGCOV in RS. Piscili (talk) 15:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I created this article. I agree that SpaceAble's notability can be questioned. James Tamim (talk) 16:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Not notable startup with PR news, wire and trivial mentions and with no relialbe independent non-trivial media coverage required by WP:NCORP. Per WP BEFORE only trivial mentions appear Taking off shortly (talk) 10:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Obvious keep. There are more than enough RS proving notability over at fr.wp to save the flying whales. Nominator has been warned on their UTP for failure to make even a perfunctory check for RS before making nominations. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 11:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:NCORP. Piscili (talk) 15:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Not notable organization with no relialbe independent non-trivial media coverage required by WP:NCORP. Primary sources mainly. If to make WP BEFORE -- only trivial mentions appear Taking off shortly (talk) 10:32, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, based on non-trivial coverage...
- Malga, Paul (7 May 2020). "CNIM, fleuron français de la mécanique de précision, est en vente". Les Echos (in French).
- Malga, Paul (19 January 2021). "Foule de repreneurs dans la vente à la découpe de Cnim". Les Echos (in French).
- "Paprec reprend des activités de la Cnim à la Seyne-sur-Mer". Le Figaro (in French). 5 April 2022.
- "Groupe Reel reprend Cnim Systèmes Industriels". Les Echos (in French). 3 October 2022.
- -- -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 10:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Per SashiRolls. This article has a chance to become larger and better.
- IMMMMMMMM ENCAMS 12:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per newly added sources to the discussion. Clear not following WP Before. Prone to fails (talk) 14:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Not notable organization with no relialbe independent non-trivial media coverage required by WP:NCORP. Primary sources mainly. If to make WP BEFORE -- only trivial mentions appear Taking off shortly (talk) 10:32, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Not notable organization with no relialbe independent non-trivial media coverage required by WP:NCORP. I did my best to find sources WP BEFORE but I was not lucky enough to find reliable - only trivial mentions Taking off shortly (talk) 10:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Obvious Keep... this user appears to be copy-pasting the same AfD to stubs that are simply not yet developed in en.wp but which have clearly notable subjects. Cf. fr:Groupe 1981 for multiple RS. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 11:06, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Not notable organization with no relialbe independent non-trivial media coverage required by WP:NCORP. The best sources are Forbes contributor - deprecated not allowed self-published sources Taking off shortly (talk) 10:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Cases where /ɛ/ and /ɔ/ are found in Western Catalan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Is Wikipedia supposed to be a pronunciation guide for every dialect in the world? Western Catalan doesn't even have a separate article here. Fram (talk) 09:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- The article is based on Valencian, which has its own standard although I named it after Western Catalan. It's a quick guide to find when open /ɛ/ and /ɔ/ are found since some users confuse them in the transcriptions of Catalan and Valencian across Wikipedia. I think there is no harm keeping it. English has a lot of dialectal variation and lots of articles about mergers and splits of different vowels, so why couldn't Catalan have a table about the frequencies of open e and o. — Jɑuмe (dis-me) 09:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Since Western Catalan doesn't have an article (yet) I'll rename it to "Cases where /ɛ/ and /ɔ/ are found in Valencian" as according to sources. — Jɑuмe (dis-me) 10:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: article is only sources to one book; I've found a few others [18] and [19]. This still seems a bit too specialized for wiki, might be better at wiktionary, but we have enough sourcing if we decide to let it stay here. Oaktree b (talk) 12:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, zero evidence of notability, even after looking at the above sources. At most, this would warrant a sentence or two in an (as of yet nonexistent) article on Western Catalan phonology, and certainly not an exhaustive list of words. Even the sources provided give understandably brief mentions of this particular sound among others used in the dialect, with no indication that this is some special topic of such interest on its own as to warrant in-depth discussion. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 12:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- We could try to add the rest of Catalan dialects and also include the correspondences of stressed schwa in Balearic. — Jɑuмe (dis-me) 16:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or transwiki per WP:NOTDICT. Nardog (talk) 13:57, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I know it's not a dictionary, the article could be reorientated towards a different direction and speak about the difference in the vowel system. I think Spanish has an article about the lisp and the medieval readjustament of sibilants (Phonological history of Spanish coronal fricatives), which is similar to the evolution of the sounds of this article in Catalan, we'd just need to add further information about the stressed schwa of Balearic and the correspondent /ɛ/ in Central Catalan and /e/ in Western. This readjusrment takes place from mediaeval Catalan and I think it's quite relevant to leave it on Wikipedia. — Jɑuмe (dis-me) 16:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. As I said it could be useful including these topics on Wikipedia. We could change the article to Phonological history of Catalan vowels. What do you think? — Jɑuмe (dis-me) 16:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Balearic Catalan stressed /e/ (/ɛ/ in Central Eastern Catalan), which arose through the merging of Classical Latin /eː/ (ē) and /ɪ/ (ĭ), has been replaced by schwa highly systematically irrespective of syllable type, word position and length and the articulatory properties of the contextual consonants (Balearic [plə] plēnu 'full').
- V. M. Munuswamy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Challenged Draftification: After conducting notability checks, I found that the article does not meet any notability criteria. It fails WP:GNG due to the lack of WP:SIGCOV from secondary sources, it fails WP:NPOL as the subject is not an elected official in a notable office, and it fails WP:ANYBIO as there are no significant awards or recognitions. Additionally, freedom fighters are not inherently notable. GrabUp - Talk 08:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Does not meet notability requirements. Piscili (talk) 16:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Created by user known to make articles of political movements with questionable notability. Google search shows two different instances of the movement (back in 2006, and one again regarding Ahok). Neither seems to be a sustained movement. Probably could be notable if there's some other activities but not in current state. Nyanardsan (talk) 08:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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The claim to notability, playing 558 minutes in Singapore, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such it fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 07:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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The claim to notability, playing 8 matches in Bosnia and 138 minutes in Japan's third tier, and not even a single cup game, is very weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such it fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 07:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Seems to be a bit of a journeyman, played in Taiwan and Bosnia as well as the lower leagues of Japanese football where most of his football was in the Kyushu Soccer League which is the 5th tier of Japanese football, non-league. I had a look at the Japanese sources through the translator, but to me they are mostly WP:ROUTINE. Govvy (talk) 09:17, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – The article in Japanese has 12 sources, they were properly checked? The athlete played for modest clubs, but has an extensive career. Svartner (talk) 20:17, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Reply @Svartner: Although I didn't directly mention the Japanese wiki, those are the sources I checked. Govvy (talk) 21:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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I can find no significant or independent coverage of this bridge player, which is demanded by WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. The NYT source is not significant coverage, just a mention, and likewise the bridgewinners.com source. And the bulletin published by the American Contract Bridge League is not independent. Geschichte (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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WP:NOTINHERITED. Known only for working in other people's bands with no notability as individual musician. Sources are all primary while he's not even mentioned in Conan O'Brien's article despite their long association, so a redirect would not be recommended. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 07:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Niche event. Nothing in my article or my BEFORE suggests this has stand-alone notability (WP:GNG). Per WP:ATD-R I suggest merging this to FIRST Lego League Challenge it was a part of. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Neither the article nor my BEFORE suggests this has a stand-alone notability. Sole footnote is to Sourceforge code repository. Per WP:ATD-R I suggest a redirect to Lego Mindstorms NXT. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect per nom. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Neither the article nor my BEFORE suggests this has a stand-alone notability. Sole footnote is to Sourceforge code repository. Per WP:ATD-R I suggest a redirect to Lego Mindstorms (it is mentioned there, unlike in the Lego Spybotics). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Neither the article nor my BEFORE suggests this has a stand-alone notability. Sole footnote is to Sourceforge code repository. Per WP:ATD-R I suggest a redirect to Lego Mindstorms NXT. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Lego Mindstorms NXT – programming languages aren't inherently notable, and the reference only shows that it exists, not that it is notable DimensionalFusion (talk · she/her) 13:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Non-notable remix album that failed to chart. Does not meet WP:NALBUM. Can't find any WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG John B123 (talk) 07:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to My Anthem, its parent album, where there can be a brief mention of the remix album's existence. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:40, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Not notable per WP:NACTOR. He has not "had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." Furthermore, the sources cited in the entry lack WP:RELIABILITY.
- Uz24: It is an online portal, as clearly stated on its about page and such is not a reputable source.
- Qalampir: The article does not discuss Kayumov's work as an actor; instead, it focuses on his controversial calls for violence against women.
- Sport.uz: This unreliable blog covers Kayumov's challenge to a Kazakh MMA fighter to face off in a cage match but does not substantiate his notability.
- Hordiq: The article has been deleted.
- Savol-javob: This is a Wordpress blog with no credible standing.
- Malumot: Also a Wordpress blog (with an incorrectly spelled name).
- Uz Daily: While potentially more reliable, this article raises suspicions of paid content, as it merely lists 15 trivia points without discussing his career in any detail.
- Aniq.uz: This tabloid source reports on a video Kayumov made after allegedly being snubbed by Sitora Farmonova.
- Yuz.uz: This entry appears to be an interview, also potentially paid content, discussing Kayumov's personal plans ("to take his parents on the Hajj pilgrimage and buy a new car for his dad") rather than his career.
- Peoplenews: This online blog no longer has the entry about Kayumov available.
Additionally, Kayumov has publicly stated in a video podcast that he needed a Wikipedia entry to obtain a verified mark on his social media profiles. In the video, he states that he actively sought out local publications like Kun.uz to get articles written about him. He also mentions that in Uzbekistan, such publications can cost nearly 10,000 USD. He was negotiating to reduce this cost to 1,500-2,000 when the English Wikipedia entry was created – supposedly independently from his actions. Given that a flurry of articles were published right before his entry was created, I doubt he did not pay to have them published.
Lastly, it is worth noting that his entry has also been proposed for deletion on the Uzbek Wikipedia. Nataev talk 10:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Pradeep Aggarwal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:BLP with no WP:SECONDARY sourcing. References are routine company news. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creepTalk 10:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Might consider also reviewing/nominating Brown living as that was a redirect and now is not (and a copy of the page was deleted at Brown Living). Izno (talk) 15:15, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Article has no links at all and is promotional. Subject's company and otherwise meaningless awards also not notable. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 07:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as above. Article mixes up subject and his company, and sourcing is all primary. I cannot find better coverage that supports meeting any notability criteria. LizardJr8 (talk) 20:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Gleb Frank (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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BLP with no coverage. Reference are routine business news. Passing mentions, PR. Fails WP:SIGCOVWP:BIO. scope_creepTalk 10:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I see Forbes coverage here, not sure that's enough for the article to stand. I will do further research before casting my votes.
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- Its a passing mention. One of the reasons I posted it. scope_creepTalk 20:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I can only find mentions of the person in Seafood Source, which doesn't strike me as a RS. [20]. Delete as no sourcing found. As the nom says most sourcing is PR items. Oaktree b (talk) 13:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ibayo-Tipas (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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We have a consensus that barangays are not automatically or generally notable. Individually they may be, but this one doesn’t seem to be. The sourcing is extremely thin and contrary to what the “expand article” template suggests the article can’t be expanded from Tagalog as the Tagalog article has a single source. Mccapra (talk) 06:49, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Useless comment. What is now Taguig is an amalgamation of several old towns during the American rule in the Philippines. (The Americans consolidated many small towns into larger ones, the most famous of which is Quezon City, which was actually done by Filipinos.) This barangay is a one of the Tipas barangays; other examples are the several Bicutan, Signal, Embo barangays and the original Taguig center. I suppose someone can come up with articles for Tipas, Taguig, Signal, Taguig just like Embo, Taguig, but if no one is doing that, a redirect to Taguig#Barangays should suffice. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment support redirect as nominator and self-trout for not thinking of that in the first place. Mccapra (talk) 07:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Radio Océan/Atlantic 2000 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable defunct radio station. Fails WP:NCORP, WP:GNG. Cabrils (talk) 05:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- @Cabrils:, I disagree with you. I think the article about Radio Océan/Atlantic 2000 deserves to stay because the topic is notable due to the station being one of the main peripheric radio stations of France. It's part of the radio history. Universalis (talk) 20:14, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Universalis: It's good you express an opinion here but could you please provide evidence of its notability that supports your claims, per WP:N? This will help the decision making process. Thanks Cabrils (talk) 01:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete A search for ["Radio Océan" "Atlantic 2000" -wikipedia] in google news and google books yielded nothing indepth. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 06:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Hamas most wanted playing cards (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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It's been six months since this was last discussed and I don't find any new sourcing, beyond what was discussed at the last AfD. This appears to have been a SYNTH from various bits of news coverage... While you can find mentions of a "hit list" of sorts that the Israeli army has, it doesn't appear to be a playing card deck be coverage of a playing card deck. I've not seen coverage of this concept this past year, so nothing has changed, notability-wise. Oaktree b (talk) 03:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. WP:SYNTH does not apply. The GNG and WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE do apply. The GNG has been established and hence the article was kept in the past. See this Makor Rishon source from July 2024 as proof for CONTINUED INTEREST. gidonb (talk) 15:27, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's a better source, do you have more? Oaktree b (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- There was also negative recent attention around an error in the card deck. Article from May 2024 in Yediot Ahronot. 04:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Replaying my !vote from the last discussion, it was a crap article then and it's still a crap article now, no-one is interested in this rubbish. Selfstudier (talk) 15:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Nominator claims these are not physical playing cards. They are very physical. See for example here to see many pictures. gidonb (talk) 16:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've corrected the statement, it's the lack of sources... Oaktree b (talk) 16:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Contrary to the statement above with the nomination, there is visual evidence, stored on Wikipedia Commons, and included in the article itself, of this being a real playing card deck. Moreover, as the individuals originally identified in the deck of cards continue to have changes to the status column of the article, the lasting effect and import of the cards continues to grow (WP:EFFECT). Coining (talk) 01:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Correction: I mean there doesn't appear to be coverage of the cards. I know they exist, we've seen photos of them. Oaktree b (talk) 16:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've amended the nomination; due to a lack of sources, not the fact that the exist, that we're debating here. Oaktree b (talk) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Correction: I mean there doesn't appear to be coverage of the cards. I know they exist, we've seen photos of them. Oaktree b (talk) 16:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above. We won't know of lasting impact until maybe years from now.VR (Please ping on reply) 04:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's a CRYSTALBALL, doesn't really help. Oaktree b (talk) 16:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oaktree b, Why is that CRYSTALBALL? VR says that we should consider lasting effect in the future. That's policy, not crystal ball! Importance of a subject is always relevant. gidonb (talk) 17:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Lasting effects in the future means we don't know how important it is now. We aren't here to predict the future [[21]]. We need reliable sources that discuss these cards in detail, which we don't seem to have. Oaktree b (talk) 20:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- When these cards came out in 2023, these received a lot of media attention, satisfying the GNG. In 2024, which isn't nearly over, the deck received again much attention.[22][23] VR says that we would need to check this also in the future. That has nothing to do with crystal balling. It's just how WP rolls. gidonb (talk) 22:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- not really sure what VR has to do with the sources, what do you think about them Oaktree b (talk) 22:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have shared my opinion elsewhere. gidonb (talk) 23:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- not really sure what VR has to do with the sources, what do you think about them Oaktree b (talk) 22:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- When these cards came out in 2023, these received a lot of media attention, satisfying the GNG. In 2024, which isn't nearly over, the deck received again much attention.[22][23] VR says that we would need to check this also in the future. That has nothing to do with crystal balling. It's just how WP rolls. gidonb (talk) 22:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Lasting effects in the future means we don't know how important it is now. We aren't here to predict the future [[21]]. We need reliable sources that discuss these cards in detail, which we don't seem to have. Oaktree b (talk) 20:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oaktree b, Why is that CRYSTALBALL? VR says that we should consider lasting effect in the future. That's policy, not crystal ball! Importance of a subject is always relevant. gidonb (talk) 17:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Coining. Andre🚐 23:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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- List of North American regions by life expectancy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Prod contested. List is original research and synthesis - extracted data in form not present in secondary, reliable sources. Fails WP:NLIST. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 02:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- I've stated my point of view at the article's talk page. Though the data in the source database were filtered and simple calculations were made, these transformations are obvious and easily verified. All data in the Wikipedia's page are in the source database or can be easily obtained by an obvious mathematical operation.
- It's like retelling a text in your own words. When a Wikipedia editor retells a text, he does not retell the whole text but only a part of it. The same way, a Wikipedia editor has not obligation to use necessarily all records in an original dataset - only a part of it can be used. — Lady3mlnm (talk) 07:03, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Don't see any need for this type of list . Agletarang (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not delete by according to my arguments on the article's talk page. Рулин (talk) 12:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:NLIST. What an odd page. APK hi :-) (talk) 04:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep At the request of Liz, this is summary of what I've written above and at the article's talk page.
- This is a stand-alone list based on an authoritative reliable secondary source (that we can assume itself based on set of independent reliable sources), which has significant coverage and independent of the subject. Source of information is given and data can be verified. Filtering of records based on obvious criteria, routine calculations, and sorting based on indicated logical principle can't be considered as original research. Users are free to apply their own sorting by the table tool. There is also no contradiction with WP:NOT. So though the article is not great, I don't see enough reasons for deletion.
- The list contains evaluation of life expectancy in regions of many countries that doesn't have their separate pages about this topic. The principle of region comparison is not an original research by itself, but presentation of data, within the framework of the encyclopedia tools, that allows people to do their own independent conclusion. So I consider the article as valuable page of Wikipedia. — Lady3mlnm (talk) 10:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There's a confusion here between WP:SECONDARY and WP:PRIMARY sources. The material that the article is based upon is not a secondary source, it is a database (Global Data Lab). That database offers no:
analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources
(WP:SECONDARY). Notability of all articles is dependent on the existence of secondary sourcing. The author of the article has extracted information from the database to create the article, hence original research. There is no indication that the database in and of itself is notable. There is no secondary sourcing which compares the subnational administrative units of North America by life expectancy. I did request for secondary sources to be added which would satisfy WP:NLIST, but none were identified. I did find a source which compares subnational units of the USA and Canada (Demography: Analysis and Synthesis, Four Volume Set: A Treatise in Population p.210), but could find nothing else. FWIW, previous consensus has been to delete these list types of subnational unit articles in the absence of specific sourcing satisfying NLIST: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of first-level administrative divisions by country. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - a very useful (if not shocking) list. This seems to be well-sourced on the referenced Wikipedia pages. I'm not seeing what the issue is. Nfitz (talk) 15:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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The result was merge to List of Major League Baseball career double plays leaders. Consensus is trending towards merging these by-position lists to a single comprehensive one, perhaps with fewer listed per position, as a viable ATD. I am also closing the other nominated by-position lists similarly. Editors are welcome to BOLDly merge the lists mentioned here but not currently nominated, or start a discussion on the target's Talk page. Owen× ☎ 13:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- List of Major League Baseball career double plays as an outfielder leaders (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Tagged for notability over three months ago with no sourcing improvements since then. The article's references consist of an MLB rulebook which is a primary source and baseball-reference.com which is a stats database; neither count towards notability. At present, this article topic fails WP:NLIST, which requires in-depth significant coverage from independent reliable secondary sources that collate and discuss this list topic's entries together as a group or set to establish notability. A WP:BEFORE search came up empty; hence, delete. Left guide (talk) 10:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Similar discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a right fielder leaders. Also, this is covered by Baseball Almanac and I'd imagine baseball-reference though I haven't seen a direct source. Conyo14 (talk) 03:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Conyo14: Are those sources secondary and WP:SIGCOV for this topic though? Mere statistical database entries don't count towards notability; the sources need to provide fleshed out prose and context directly about this list topic. Left guide (talk) 05:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not advocating for a !keep. Just merely pointing out the references that are to be pointed here. Baseball Almanac is considered reliable and covers the statistical aspect. Beyond that, I'd say each record is likely to house some WP:SIGCOV from the player article. However, the grouping may not suffice for deletion. Conyo14 (talk) 06:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Conyo14: Well can you please provide more specific usable links (the Baseball Almanac link you supplied comes up as an error without rendering anything meaningful) or quotes of the source material so they can be judged and examined by the community? I'm afraid your argument is WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES as of the present moment. Notability is demonstrated via evidence of sufficient source material, not the belief or assertion of such. WP:Articles for deletion/List of NBA career ejections leaders is a current example of evidence-based WP:NLIST notability being demonstrated in a similar context (sports stats list). Left guide (talk) 07:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh it did, let me fix the link. My argument is more like, "watch out". Conyo14 (talk) 18:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Conyo14: Yes, I was already aware of the bundled right-fielder AfD as someone who participated there. I was referring to this Baseball Almanac external link you provided, which incurs a 404-type error. Left guide (talk) 18:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- One thing at a time, Left guide. Conyo14 (talk) 19:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Conyo14: Is this the Baseball Almanac source you've been alluding to? If so, it unfortunately doesn't contribute towards WP:NLIST for this particular topic. It has a table with a collection of random outfielder double play stats (not secondary or SIGCOV), and then a "Fast Facts" section at the bottom with secondary prose about three random factoids, but nothing about this list topic specifically. Left guide (talk) 20:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- One thing at a time, Left guide. Conyo14 (talk) 19:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Conyo14: Yes, I was already aware of the bundled right-fielder AfD as someone who participated there. I was referring to this Baseball Almanac external link you provided, which incurs a 404-type error. Left guide (talk) 18:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh it did, let me fix the link. My argument is more like, "watch out". Conyo14 (talk) 18:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Conyo14: Well can you please provide more specific usable links (the Baseball Almanac link you supplied comes up as an error without rendering anything meaningful) or quotes of the source material so they can be judged and examined by the community? I'm afraid your argument is WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES as of the present moment. Notability is demonstrated via evidence of sufficient source material, not the belief or assertion of such. WP:Articles for deletion/List of NBA career ejections leaders is a current example of evidence-based WP:NLIST notability being demonstrated in a similar context (sports stats list). Left guide (talk) 07:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not advocating for a !keep. Just merely pointing out the references that are to be pointed here. Baseball Almanac is considered reliable and covers the statistical aspect. Beyond that, I'd say each record is likely to house some WP:SIGCOV from the player article. However, the grouping may not suffice for deletion. Conyo14 (talk) 06:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Conyo14: Are those sources secondary and WP:SIGCOV for this topic though? Mere statistical database entries don't count towards notability; the sources need to provide fleshed out prose and context directly about this list topic. Left guide (talk) 05:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Forgot to mention in the nom that the content within the article's two sources don't discuss this list topic at all. They're being used in WP:OR/WP:SYNTH fashion to verify tangential details. And this in the external links section is not secondary or SIGCOV; raw stats tables don't count towards notability. Left guide (talk) 07:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge all in set Why do all these lists need to have the top 100 players? I think a List of Major League Baseball career double plays leaders that had just the top 10 at each position may be reasonable and notable. Otherwise this is data cruft that should be deleted outright. Reywas92Talk 02:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per Reywas92. I think top 10 by position is too narrow (I'd favor top 20 or 25 at each position), but the precise number can be sorted out in a talk page discussion (need not be resolved here). Cbl62 (talk) 22:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment @Left guide: I'm not !voting here because the nom is out of balance in my opinion. Would you consider bundling all of these:
- List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a pitcher leaders
- List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a catcher leaders
- List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a first baseman leaders
- List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a second baseman leaders
- List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a third baseman leaders
- List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a shortstop leaders
- List of Major League Baseball career double plays as an outfielder leaders
- If all of these were nominated for deletion or merger into a new List of Major League Baseball career double plays leaders article, I would support that. As it is, to only nom catcher, pitcher and outfielder is a no-go for me. Pasting this comment on the catcher, pitcher and outfielder AFDs. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 04:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, BX,
- First it's too late to make this a bundled nomination. This has to happen at the beginning of an AFD discussion, not midway through. Second, a number of these articles are already being discussed in AFD discussions. They should appear as pink links. You can voice your opinions at these discussions. Liz Read! Talk! 04:29, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- I believe I have commented at all that were nom'd. Don't have the pink thing installed tho. That's why I quasi-voted as a no-go for me. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 05:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair, I didn't even know how many were involved. I would, if Left Guide were okay with it, withdrawing our respective noms to create one mega bundle. Conyo14 (talk) 05:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- That would be the best way forward IMO. TYVM. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 06:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Conyo14 and BX: As Liz (an experienced regular AfD admin) says above, we're past the point of no return in withdrawing or bundling these even if we wanted to, since there are extant non-keep !votes from other community members in basically all of these. I actually plan to nominate the remaining "double plays by position" articles sometime soon, but it takes precious time to do a thorough good-faith WP:BEFORE search for each individual article to see if there's anything encyclopedically salvageable, and other commitments both on Wikipedia and in real life means the research can't always be easily done all at once. In any case, each nomination should be treated on its own merits. Left guide (talk) 09:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- That would be the best way forward IMO. TYVM. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 06:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair, I didn't even know how many were involved. I would, if Left Guide were okay with it, withdrawing our respective noms to create one mega bundle. Conyo14 (talk) 05:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- I believe I have commented at all that were nom'd. Don't have the pink thing installed tho. That's why I quasi-voted as a no-go for me. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 05:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Hits Radio London (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable radio station. Lacks WP:RS to meet WP:GNG. Cabrils (talk) 02:28, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect: This is just a single transmitter carrying programming for a network. Per previous similar AfD nominations e.g. [24] it should be redirected to Hits Radio. As an additional comment, all of these regional Hits Radio articles are a mess and need a tidy up. Individual transmitters for Hits Radio are not notable, but the original stations (e.g. Radio City, Hallam FM) were. I don't know why someone was so excited to move the articles. Flip Format (talk) 09:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Estonian exonyms (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Wikipedia is not a dictionary; an alternative to reading this article would be reading an Estonian dictionary. Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms, which resulted in the French equivalent of this article being deleted. As argued there, this list is an indiscriminate list of place names. I agree that an article about the linguistic and historical aspects of the formation of place names in Estonian would be notable, but that is not what this is. SJD Willoughby (talk) 01:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Trim: A few names in the list are evidently not cognate to the respective endonyms, and I'd preserve these. Otherwise, delete as trivial; each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography, okay, we get it. —Tamfang (talk) 03:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Puerto Rico women's national under-18 softball team (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject lacks the needed coverage to meet the WP:NORG. Let'srun (talk) 00:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Created by a user who once edited as "LauraHale" for a decade and resigned without a word in 2019. Anyone know what happened? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:04, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Slgrandson, that's not relevant to whether or not we Keep or Delete this article. What was your opinion on the sourcing here? Liz Read! Talk! 07:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- At your request, I see a redirect to or merge into Sports in Puerto Rico § Softball in this topic's future (WP:ATD). --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 07:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Slgrandson, that's not relevant to whether or not we Keep or Delete this article. What was your opinion on the sourcing here? Liz Read! Talk! 07:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Kim Seung-il (footballer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 00:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 01:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per nomination. There are corresponding articles in 13 languages, but none of them provide any significant coverage of him, especially the Korean Wikipedia which would help otherwise. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 12:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 18:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Simione001: You've nominated well over 150 historic North Korean footballers for deletion and seem to near-exclusively target them – where do you do your WP:BEFORE searches for them? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- They've obviously been going to North Korea and searching through newspaper archives. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:20, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11 and @WikiOriginal-9: Simone not only nominated sportspeople articles from North Korea, but I saw they've recently nominated those from other Asian countries such as Middle East (e.g. Husam Hourani). If both of you want to know what happened some time ago, read Jogourney and Spiderone's replies to Simone's talk page titled "AfDs".
- My WP:BEFORE mostly revolves around news media on the article's language as well as Google search. If the source is not in English or my native language (Indonesian), I use Google Translate to see whether or not it contains significant coverage... or the fact that the person participates in event (e.g. Club debut). I can assume Simone just look that such articles fail WP:GNG in their own appearances without searching on Google or news media.
- For countries that don't use Latin alphabet, finding significant information about something to add on Wikipedia might be certainly difficult. This is a problem for North Korea-related sportspeople articles since it doesn't have any trusted news media. From my editing experience, I see the exact same calibre format/reference as North Korea with, say, Slovakia-related articles, since most news coverage are paywalled. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 13:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
I can assume Simone just look that such articles fail WP:GNG in their own appearances without searching on Google or news media.
– so, basically, there's no BEFORE at all for these nominations... (and I get that it's absurdly difficult to find North Korean newspaper sources, but I'd think that something should be done before trying to delete well over half of the footballers in a nation's history...) BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)- I'm afraid just Googling isn't good enough sometimes, especially for a pre-internet topic like this. Even for a topic from 2010 or so, Googling may not be good enough. It doesn't take too long for some links to go dead on the internet. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- For countries that don't use Latin alphabet, finding significant information about something to add on Wikipedia might be certainly difficult. This is a problem for North Korea-related sportspeople articles since it doesn't have any trusted news media. From my editing experience, I see the exact same calibre format/reference as North Korea with, say, Slovakia-related articles, since most news coverage are paywalled. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 13:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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- @Simione001: You can answer that, but not what your BEFORE search encompasses? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:06, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Here you are - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_FIFA_World_Cup_squads#North_Korea Simione001 (talk) 04:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Judith Mok (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Tagged for sourcing issues since 2006. Not clear the subject meets WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 00:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Speedy Keep Finding sources was really easy for this person, they have multiple books with multiple reviews, and numerous interviews. I removed a lot of the material that I couldn't find sources for other than her website and CV. Dr vulpes (Talk) 03:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- After rereading that I wanted to clarify that I'm not being snippy with @4meter4 I'm just so used to having to do deep dives into archives at AfD that this was a welcome change of pace. Dr vulpes (Talk) 04:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as a likely GNG failure. BLP written by the subject of the BLP. While the article has been improved over the years, the goals of our encyclopedia were so alien for the creator to not provide her date of birth. User:Dr_vulpes says there are multiple reviews. I did not see true reviews. Happy to be pointed to such, if in existence! I see articles about her books, in which she tells about these. Also interviews and passing mentions. The author is accessible - kudos to her - but it does not assist the independence of the sources. gidonb (talk) 12:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Her date of birth isn't available but her year of birth can be found in multiple databases. I've also added another review of her book. Dr vulpes (Talk) 01:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Can you add the year of birth to the article and provide links to the real reviews here? gidonb (talk) 01:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Olga Sober (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Been tagged for sourcing issues since 2011. Not clear if subject meets WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 01:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Article is unsourced, reads like a resume, and relies on coattailing more notable acts ("She has performed with...", with nothing to back it up). Awards don't even meet notability. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 07:46, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lika Bibileishvili (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable classical musician. Feels WP:TOOSOON. Page lacks WP:RS and so does not meet WP:MUSICBIO. Could not find any RS via WP:BEFORE. Cabrils (talk) 02:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- There are a few hits on Google news and books, but nothing in newspapers. Odd. Bearian (talk) 21:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Marko Stout (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Previously deleted and salted. This new creation must not escape review. Most of the sources are written in a clearly promotional tone and hence are probably not independent of the subject. As one egregious example, the first and last sources are clearly variations of the same press release - starting with In the dynamic arena of contemporary art, few names resonate as profoundly as Marko Stout
vs. In the dynamic world of contemporary art, few names shine as brightly as Marko Stout‘s.
* Pppery * it has begun... 02:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete again please. 4th nomination! fails WP:ARTIST. He not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition or been represented within the permanent collections of any notable galleries or museums. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Ingemar Burgström (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. Only sources I could find were 2 directory listings in Google books. LibStar (talk) 02:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, there's 146 mentions in Swedish newspaper archives, of which a lot seem like they might contain sigcov. We need someone with access to verify their content though. AlexandraAVX (talk) 19:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The article doesn't show significant independent coverage that meets WP:GNG. Losing in the first round of the Olympics and compiling an 8-7 record as a pro boxer means he also fails WP:NOLY and WP:NBOX. I can't comment on what coverage might exist in Swedish, so I am not voting as this time. Papaursa (talk) 00:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- VASP Flight 780 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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While tragic, there is no indication that this airplane crash meets WP:GNG or WP:NEVENT; if there was significant, long-lasting coverage, I can't find any sources to prove it. And I have no reason to believe there is likely to be long-lasting coverage: three deaths, crashed into the forest, and the crash was caused by pilot error.
Current three sources/links, used here and on the deWiki article, are unusable for notability/unusable.[25] is a user-generated wiki, [26] is a government report on the crash (they're required to make these for every single incident), [27] is a YouTube video of a cockpit recording. My WP:BEFORE revealed two YouTube videos:[28] [29], both unusable.
I have no prejudice against selectively merging/redirecting, should a suitable target be found. Given the limited ramifications of the initial crash, even if the topic can be shown notable a stand-alone page would likely not be warranted GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep: it received reasonable coverage in Portuguese-language sources, as per pt:Voo VASP Cargo 780#Referências (note: there was no interlanguage link before). fgnievinski (talk) 03:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the link! I'll have a look through them. The ptWiki does appear to be of better quality than the enWiki and deWiki articles.
- Then there's four 1992 news reports, all dated to within a day of the accident. The ptWiki links are broken, but the headlines appear to be the fairly routine "a plane crash happened, people died" type story that, while useful, was something I knew was likely to exist and doesn't change my arguments about WP:NEVENT, lasting coverage, WP:GNG, and WP:PAGEDECIDE.
- The information about a social media user visiting the plane crash is new to me, however. For reference, here are the links:
- Both of these article, to me, mostly seem to focus on the influencer's trip to the site of the planecrash. They each spare a paragraph or two to sum up the crash itself, but it's mostly spent discussing the influencer. I'm also not an expert in Brazilian newspapers, especially very local ones, but I'm having a hard time finding information about either news source. juruaonline.com.br does not have an "about me" type page- all attempts to get one redirect you to their "advertise with us"/"submit a story" type pages. juruaemtempo.com.br does actually give you some information about its reporters, but none of them were apparently willing to attach their name to this piece. So far, they are still the only examples of any WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE we have for this crash. And while these two sources are not enough to prove notability to me (I really don't think this article says anything that isn't already covered in List of accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 737#1990s), they might be enough for somebody else to decide this is notable. So, thank you again for finding them @Fgnievinski! GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:46, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I also did a quick search for sources and can't find any online newspaper articles about the event. [36] fgnievinski (talk) 03:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom – Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: The event does not have in-depth, significant nor sustained continued coverage. Additionally, no lasting effects nor long-term impacts on a significant region have been demonstrated as a result of the accident. Criterion #4 of the event criteria states that routine kinds of news events including most accidents – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance, which this accident lacks. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 09:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to VASP#Accidents and incidents per WP:ATD-R. S5A-0043Talk 10:46, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Polyhedral (disambiguation) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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all WP:PARTIAL. fgnievinski (talk) 02:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 20:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Non-notable manager. A brief mention in Ebony magazine doesn't satisfy WP:GNG. --ZimZalaBim talk 02:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. This one fails WP:BIO for lack of third party coverage. LibStar (talk) 23:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep he is a notable diplomat and meets WP:GNG and or WP:BASIC. He has served as NATO spokesperson and there are some coverage about him, though some are press releases or news conference transcript, they are reliable because they are issued by either national governments or international organisations. I found these sources [37][38][39][40][41]. I think more reliable sources are out there waiting to be picked up and if a deep search is conducted they would be found. Piscili (talk) 02:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete. I also found this. I think on the whole he could be considered notable based on the breadth, if not depth, of coverage. While not current consensus, I am of the opinion that a diplomat who served in three countries or international organizations ought to be considered notable. Bearian (talk) 01:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- comment It’s frustrating. There are literally hundreds of articles out there where he is mentioned in passing, his position, his history, etc. They are all in reliable, independent publications, however, there is then either an interview, or it’s mostly a report of what he says in relation to another topic. I don’t think I’ve come across another case where the person themselves is obviously important, and is constantly being asked their opinion on important matters / doing important things politically, without there being a specific article written with them as the topic. Like Bearian I think he should definitely be considered notable, multiple ambassadorships over thirty years SHOULD trump say a one term state senator in terms of notability, but while minor state level politicians are automatically considered notable, career ambassadors are not? Seems backwards. Especially given just how much coverage of what he himself says there is. Ideally I’d like to see the article kept, but can’t hang my argument on any specific WP policy.
- Absurdum4242 (talk) 15:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Hundreds of these articles have been deleted. LibStar (talk) 23:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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NCORP fail Potential merge target Rottweiler Records too appears to be NCORP fail. Graywalls (talk) 23:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete same issues as with Rottweiler Records, the sources all check out, I’ll accept the source as a reliable one, but there isn’t enough extended coverage of the company itself to pass NCORP
- Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. At worst, a merge to Rottweiler, which ought to be kept too, so ultimately this is a moot conversation, but it looks like this sublabel has enough of a roster and press coverage to pass muster on its own. I'm agnostic as to whether these label articles continue on as one or two separate articles, so long as the content is preserved. Chubbles (talk) 06:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Which three sources do you believe would satisfy NCORP for this article @Chubbles: ? Graywalls (talk) 22:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Silvia Sorina Munteanu (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2012. Not clear that it passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 17:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I found an additional source here. I don't think that's enough for WP:NBIO though. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Absurdum4242, did you notice that Cocobb8 might have found the source but they aren't arguing to Keep this article. Liz Read! Talk! 05:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz I did notice that, but also thought that was because the standard was that there needed to be more than one solid source, from different outlets, which was why they were unsure? When you put theirs together with mine, together with the source cited in the article as currently written, you get three seperate sources, focused on her rather than passing mentions, separated by 8 years giving coverage over time? Also, since the deletion recommendation was on BLP grounds, I checked the applicable guidelines and they were that the article ticked off
- Neutral point of view (NPOV)
- Verifiability (V)
- No original research (NOR)
- The article doesn’t seem like Original Research, it seems to be written in a NPOV, and nothing in it was contentious or derogatory that I could tell. That just leaves Verifiability, and passing notability, with WP:MUSIC suggesting international touring was a strong sign of potential notability. Verifiability would depend on whether the sources the information was found in were reliable, and… they seem to be? Although not speaking Romanian I had to rely on Google translate there.
- Am I missing something obvious? (and also thanks again for taking the time to walk me through this, when I can see from all your work on this project that you’re super busy). Absurdum4242 (talk) 05:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Absurdum4242, the strong sign of notability is good. Are you suggesting it is enough? They're not quite the same thing. While you might decide to hold off on nominating an article for deletion because there is a "strong sign of potential notability", by the time we're at AfD what we want to see is actual evidence of notability. You're welcome to argue that the evidence we have is indeed enough evidence, or that it's close enough to "enough evidence" that the strong potential for further sources clinches it for you. Those are valid AfD positions. But "there isn't enough here yet, but I bet there is more out there" is usually not taken as grounds for a keep. -- asilvering (talk) 18:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Asilvering Not suggesting that it’s enough, just running through the steps step by step. If it had failed WP:NMUSIC completely I’d have stopped there. And if the articles only mentioned local performances inside Romania, I would err on the side of her not being notable, because it’s likely at that stage that there are no sources I’m missing, whereas a verified decade long career in numerous countries, there’s a much greater chance there are other sources out there in the world. Likewise, while they don’t strictly count for notability, there were 40-50 sources with passing mentions of her performances / longer mentions from non-independent sources as well as the three independent sources that I think DO count - the sheer number of them, again over years, makes me think it’s likely that there are better sources out there that I’m just missing, especially since google isn’t great for non-English sources / a lot of arts sources are physical rather than online. Which, again, isn’t proof, but if I hadn’t seen all those extra sources, I’d have been more likely to err on the side of her not being notable, assuming I had found what was out there. Which is why I voted delete for other article which lacked all this. GIVEN all that, I was arguing along the lines you suggested - the three sources seem like enough evidence for me, especially with the added strong potential for further sources. But I’m not dogmatic about it - this was an orphaned nomination, so I thought I would at least take a look to avoid a delete close / re-listing for lack of discussion. If anyone else wants to argue deletion, I’m all for them to do so, discussion to reach consensus is the whole point of the exercise after all. Absurdum4242 (talk) 05:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Absurdum4242, the strong sign of notability is good. Are you suggesting it is enough? They're not quite the same thing. While you might decide to hold off on nominating an article for deletion because there is a "strong sign of potential notability", by the time we're at AfD what we want to see is actual evidence of notability. You're welcome to argue that the evidence we have is indeed enough evidence, or that it's close enough to "enough evidence" that the strong potential for further sources clinches it for you. Those are valid AfD positions. But "there isn't enough here yet, but I bet there is more out there" is usually not taken as grounds for a keep. -- asilvering (talk) 18:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz I did notice that, but also thought that was because the standard was that there needed to be more than one solid source, from different outlets, which was why they were unsure? When you put theirs together with mine, together with the source cited in the article as currently written, you get three seperate sources, focused on her rather than passing mentions, separated by 8 years giving coverage over time? Also, since the deletion recommendation was on BLP grounds, I checked the applicable guidelines and they were that the article ticked off
- Absurdum4242, did you notice that Cocobb8 might have found the source but they aren't arguing to Keep this article. Liz Read! Talk! 05:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Abdullah Hashem (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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BLP of the founder of a religious sect. The sect itself appears to be notable but it does not seem that the leader himself is. I think a redirect to Ahmadi Religion of Peace and Light would probably be best. Mccapra (talk) 22:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep Google searches easily turn up hundreds of high-profile mentions. There are articles from Amnesty International, the UN, and various governments, and dozens of major newspapers that all mention him. Easily meets WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV criteria. For sects with that many media mentions, their founders and leaders would usually also be notable enough. There is also plenty of information about Hashem that would fit well into a standalone article. DjembeDrums (talk) 17:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- ok which three of these do you think provide the best in-depth coverage? Mccapra (talk) 21:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Merge Article only cited one source almost which shows they still need to meet WP:GNG to stand alone Tesleemah (talk) 20:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Okjeo language (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Okjeo (Okchŏ) was a polity described in the Dongyi section of the Chinese Records of the Three Kingdoms. They surely spoke some language, but not one word of it is recorded. The only information about the language is the statement in the above chapter that "the language is much the same as Goguryeo but with small differences here and there". That is not enough for an article, and is already included in the Puyŏ languages article, which is about four languages mentioned in that Chinese source.
All the references in the article are either paraphrases of that statement or are actually about the Goguryeo language, for which some (controversial) evidence does exist. Kanguole 22:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. Although I cannot say if the article should be removed or kept due to my biases with my edits on the article, I just want to say that I don't believe deletion should be an option and at most, make it a redirect to the Puyŏ languages as you say the information is included in the article itself. Spino-Soar-Us (talk) 23:32, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Puyŏ languages. seefooddiet (talk) 00:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: I am satisfied with the sources and structure of the page and think it could be retained as a detailed article. Opposed to deletion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep I think the amount of references is acceptable for the scope of this topic. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 23:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Absurdum4242 (talk) 18:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I can't help noticing that all of these keep !votes are based on superficially measuring text and counting references, but have not engaged with the deletion rationale given above. Kanguole 18:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, “I disagree with what the scholars in the field say” isn’t a proper rationale for deletion though? If you have other scholars in the field that you know disagree, and they have published their work in reliable sources, then the article might breach Neutrality standards, but that’s something you edit into the article, making sure you cite your conflicting sources, not a reason for deletion Absurdum4242 (talk) 18:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing like "I disagree with what the scholars in the field say" in the deletion rationale, which makes a completely different argument. Perhaps the offhand remark "(controversial)"? But that was about Goguryeo language, which is a different topic from this one. Kanguole 19:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, “I disagree with what the scholars in the field say” isn’t a proper rationale for deletion though? If you have other scholars in the field that you know disagree, and they have published their work in reliable sources, then the article might breach Neutrality standards, but that’s something you edit into the article, making sure you cite your conflicting sources, not a reason for deletion Absurdum4242 (talk) 18:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- very very weak keep - While it's true that much of the article does seem to restate information that can be found on the Puyŏ languages page, the only reason that I would vote keep is because the Okjeo language page elaborates a bit more information than on Puyŏ languages. (especially the comment about its relationship to the Nivkh languages).
- Now I'm not sure if the extra details on Okjeo language merit its having a separate article. I would consider voting redirect if the extra tidbits of information were rewritten into the Puyŏ languages page itself. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 05:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @MetropolitanIC: I've added Janhunen's view to Puyŏ languages, but he discusses only Buyeo (maybe Nivkh/Amuric) and Goguryeo (maybe Tungusic), and does not mention Okjeo. Reference [10] is a Korean translation of part of the Chinese Records of the Three Kingdoms, an ancient source that would be OR for us to interpret. Reference [12] (actually Miyake, not Robbeets) discusses Goguryeo and does not mention Okjeo. Kanguole 08:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Kushtaka (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The only sources (apart from two TV episodes) appear to be fictional. Slatersteven (talk) 15:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Please clarify — Do you mean fictional works? Based on only seeing "fictional" in your rationale, I went over the listed sources and they clearly exist. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 22:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Works of fiction. Slatersteven (talk) 12:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Passes WP:GNG and WP:GTEST, the latter a search for the alternate spelling Kóoshdaa káa, which provided the mainstream sources below.
- https://www.outdoorlife.com/adventure/tlingit-legend-of-kooshdaa-kaa/
- https://ojs.library.ubc.ca/index.php/bcstudies/article/view/186157/185691
- https://static.artmuseum.princeton.edu/mirador3/?manifest=https://data.artmuseum.princeton.edu/iiif/objects/62646
- https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/experiences/alaska/kushtaka-land-otter-legend-ak
- https://alaskamagazine.com/travel/southeast-alaska/island-of-my-fears/
- https://www.juneauempire.com/life/southeasts-spooky-stories-collected-by-juneau-writer-bjorn-dihle/
- https://digital.akbizmag.com/issue/september-2022/off-the-cuff-rosita-kaahani-worl/
- https://ynlc.ca/wp-content/uploads/Tagish_Stories_by_Angela_Sidney_1982.pdf
- https://sealaskaheritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Edwards-Dictionary-of-Tlingit.pdf
- Retain the additional citations needed flag and allow the article to wait for an editor to improve it. 5Q5|✉ 12:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep While the current state of referencing is not great, this is a real and notable topic as supported by the sources listed above (and the TV documentaries). The nomination is arguing solely on the current state of the article. A WP:BEFORE search, however, is a step required from the nominator by the deletion process. To get commentary on this search would be immensly helpful to all participants. Daranios (talk) 13:42, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I did, I found sod all, but then some of the above seem to use variant spellings, and it seems (from the above sources), it also needs a renames, as the common name seems to be Kóoshdaa káa. Slatersteven (talk) 13:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Slatersteven: Thanks for clarifying. As I said, any details on the course of the search are helpful, but I understand that in some instances there is just nothing to report. But then good that we have the discussion and different authors chip in, the process is working :-). Daranios (talk) 13:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I did, I found sod all, but then some of the above seem to use variant spellings, and it seems (from the above sources), it also needs a renames, as the common name seems to be Kóoshdaa káa. Slatersteven (talk) 13:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
THen the fixing should be done now, and not as a condition of keeping. Slatersteven (talk) 10:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Slatersteven: The sources are there, so anyone interested can start the fixing. On the other hand noone specifically is required to do so, however, and there is no deadline. Many, many, many things should be fixed on Wikipedia, the earlier the better, and the issues here are just one of them. I believe now that notability concerns are allayed this is not a bad start-class article. As long as there is no evidence to the contrary I assume the description could be verified by the two TV documentaries already listed. Daranios (talk) 11:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I added the above list of research links to the article's talk page 5Q5|✉ 11:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Eklashpur High School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Previous discussion in May 2024 resulted in redirect. Since that time, IPs and another user have attempted to circumvent that discussion and restore the page so here we are. References do not show how this meets notability guidelines and cannot find anything online that shows this meeting WP:NCORP. Based on the redirect removals, I don't think a redirect would be an appropriate WP:ATD at this point. CNMall41 (talk) 02:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - Based on an IPs attempt to mask the last deletion discussion, I would be inclined to say there is a conflict of interest behind the creation and continuous attempts at redirecting. Pinging @Jfire: and @SafariScribe: who were the editors involved in the previous deletion discussion.--CNMall41 (talk) 02:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of educational institutions in Noakhali#Secondary schools: Nothing has changed since the last AFD. It's an exact recreation of the article which was redirected last time. Still doesn't meet WP:ORGCRIT. Can we please also protect the page once this is finished so other IPs can't circumvent consensus again. TarnishedPathtalk 03:17, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I purely understand the need for redirecting per WP:ATD, but since we've seen turning the redirect into an article even after a deletion discussion, I think deletion is the appropriate thing to do. In a real sense, this article crossed no border— not notable—and I don't think it would in the nearest future. However, if a protection is appropriate, let the redirect be. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Aquae Jewels (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Likely to fail WP:NCORP. Sourced to promo pieces/advertorials. KH-1 (talk) 02:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Neil Crompton (diplomat) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. The limited news hits this person gets are routine coverage and not WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 01:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Battle of Khetasar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is a WP: REDUNDANTFORK of Rathore rebellion (1679–1707). Such articles led to duplication. Also, out of the three sources, 2nd one inot a WP:RS. It is some personal commentary written by someone associated with the Kingdom. Hence it should be deleted and content, if something found relevant should be merged into the main article or the Durgadas Rathore. Admantine123 (talk) 01:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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There is no need of this standalone article as it is an insignificant event in the History of Rajasthan. The content should be merged into List of battles in Rajasthan or any article related to Shekhawats. There has been duplication of efforts by editors to convert minor events from some big events into seperate article leading to creation of WP: REDUNDANTFORK. Admantine123 (talk) 01:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect/Merge to List_of_battles_in_Rajasthan#18th_Century seems like a good option.--Brocade River Poems (She/They) 21:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Bryan Battle (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject has been nominated for AfD before and resulted in deletion. Still not yet meet GNG or NMMA notability requirements, Sources are mainly fight announcements and results which are considered routine reports. Subject fails to have significant coverage by independent, reliable sources where by the sources talk about the subject in depth and indetails and not only passing mentioned for verification. Cassiopeia talk 01:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep I think these refs (1, 2, 3, 4) are enough to support GNG Nswix (talk) 04:41, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nswix1, 2 they are routine sport reports and [42], 4 they are al routine sport report and not independent as they are interview pieces. Routine sport reports (fight announcements and results) can not be contribute to GNG or NMMA requirements to have a page in Wikipedia. Cassiopeia talk 05:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Still doesn't appear to have much media coverage. Was in France fighting, but it's only mentioned [43], [44] in passing. Not enough coverage for an article here. Oaktree b (talk) 12:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I like the article, it is well done and subject getting more and more attention. However, he is #25 in the Worldwide MMA Rankings on Tapology [45]. I don't think the subject currenlty passes WP:MMA, but an argument could be made that he passes WP:GNG. I will wait to vote. Lekkha Moun (talk) 12:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- You only have to pass one. If every fighter had to pass NMMA, there'd only be a few hundred fighters pages. Nswix (talk) 13:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- NMMA use Fight Matrix and not Tapology. Fighter needs to be ranked top 10 to pass NMMA. Cassiopeia talk 14:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that's why I said subject doesn't pass WP:MMA. Lekkha Moun (talk) 14:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes I know, that's why I mentioned WP:GNG. Subject needs to pass one guideline. Lekkha Moun (talk) 14:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- NMMA use Fight Matrix and not Tapology. Fighter needs to be ranked top 10 to pass NMMA. Cassiopeia talk 14:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- You only have to pass one. If every fighter had to pass NMMA, there'd only be a few hundred fighters pages. Nswix (talk) 13:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Iniesta (footballer, born 1992) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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The result was Speedy Keep. No actual deletion rationale has been provided. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:57, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Seed oil misinformation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am nominating the article Seed oil misinformation for deletion due to significant violations of Wikipedia’s Neutral Point of View (NPOV) policy, particularly in the title and the overall tone of the article.
- Title Bias: The title itself, "Seed oil misinformation," is particularly problematic and presupposes that any concerns or criticisms about the oils are automatically "misinformation." This is inherently biased and frames the entire article in a way that dismisses opposing views. A more neutral title would not take a definitive stance on the issue before even addressing the content of the article.
- One-Sided Arguments: The article is primarily focused on discrediting the health concerns surrounding the oils and conveys the message that opposition to the oils is part of a conspiracy. This fails to acknowledge that there may be legitimate health concerns raised by some experts or individuals regarding the oils, including their potential role in inflammation and metabolic issues. This one-sided perspective also neglects to address concerns that industry or food processors may be putting the interest of profits above public health.
- Dismissal of Legitimate Health Concerns: While the article casts doubt on health claims against the oils, it does not provide balanced coverage of the scientific debate. By labeling all criticisms as "misinformation," in the very title, the article skews heavily in favor of defending one side, ignoring the fact that some health professionals and researchers have raised legitimate concerns about the high omega-6 content, the harms of consuming easily oxidized oils, and the potential negative effects of consuming certain vegetable oils in excess.
- Not a Neutral Presentation of Information: A neutral article would present the arguments for and against these oils without taking sides. Instead, this article seems intent on portraying the entire opposition as 'misinformation' or conspiracy-driven, especially considering the title, without giving due weight to evidence or legitimate concerns raised by those on the other side of the debate.
In conclusion, the title and content are both so heavily biased that simple editing may not be sufficient to bring this article in line with Wikipedia’s standards. For these reasons, I propose deleting this article. If editors believe the topic is worthy of coverage, it should be rebuilt from the ground up starting with a neutral title and perspective that fairly represents all viewpoints. ~ Mellis (talk) 00:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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For context, this article was initially PRODed by User:69.123.64.3(1 October 2024), for the following reason: Neutral Point of View. See Discussion at Talk:Seed_oil_misinformation~ Mellis (talk) 01:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think the premise of this AfD is strongly flawed.
ignoring the fact that some health professionals and researchers
by this logic, HIV/AIDS denialism, should be called "HIV/AIDS controversy" becausesome health professionals and researchers
supported this position when the majority of the scientific community didn't. During COVID misinformation was widely spread by medical professionals like Peter A. McCullough. That didn't mean it wasn't misinformation. This the appeal to authority fallacy which ignores the sources in the article which say that the expert consensus is that "seed oils" (as nebulous as that category is) are largely safe and that the current claims are misinformation. Hemiauchenia (talk) 01:17, 2 October 2024 (UTC)- Here's another source from the American Heart Association calling the claims bunk [46]. Hemiauchenia (talk) 01:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @User:Hemiauchenia Its very important to point out that the credibility of the AHA is significantly questioned and doubted in this topic due to its significant corporate funding, particularly from processed vegetable oil producers. The American Heart Association receives incredibly significant funding from corporate interests, for this reason the AHA is a biased 'authority' due to their source of funding. The American Heart Association (AHA) has received funding from processed vegetable oil producers, including Procter & Gamble, the maker of Crisco and other processed oils, in 1948: The AHA received $1.75 million from Proctor & Gamble.[47][48], The AHA then recommended that people replace butter with vegetable oil or Crisco. More recently Bayer, the owner of LibertyLink soybeans, pledged up to $500,000 to the AHA. [49] Food manufactures pay the American Heart Association to show the AHA logo on their packaging. The food manufacturers push profits into the AHA every single day though this mechanism. The AHA is not credible source of information on this topic as they are significantly financed by these corporate mechanisms where the food industry pays AHA to endorse their processed foods.~ Mellis (talk) 02:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
"Its [sic] very important to point out that the credibility of the AHA is significantly questioned and doubted in this topic due to its significant corporate funding"
← this is just howling conspiracism of the type that infects the antiscience movement, and any sources (if there actually are any) 'questioning and doubting' the AHA for this reason are from fools. While Wikipedia might report on stuff like this (see Big Pharma conspiracy theories) its policies prevent it from indulging them, Instead we reflect what reputable WP:MEDORGS like the AHA say as accepted knowedlege. Bon courage (talk) 02:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @User:Hemiauchenia Its very important to point out that the credibility of the AHA is significantly questioned and doubted in this topic due to its significant corporate funding, particularly from processed vegetable oil producers. The American Heart Association receives incredibly significant funding from corporate interests, for this reason the AHA is a biased 'authority' due to their source of funding. The American Heart Association (AHA) has received funding from processed vegetable oil producers, including Procter & Gamble, the maker of Crisco and other processed oils, in 1948: The AHA received $1.75 million from Proctor & Gamble.[47][48], The AHA then recommended that people replace butter with vegetable oil or Crisco. More recently Bayer, the owner of LibertyLink soybeans, pledged up to $500,000 to the AHA. [49] Food manufactures pay the American Heart Association to show the AHA logo on their packaging. The food manufacturers push profits into the AHA every single day though this mechanism. The AHA is not credible source of information on this topic as they are significantly financed by these corporate mechanisms where the food industry pays AHA to endorse their processed foods.~ Mellis (talk) 02:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Here's another source from the American Heart Association calling the claims bunk [46]. Hemiauchenia (talk) 01:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Regarding the title, Seed oil controversy was changed to Seed oil misinformation per this diff. Also, remember that WP:WEIGHT is part of WP:NPOV, meaning that the weight given to viewpoints are to be reflective of their overall ratio among reliable sources, not simply fifty-fifty coverage.
- This article looks like it intends to describe a fad diet (see its inclusion in the Fad Diets template as a high-carb diet), but doesn't have very much information on the rules or rationale for it to be a diet, even as it goes about rebutting them. The section on hexane is a good example. It says, without a citation, that proponents call the oils hazardous because of solvents, and then has four citations debunking that vaguely summarized claim. The article on the Paleolithic diet is a good example of NPOV for a fad diet, laying out the principles, health claims, and medical research around it. An article titled Paleo diet controversy or Paleo diet misinformation would be better served as a subsection in a main article, such as at Paleolithic_diet#Health_effects.
- A follow-up question is whether the seed oil claims (or diet) are cohesive and notable enough to have a page dedicated to them. It's hard to confirm notability when what is being argued against is unclear. Azn bookworm10 (talk) 01:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Sails past WP:GNG and the reasons given for deletion are spurious. Misuse of Afd. Bon courage (talk) 02:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Azn bookworm10 & Bon courage: Seed oil controversy was a much better title that at least didn't immediately call some people's health concerns 'misinformation'. The balance of Fatty acid ratio in food and oxidized linoleic acid metabolites are serious health topics, and excessive eating of Omega 6 has health implications.~ Mellis (talk) 02:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong. For the same reason we don't have Holocaust controversy but "denial" or Moon landing controversy but "conspiracy theories". This seed oil stuff is BS and there is no rational source saying otherwise. Bon courage (talk) 02:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- There is plenty of research that is credible and questions the health claims of Omega 6 heavy vegetable oils. You just don't consider them. [50][51][52][53] there are hundreds of credible research articles and you would ignore all of them if you were presented with them.~ Mellis (talk) 02:57, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- The topic of this article is misinformation; which is by definition BS. Those sources are irrelevant. Bon courage (talk) 03:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Individual studies like these are primary sources under Wikipedia's biomedical information sourcing regime. Please see WP:MEDPRI. The gold standard is either a comprehensive literature review (cited in the article as Marklund, Wu, Imamura, & Del Gobbo (2019)) or a formal statement by a leading academic body (cited in the article as Harris, Mozaffarian, Rimm, & Kris-Etherton (2009)). — Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 03:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- (#1) is the only potential usable source. (#2) is MDPI paper co-authored by misinformation peddler Joseph Mercola, (#3) and (#4) are primary animal studies in mice and piglets, which are a complete and utter fail of WP:MEDRS. This is really scraping the bottom of the barrel and is an embarrassing display of your lack of knowledge of Wikipedia policy.
- Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- There is plenty of research that is credible and questions the health claims of Omega 6 heavy vegetable oils. You just don't consider them. [50][51][52][53] there are hundreds of credible research articles and you would ignore all of them if you were presented with them.~ Mellis (talk) 02:57, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Azn bookworm10 & Bon courage: Seed oil controversy was a much better title that at least didn't immediately call some people's health concerns 'misinformation'. The balance of Fatty acid ratio in food and oxidized linoleic acid metabolites are serious health topics, and excessive eating of Omega 6 has health implications.~ Mellis (talk) 02:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep This nomination was obviously written with AI. For all the LLM word salad, there's no coherent or policy based reason given for deletion. Pinguinn 🐧 02:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh god I thought you were exaggerating about the LLM usage but wow AfD is only going to get more backlogged if it gets filled with this stuff. — Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 02:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's not just AfD. Fringe areas (it seems in particular) are gaining litigious editors running LLMs. Brace for a Hellscape! Bon courage (talk) 02:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh yeah I'm aware and have been helping with WikiProject AI Cleanup where I have time, but at least it's easier to revert nonsense additions to articles. AfDs take up so much time and effort from editors and admins with all the back-and-forth and the seven-day time limit. — Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 03:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's not just AfD. Fringe areas (it seems in particular) are gaining litigious editors running LLMs. Brace for a Hellscape! Bon courage (talk) 02:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, the format is very suspiciously LLMy, but I wanted to give the author the benefit of the doubt. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh god I thought you were exaggerating about the LLM usage but wow AfD is only going to get more backlogged if it gets filled with this stuff. — Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 02:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: is NPOV a valid deletion rationale in this manner? Given that it passes GNG (multiple reliable sources mention this as misinformation including an additional source found above by Hemiauchenia), then shouldn't any NPOV violation mean that the editors proposing deletion should instead be citing reliable sources to balance the article? — Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 02:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- The title does not have a neutral point of view, is this not obvious? It conveys that potentially legitimate health concerns could be 'misinformation'. Excessive Omega 6 intake is known to cause obesity and chronic disease in animal models.~ Mellis (talk) 03:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, this is an article about misinformation. Bon courage (talk) 03:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree. This article and its title are calling out health concerns raised by some legitimate doctors and experts on the topic of these fatty acids and specifically labeling those concerns 'misinformation', in a biased way.~ Mellis (talk) 03:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please read the list of deletion rationales and note that supposedly non-neutral titles are not listed. AfD is not the venue to discuss such an issue with an article. — Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 03:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, this is an article about misinformation. Bon courage (talk) 03:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- The title does not have a neutral point of view, is this not obvious? It conveys that potentially legitimate health concerns could be 'misinformation'. Excessive Omega 6 intake is known to cause obesity and chronic disease in animal models.~ Mellis (talk) 03:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep a 400 word LLM-generated AfD (with no valid deletion rationale) is completely inappropriate. Rjjiii (talk) 03:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep no valid deletion rationale given. Also crap LLM writing of an invalid rationale designed to spread the very FUD misinformation that the article exposes. And any claims that it need to be edified to include the fringe claims that fail MEDRS, the only people making these false claims about seed oils, are doing so because they have their own oil to sell you: snake oil. oknazevad (talk) 03:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename: I stand by my comments that the title of this article comes off as offensively one-sided. If it isn't going to be deleted I strongly feel it needs to be renamed. There are researchers who have devoted their lives to the study of chronic disease who believe fatty acids are playing a role. A title such as "Vegetable oil health debate" would come of as much more neutral. Scientific skepticism is supposed to be a good thing in society, immediately calling one side of the arguments 'misinformation' is throwing out the possibility to even consider scientific evidence that argues vegetable oils could be contributing to chronic disease. It's already known high fat diets and processed foods contribute to chronic disease, heart disease, and obesity. ~ Mellis (talk) 03:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- The mechanism for proposing a change of name is WP:RM, not AfD. Bon courage (talk) 04:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment this AfD has been mentioned on Reddit. — Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 03:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- They all get mentioned on Reddit it seems, that's their option to list them. I just ignore them, reddit is a pit for anything and everything these days. Oaktree b (talk) 13:06, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - clearly passes GNG. And since someone (most likely the nominator) has canvassed on Reddit (per Dan's comment above), should we put the Not a ballot template somewhere? MiasmaEternal☎ 04:41, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like someone was way ahead of me on the latter. MiasmaEternal☎ 04:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have not canvassed anywhere, I have nothing to do with that Reddit post. I did not submit or contribute to any discussion execept this page right here. ~ Mellis (talk) 10:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like someone was way ahead of me on the latter. MiasmaEternal☎ 04:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The article is one sided and contains sources that dont corroborate the information in the body.Sydpresscott (talk) 01:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep on basis of obvious notability of topic. Perceived bias in article content or title is not a reason for deletion. The talk page where these things should be sorted out is thataway. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Not a topic. The article is a collection of miscellaneous false beliefs that people have held about seed oils. We don't, and shouldn't, have an article listing miscellaneous false beliefs about football players. Maproom (talk) 06:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: NPOV is not valid deletion rationale per the above, and it lends little credence to your arguments to post an LLM-generated dot point list. Additionally, the article is called seed oil misinformation—that is to say, there is no implication that the article decries legitimate concerns, only that it discusses misinformation. If there are legitimate concerns that you feel are unfairly classed as misinformation, you should point this out on the talk page instead of nominating the article for deletion. pluckyporo (talk • contribs) 08:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as others have said, the deletion rationale seems to have been largely generated by an LLM which raises significant questions whether any human editor even entirely supports it, i.e. do they support that everything said is actually a problem with our article based on their understanding of our policies and guidelines? But anyway, even if it's not LLM, most of the points there even if entirely correct, the reasons listed are not valid reasons for deletion but cleanup of various kinds e.g. WP:RM and just general editing. It's hard to argue WP:TNT applies. So if there is no valid deletion rationale given in the opening, I can only go by the other supporters. User:Sydpresscott makes the same mistake as the opening rationale. User:Maproom's rationale at least is a valid reason for deletion. But I'd disagree that it applies here. It's clear from the sources that seed oils are a prominent target of misinformation such that many sources have address said misinformation. So this is much inline with Vaccine misinformation, COVID-19 misinformation, COVID-19 vaccine misinformation and hesitancy, 5G misinformation, Misinformation related to abortion, Misconceptions about HIV/AIDS, Climate change denial etc. I don't believe the same applies to football players which is a very vague term anyway. (I assume we're at least talking about what is sometimes called soccer rather than other weird sports sometimes called football most of which rarely apply feet to the ball, but still are we talking about professionals or anyone who plays the game or what?) Nil Einne (talk) 10:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The Health article and the GQ talk about this issue, seems to pass notability. Could perhaps use a rewrite, but AfD isn't clean up. Oaktree b (talk) 13:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Honestly, if you're worried about the neutrality of the article, you don't delete it, You should rewrite it, that's literally the point of a wiki... Bring corrections or updates to the article by editing it, yourself. And please don't use LLMs, they don't help. Oaktree b (talk) 13:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Kim Yung-kil (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 North Korean World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 00:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect per nomination. Lâm (talk) 05:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 18:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 20:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Engschrift (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Initially PRODed by me, for the following reason:
In addition to the existing relying on a single source and vagueness issues (likely due to translation), the information in the article could easily be included onto the existing articles – DIN 1451, Austria (typeface), Tern (typeface) and Road signs in Austria – with the provision of sources, weakening the article's basis.
Deletion was objected, a merged was proposed instead. However, it is not possible to redirect one article to 3 others. Created a topic at WikiProject Typography over 4 months ago with no response. The article has no notability on its own, and is poorly written/explained. EthanL13 | talk 22:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete This is covered in DIN 1451 in more detail than is here. Nothing in that article gives me the impression that a separate article on DIN 1451 Engschrift would be needed. I did search and Engschrift is always defined together with DIN 1451. Lamona (talk) 02:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Already PROD'd so not eligible for Soft Deletion,
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- Merge to DIN 1451, by condensing the Austria section into a single sentence and placing it under DIN_1451#Usage_examples (this is sourced - the article's only source refers to this). There is certainly no justification for a standalone article, as the target article provides better coverage for every other aspect. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if I agree with a merge, since Engschrift (German for "narrow font/script") isn't strictly unique to DIN 1451. EthanL13 | talk 14:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it is in this case, as the article makes clear. The term should lead the reader somewhere. Do you have more general redirect targets in mind? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the article is much to go by – it can't even stick to its own subject in the lead. If it were possible, a disambiguation page (with DIN 1451 as its primary article) would be ideal, with links to Austria (typeface), Tern (typeface) and FE-Schrift. Just an idea, not sure if it's possible. EthanL13 | talk 09:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe a disambiguation would be the way to go, given the several different types where the term is accepted as a variant, and the fact that it also represents the original German term for shorthand [54]. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:05, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the article is much to go by – it can't even stick to its own subject in the lead. If it were possible, a disambiguation page (with DIN 1451 as its primary article) would be ideal, with links to Austria (typeface), Tern (typeface) and FE-Schrift. Just an idea, not sure if it's possible. EthanL13 | talk 09:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it is in this case, as the article makes clear. The term should lead the reader somewhere. Do you have more general redirect targets in mind? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Anything as long as it's deleted. I recommend making it a redirect to Font#Width, the content can be spread out in the relevant articles if it is of any interest. Mr.choppers | ✎ 18:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We now have several closure suggestions including Delete, Merge and Redirect with different target articles mentioned.
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Relisting comment: Final relist.
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- Rottweiler Records (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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NCORP fail Graywalls (talk) 23:15, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep Fairly clearly meets the sense of an important label as given in the WP:MUSIC guideline, and the article has citations indicating the label gets regular coverage in music press. Chubbles (talk) 06:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I’d love to agree with you, because they seem really interesting, but… NCORP not NMUSIC is the right standard to judge them on, and everything I can see in the article is either passing coverage, or basic business process (the sale to new owners) coverage… but nothing giving any sort of extended coverage of the company itself. It’s all “band x signs to Rottweiler Records” and then a ton about band x, but nothing about the company. So weirdly they would count for the band’s notability, but not the company’s. Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- La Pierre Angulaire High School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No source to proof notability. Gabriel (……?) 00:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Zero evidence of notability. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
- Delete: No signs of notability on my own end. Fails NCORP. Best, Reading Beans 02:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I cannot find reliable references that discuss this school in details. B.Korlah (talk) 06:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)