Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Sofio

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The result of the debate was keep. Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 20:37, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Justin Sofio

Delete. Anyone have a clear notability line in this area? This seems pretty lightweight to me. Mwanner 23:26, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

Comment Was never added to VfD it seems, adding it today. Hedley 11:51, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Keep as article creator. Professional racing drivers are notable at all levels. Google brings 175 results for "Justin Sofio" but he is included in the Speedsportmag database. A page featuring him would be here. Hedley 15:25, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Average car racer. (since we have an average professor rule, why not an average sportsman rule?) Average Earthman 12:51, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Delete, this is borderline. Google doesnt show up any notable achievements by this driver. Megan1967 13:11, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Per the site I given above, Sofio has won several karting championships and a Formula Toyota Atlantic title. Professional championship winners are notable. Hedley 14:38, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Would you hazard a guess at how many drivers would qualify under the standard you're proposing? Mwanner 15:54, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
  - A lot. Professional racing drivers are all notable. I'm no inclusionist, but if they have competed in a professional event and especially won one, they are notable. People will look in an encyclopaedia for information on a racing driver. Thousands of people attend racing events, all who will see the drivers as quite important. I wouldn't of added an article if it wasn't important. Hedley 16:39, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  - Comment. As it stands the article fails to note Sofio's numerous titles at various levels, or his vast karting experience. I would add to it if this article was done the justice necessary. Hedley 16:40, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Keep and cleanup, winning a championship race is notable. Mgm|^(talk) 19:53, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
Keep as per Hedley. Oh, and the best way to stop something being deleted, Hedley, is to add good material to it, so I'd encourage you to do so and not wait until the end of this vfd--it'll probably be worth the effort. Meelar (talk) 20:15, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
Delete until and unless the supposed notability is included in the article. The article doesn't seem to know what state he was born in, and indicates only that he raced in one race. BTW, he gets 90 Google hits. Rick K 20:27, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
I have re-written the article to add extra information. I can't see any lack of notability now. Hedley 21:31, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- The article says he's a mechanic. It makes no mention of what he might have won. Rick K 21:47, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
- I still feel that it fails to pass the "more notable than the average professor" test. Thousands of people attend college lectures, all of whom (well, most) will see the professors as quite important. But most of the professors do not rate encyclopedia articles. Further, is this really the place that most race fans would turn to for info on drivers? Should WP duplicate the Speedsportmag database? -- Mwanner 21:53, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
  - Why not? Thats like saying, "Should we duplicate 1911 Britannica's articles?" or "Should we duplicate ~any site~ with information on the USA?". Wikipedia is aiming to become the sum of all human knowledge, and why not everything is important in that sum, people may look here for info on a driver. Speedsportmag, which you refer to, doesn't provide anything other than Sofio's one race. Wikipedia provides more and so a race fan would possibly look here. As for professors, it is a completely different issue in that they aren't important out of that local area. I'm nowhere near where Formula Toyota Atlantic and Binder Racing are based, but to me the information on Sofio is relevant. Hedley 22:39, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Keep Looks like he won the same event this weekend, also as per Mgm Rx StrangeLove 23:07, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Professional motor racer with reasonable career success. Capitalistroadster 03:35, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Keep, Hedley seems to know what he's talking about when he says "Professional racing drivers are notable at all levels" and a lot of people would want to look them up. Kappa 21:55, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Keep, article has improved since original listing, and now seems to pass all reasonable thresholds. Pcb21| Pete 06:57, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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