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This account is not a fair analogy regarding Adolph Rupp. Coach Rupp attempted to recruit black players (i.e. Wes Unseld) as early as 1964. Tom Payne, Coach Rupp's first recruited black player signed in 1969. Darryl Bishop, another black athlete, was recruited to play football. However, he also played on the basketball team in 1969. Additionally, the University of Kentucky integrated its basketball team with black players before the following Southeastern Conference member schools: Florida, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Tennessee and Mississippi State.

There is overwhelming evidence that Coach Rupp WAS NOT a "segregationist". UK played home games against teams with black players beginning in 1948. The next "southern" school to allow this practice was Tennessee, which began permitting black players with visiting teams to play on the UT campus during the 1960s. Adolph Rupp coached black players as early as 1926, and coached Don Barksdale on the U.S. Olympic team in 1948.

For the most well-researched thesis on the subject, please see the following page by Jon Scott:

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/rupp.html

His page is supported with numerous credible references. Thanks.

Some context for the infamous 1966 UK/Texas Western all-White vs. all-Black teams: Duke, which was also in the final four that year, also had no black players. If Duke had beaten UK in the semi-finals, would everybody be talking about Duke having a racist past? Rogerd 14:24, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

still, there isn't much discussion to the racist allegations, instead we have a sentence saying he was accused before being hit by a barrage of statements in his defense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.214.68.13 (talk • contribs) 22:11, January 29, 2006.

Adolph Rupp has been quoted by Frank Deford as calling the Miners "coons" during halftime of the national championship game. If he were not a racist, he wouldn't have used that language to motivate his players. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.33.88.35 (talk • contribs) 21:49, February 8, 2006.

Everyone else who was present through the 1966 championship game disputes Deford's claim about the "coons" comment. No one is certain that Deford was even around Rupp at that game. For more information on this, see the site linked by someone else above.

"everyone else?" on the referenced site, there's not even one person who denied it was said; just complaining/rationalizing that it was said 'in the heat of the moment', that it's not how Rupp really felt, and that Deford shuld have confronted Rupp while the coach was still alive. Rupp used a racial epithet to motivate his players. Period.

--- This article really smacks of historical revisionism, not to have even mentioned the 1966 championship game against Texas Western. Cf http://espn.go.com/classic/s/013101_texas_western_fitzpatrick.html for a discussion. I believe it should be possible to have an unbiased, unrevisionist discussion of the nature of racial segregation in sports and college sports, and both the symbolic and real role of Rupp and the U of K during that period, without getting into the type of discussion (above) which is purely "he did X" therefore he was/was not a racist. SIGNING my posts: MariaMitchell (talk) 20:03, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The neat thing about Wikipedia is that you can actually make those edits. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Location (talk) 20:28, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Adolph Rupp Award

The article says, "The Adolph Rupp Trophy, named in his honor, has been awarded annually to the best white or black player in men's college basketball since 1972."

Is "best white or black player" really necessary? Why does race matter here? I don't think this award is limited to whites and blacks; an outstanding Asian or Latino could also win.

I agree... be bold...I fixed it --Rogerd 19:11, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Criticisms

In the Criticisms section, I'm rather confused. See, I wanted to remove weasel words, and as I have no knowledge of this man whatsoever, I figured I'd be a good candidate for the job. But then I was reading it, and aside from being really confusing, what with various teams and names and whatnot that seem to be unrelated to the man himself and/or his career specifically, there's only one point in favor of the argument that he's viewed as a racist. Could someone please give more proof? Thanks Narnibird 20:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. and enough of the "he coached black high school students in Illinois" stuff, because seriously, wasn't that part of his job, given he was a high school coach? That does not mean he was not racist, it just means he did what he was told. Narnibird 20:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are you kidding me? You want to say in the article that Rupp is a racist because he could not coach black players at Kentucky due to SEC policy until 1970, yet you think the fact that he coached black players as a high school coach was simply 'part of his job' and not evidence of whether or not he was a racist? It cuts both ways: either it was all just 'part of his job' or none of it was. Either both coaching black players in Illinois and not coaching them at Kentucky due to SEC policy 'just means he did what he was told' or neither does. Geez.

This entire 'Criticisms' section, since it cites no sources and is simply not based in fact, has been removed.

It is more than a decade after above comments; I think it is time to get back to a reevaluation of Rupp and race relations.Mwinog2777 (talk) 17:46, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

vandalism

someone needs to keep a watch on this page, I have removed the unsubstantiated remark that was left saying Rupp was a racist in all caps. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.217.29.51 (talk) 23:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Correction

The sentence "Rupp is also second among all coaches in all-time winning percentage (.822), trailing only Clair Bee." is incorrect as stated. Not sure of other coaches, however Pat Summitt has a .842 winning percentage. A more correct entry might be "Rupp is also second among men's basketball coaches in all-time winning percentage (.822), trailing only Clair Bee." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.159.4.35 (talk) 17:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing about scandal?

The Kentucky b-ball team was forced to disband for a season in the 50s because of the biggest college sports scandal of the time and there's conspicuously no mention. Please include the bad with the glowing good. See this article for more. Bottom line is it happened under his tenure and there would be no question it would be mentioned if the exact same thing had happened under a coach today. It doesn't need to be a huge mention, but it should be noted better. --184.97.150.154 (talk) 03:37, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. · rodii · 20:57, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Quite a dismal entry

Boy, this needs a huge and intelligent rewrite. As for the issue of racism, there are excellent sources online (like this) which treat this aspect of Rupp in a balanced way, which is what should be done here. Whatever Rupp's personal beliefs about Blacks, it seems well-established that he was ready to recruit them as basketball players earlier than other SEC coaches, and too many in the North. My own view of Rupp and UK was formed when I was watching the 1966 championship game with relatives in Kentucky. As Kentucky was getting whipped, someone said, "Come on, beat those [expletive deleted]. I was incensed by that comment, and thereafter repulsed by the coach and the team. Readers deserve more than just a Bad Man or Good Man take on Rupp. Like everyone, he was a blend, so let's describe him with some sophistication. Nicmart (talk) 23:08, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Will anyone define the word "racist" for me please

Will someone please define the word "racist" for me please. Beaconboy (talk) 23:53, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]