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Is this tasteful?

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I am far from being a zealot of Political Correctness. I, for one feel however that this list is arbitrary on the one hand, since it does not specify a definition of Jewishness that it follows, and, on the other hand, is of very bad taste. There is no need to compile a list of Jews in Germany. It is intrinsically arbitrary, it therefore carries no information but can be potentially dangerous. I suggest it be deleted.Koskoci (talk) 01:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps some people regard this list as a Hall of Fame of these important personalities. This does not justify its existence though. If a person was a prominent Mathematician, Zionist or Civil Engineer, they will be given sufficient attention in Wikipedia under that entry.Koskoci (talk) 01:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a person of German Jewish ancestry, I would point out first of all that there are categories for Polish Jews, French Jews, etc. on Wikipedia, and that determining who is Jewish is often of interest to researchers trying to understand such phenomena as the exodus of thousands of German Jewish refugees in the late 1930s. It's not about having a hall of fame, but rather about understanding what happened in the world in the mid-20th century, who it affected, and how. The use of wikipedia categories is much better, and creates a dynamic page. I also like that it makes it unnecessary to refer to the fact of Jewishness in the article itself, which should be necessary only if the person was involved specifically in Jewish life. For example, a famous German physician ought to be in the category German Jews, but unless he is also famous for contributions to refugee appeals, leadership in the Jewish community, etc, the article itself does not need to refer to that. However, if the person was alive in 1938 and forced to flee for that reason, then it does seem very relevant. It's just a matter of trying to understand the lives of these people. Metzenberg (talk) 02:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously, this isn't a list of "German Jews" it's a list of notable Jewish people who lived in Germany during a certain time. The heading is sort of ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sethgodin (talk • contribs) 12:54, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hugo Lederer

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I did not find any indication for Jewishness of Hugo Lederer. The reference 60 indicates that he, as an important native, lived in the city Znojmo, but no indication that he was Jew. On the other side Hugo Lederer was since 1931 member of the organisation “Frontkämpferbund Stahlhelm“. The membership of Jews was not permitted. I suggest to delete him from the list.--Albugond (talk) 20:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Max Born

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I know that this has been discussed by people a lot, but I'd like to remove Max Born from the list. according to his wikipedia article:

"though Born was a Lutheran, he was classified as a "Jew" by the Nazi racial laws due to his ancestry"

I think that it is a sad irony that the classifications that this article uses are the same as the hateful policies of the third riech.(Lucas(CA) (talk) 23:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Removed

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I've removed Helmut Schmidt (I didnt bother to get any others, I'll assume someone with some wisdom will do that) because there was no source indicating he was Jewish, which makes sense seeing as he isn't Jewish and neither was his father, religiously or ethnically, by Jewish law and even by Nazi race laws. If you would like to make a category of non-Jewish people with partial Jewish descent then you could put him in there, but placing non practising people of only 1/2 descent (non-maternal) or even more wrong less that (such as 1/4) in a list called "German jews" is not only misleading but also incorrect. (75.118.14.255 (talk) 22:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)).[reply]

Wilhelm Dröscher

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There is no credible source that says he was a Jew, there is only a non-credible website that makes no sense so why would someone put Wilhelm Dröscher here? It should be proven or removed. --80.129.194.135 (talk) 14:53, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gregor Gysi

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Gysi is not Jewish. He has some Jewish ancestors, but he is not a Jew. (See the German-language Wikipedia article on him for more details.) His mother was not Jewish. Her mother was not Jewish. Gysi has a Jewish great-grandfather on his mother's side and various Jewish ancestors on his father's side, but he is not Jewish according to traditional Jewish law (halakhah) on descent. He is not Jewish in terms of his own religious practice. He calls himself a non-believer. Moreover, in Germany, some of his right-wing opponents call him Jewish as a reproach or a way to question his "Germanness." Or they wish to link his (former) Communism with his (supposed) Jewishness. It is not appropriate to have him on this list. Poldy Bloom (talk) 03:02, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to add that I understand this article includes people "of Jewish ancestry," but I do not think Gysi should be on the list. Heinrich von Friedberg, Eduard von Simson, and Heinrich Heine were all born Jewish, even if they were formally Christian in their adult lives. Albert Michelson and Adolf von Baeyer had a parent who was Jewish. Even Karl Marx -- who was NOT a Jew -- had Jewish-born parents. But Gysi's mother was not Jewish, and his father was, at best, of Jewish ancestry. But having a single Jewish grandmother (paternal) does not make a person a Jew, especially if that person claims to be atheist and not Jewish. Poldy Bloom (talk) 23:13, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Arno Lustiger

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He lived most of his life in Germany, but he came from Poland. His home town of Bedzin was part of Russian Poland and--when Lustiger was born--in post-WWI Poland. What's the criterion of Germanness here?Roger.Lustig (talk) 05:16, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I noticed that the following statement has been removed from the page by anonymous edit. I will leave it to those more familiar with the page to decide whether to restore it. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 18:23, 29 November 2016 (UTC) "The vast majority either left the country or were murdered in the Holocaust."[reply]

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Alec Empire

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Some evidence supporting his inclusion here would be welcomed. Roger.Lustig (talk) 02:27, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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