Talk:Rachel True

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I am concerned about the terms used to describe the movie "The Craft" on this page and the one for "Robin Tunney". I am afraid that we might be overstating its cultural impact and economic success. To call the movie a 'blockbuster' or a 'mega hit' implies that it did exceptionally well at the boxoffice. According to imdb, it only grossed 24 million in the US, on a budget of 15 million. That is why I originally excised the lines entirely. -DropDeadGorgias 18:35 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Sounds logical, I support removal of blockbuster where ever The Craft is discussed, and I also suggest someone looking into any and all articles that discuss The Craft, and checking for POV errors. In case you don't know, the easiest way to do this is to use this page: [1], or this page: [2] MB 18:43 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)

In addition, a lot of related articles, talk about how the movie inpacted gothic culture, implying that it caused teenagers to wear gothic clothing. I don't think that this is accurate, or NPOV. I don't really see how it can be proven that this movie affected goth culture anymore than any other movie where people dress in a gothic manner, and therefore, while it is alright to mention that the movie was popular among teenagers who participated in gothic culture b/c of the gothic dress in the movie, or to say that the costumes were gothic in nature, what this and other articles currently say is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. MB 18:53 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I also think that the term "New Age" is being misappropriated in these articles. I don't really see a connection between gothic style and the New Age Movement as a whole. -DropDeadGorgias 19:03 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Well, I didnt say that the movie was ALL that had to be credited for the new age or gothic movement, only that it had a significant part in it, but I didnt say it was THANKS to the movie. Obviously , it did have a significant part. Go out to the streets after 1996, you see more and more kids dressed in gothic. Its not point of view, its fact. The New Age Movement and Gothic Style dressing cionnect in, that many if not most, teenagers who dress gothic are into new age. The movie itself is a good example in that regard. I have been to many New Age stores where they sell gothic clothing

Ok, let me attempt to break this up point by point:

You didn't say the "movie was ALL that had to be credited for the new age or gothic movement", but the wording implied it. As I said above, it needed to be re-worded. Just stating "the movie was popular amongst teenagers for it's gothic style would have been better (but still over-stating it imo).

The reason there was "more and more kids dressed in gothic" after 1996, was not b/c of the movie. While I'm sure the movie was widely accepted by gothic (and even new age) culture, it is going too far to say that it played a significant part, and it is not Obvious, otherwise we would agree with you. It would be equivilant to saying the movie "Hackers" contributed heavily to the hacker movement (while it popularized "hacking" it actually harmed the non-cracking "hacking movement" [if you can call it that]).

While I'm sure the movie helped the gothic fashion industry, I doubt it was a significant as you claim it to be. To say "Many teenaged people, both boys and girls, started to dress like the four girls in the movie" is unclear. What is many? This is obviously a POV statement. Even if not, it is certainly not neutral, because it is open for interpritation.

While all of this information is relivant in some way to the movie Craft, it is not relivant to this article about someone who happened to be in the Craft movie. I will move all of this information from these various articles to a temp space under the Craft movie page, where people can edit it for style and/or wording, and then I will put it in the article under the Heading "Cultural inpact." I agree that it would be silly to say that the movie had no cultural inpact, but I think it needs to be put into prespective. MB 13:56 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)

The new temp space for writting the new Cultural inpact section can be found at The Craft (movie)/temp MB 14:07 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Please read the draft I have written up at The Craft (movie)/temp. I think that I have summarized the cultural impact as a part of the new wave of gothic interest. I also indicate that this is a speculation. I still resist the idea of using the term New age; if you read the wikipedia article on new age, it seems to be talking about a totally different movement. I associate the new age movement more with holistic medicine, and not with witchcraft. I believe that new age followers might even be offended at the suggestion. -DropDeadGorgias 14:25 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I think you are the ones who are POV because, while you have recognized that to some extent , whats written in these articles previously was right, in your opinion, your, and only your, opinion of the subject is right. How could it be NPOV when I say Many?? I didnt say ALL, then it would be POV. Many means that after the movie, a group of teenagers began to dress like that. Many is a word that certainly leaves things up for discussion. As far as new age, well, all I can say is that the local store at my mall, called New Age Outlet, sells witchcraft books and clothing, so yes, at least one person after me would agree with me in that point of view. However, this is wikipedia, and the best thing about this is, Wikipedia is an open content encyclopedia. Im willing to close this discussion if you are willing to admit that I am right about a couple of facts I wrote in those articles, the same way I admit that you are right about new age and holistic medicine, and that the gothic movement was there before the movie, althought I maintain the movie did help propulse it more.I remember to me and all my friends, for example, it was suddenly cool to dress that way, and well....thats how trends start.

In that case, should we change it to say the gothic movement was a teenage trend? ;). In any case, please add your input to The Craft (movie)/temp, we need this to be balanced. MB 00:35 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Let me clarify my argument. I think that it would be a huge overstatement to say that this movie was the main cause of a resurgence of interest in the gothic movement. The interest in gothic culture was already on the rise, and this movie could have merely been another manifestation of the public interest in witchcraft. As you've stated in your argument here, this movie was obviously very influential on 'you and your friends'. However, this does not mean that it was as meaningful for everyone. Therefore, if you put a statement about the impact of this movie, with only your personal experience to go on, you must put it in the context of an opinion. Finally, Antonio, I would like to add that we are not trying to squelch your POV in favor of our own. However, you must admit that before we started, the tone of these articles was decidedly gushy, and did not really fit the tone of the other articles in wikipedia. -DropDeadGorgias 13:43 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Rachel True cannot be 40 years old...

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2019

Rachel True is currently being attacked on twitter and someone has decided to edit her page to make it appear she's no longer an actor. The recent edits that she is currently a tarot reader rather than an accomplished currently working actress as well as author, tarot expert is designed to hurt her career.

Remove line that she is currently a tarot reader. The article linked is from several years ago when she was doing research for her upcoming tarot book and deck set for Houghten Mifflin Harcourt scheduled for release October 2020.

Rachel True appeared on several episodes of The Fox TV show Better Things in 2018, and is currently in Buffalo NY, shooting the film One day At A Time. 184.74.37.190 (talk) 04:15, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Upsidedown Keyboard (talk) 20:32, 19 December 2019 (UTC)