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See discussion at Talk:Obturate. Uncle G 00:10, 2005 Jan 12 (UTC)

Cold work?

How is this different from Cold work?--Cancun771 09:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As the second line in the article states, swaging is a form of cold working. The Cold work article dicusses cold work in general, and the chemical process specifically; whereas swaging is a specific application. Some cross-linking may be warranted. Bernard S. Jansen 06:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You realy do not want to go into this, rotary swaging heats up the workpiece if it is cold, and will cool it down if it is hot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.203.130.121 (talk) 21:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Precious metals

Swaging is normaly the method of choice for precious metals since there is no loss of material in the process, for example a pure silver tube weighing x grams is turned into a pen barrel that still weighs x grams. Someone please add a section about this ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.203.130.121 (talk) 21:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Inappropriate redirect

"Musical Instrument Repair" should not redirect to this article, as there is much more to the field of musical instrument repair than swaging. 71.221.127.92 (talk) 05:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Musical instrument repair" redirects here merely because there is no independent Wikipedia article on the repair of musical instruments, nor even a reference to it in the article on burnishing, which is traditionally much used in reshaping dents in brass instruments (though now often supplanted by magnetic dent removal, which has (at present) no Wikipedia article of its own). Mucketymuck (talk) 15:10, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reducing vs. increasing diameter

With respect to pipes, the article only mentions reduction of diameter. But swaging can also increase the diameter of pipes. See http://www.free-ed.net/sweethaven/bldgconst/plumbing01/lessonmain.asp?iNum=fra0203 and http://www.efunda.com/processes/metal_processing/swaging.cfm . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.253.228.96 (talk) 18:49, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In my experience (electronics), swaging includes outward forming and this respect is particularly different to crimping which is always inwards forming. I feel that this article currently lacks the outward forming aspect and that this is common, for example for pins into printed circuit board holes. I have consulted engineers from Liverpool, Leicester and Crawley (all UK) who all use the term swaging for this, not crimping. I suspect that usage of the terms swage & crimp has diverged and become more specific between industries. For example those fitting swage terminals to wire ropes are compressing but specifically all around, giving a more even deformation than crimping which seems to be used to indicate a localised pinch point. As examples in electronics, crimping would be the compressive deformation of a terminal onto a wire, whereas swaging would be the expanding of a pin so it grips the hole it is in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zwoorl (talk • contribs) 16:54, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Swaging can be either compressive or expansive. According the The Hydraulic Handbook, a swaged fitting will have a smooth finish whereas a crimped fitting will have crenulations around the circumference. This is due to the pinch points you described, literally squeezing the metal into raised ridges. Swaging implies a smooth and even deformation. Now, of course, the usage may vary between industries and even countries, in which case we're talking about jargon (terms with a very specific meaning within a particular field or industry). For example, the fittings themselves, used to put a loop in the end of a wire rope, are called swages, even though they may be swaged or crimped in place. Zaereth (talk) 17:25, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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"Swedging" for musical instrument repair

The text states, "In musical instrument repair the usual term on both sides of the Atlantic is swedging, not swaging,...". This implies only the British Isles and N America. What about South Asia and Australasia? To anyone who knows, please revise text appropriately. Acwilson9 (talk) 23:07, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2000 times a minute?

"A swaging machine works by using two or four split dies which separate and close up to 2,000 times a minute."

I have been swaging for thirty years and I've NEVER seen something that does that. I use a fly wheel press, it opens and closes about 20 times a minute. At 2,000 times a minute I'd lose a finger. What crazy machine are they talking about here? Some presses take multiple minutes just to close and again just to open depending on how much material they're working. I suspect whoever wrote it was reading it from somewhere else and has no idea what they're talking about. But I'm not a Wikipedia editor, I just fix typos here and there. Maybe someone who is can fix this? 2405:6E00:255:57D3:64B2:14A9:86A6:CAE9 (talk) 02:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that sounds fishy to me. Maybe the author was confusing this with RPMs of a rotary swage, but even that sounds too fast, as 2000 is more the average die-grinder speed. But for a die operation, that would be 33 times per second, which doesn't seem plausible. You typically only see cyclic rates that high in fighter-plane cannons. I went ahead and removed it, but in the future you can feel free to remove such statements yourself. Just leave your reasoning in the edit summary. Zaereth (talk) 21:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]