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Count of DYK Hooks | ||
Section | # of Hooks | # Verified |
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July 28 | 1 | |
August 3 | 1 | |
August 4 | 1 | |
August 5 | 1 | |
August 7 | 1 | 1 |
August 10 | 1 | 1 |
August 11 | 1 | |
August 14 | 1 | |
August 15 | 2 | 2 |
August 16 | 2 | 2 |
August 17 | 3 | 2 |
August 18 | 5 | 4 |
August 19 | 3 | 2 |
August 20 | 4 | 1 |
August 21 | 1 | |
August 22 | 1 | 1 |
August 23 | 3 | 1 |
August 24 | 5 | 1 |
August 25 | 9 | 7 |
August 26 | 5 | 2 |
August 27 | 8 | 6 |
August 28 | 12 | 9 |
August 29 | 13 | 8 |
August 30 | 14 | 5 |
August 31 | 8 | 6 |
September 1 | 5 | 5 |
September 2 | 7 | 4 |
September 3 | 6 | 4 |
September 4 | 4 | 3 |
September 5 | 4 | 2 |
September 6 | 5 | 1 |
September 7 | 8 | 1 |
September 8 | 5 | 2 |
September 9 | 8 | 3 |
September 10 | 6 | 5 |
September 11 | 4 | 2 |
September 12 | 10 | 5 |
September 13 | 3 | 1 |
September 14 | 4 | 4 |
September 15 | 13 | 4 |
September 16 | 7 | 2 |
September 17 | 5 | 1 |
September 18 | 10 | 5 |
September 19 | 6 | 2 |
September 20 | 8 | 1 |
September 21 | 5 | 2 |
September 22 | 6 | 1 |
September 23 | 9 | 4 |
September 24 | 6 | 1 |
September 25 | 4 | 1 |
September 26 | 4 | |
September 27 | ||
Total | 268 | 127 |
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Nominations
[edit]Older nominations
[edit]Articles created/expanded on July 28
[edit]Center squeeze
... that in Burlington's second election using ranked-choice voting, independent Bob Kiss was elected despite his opponent being preferred by over half the voters?ALT0a:... that in Burlington's second election by ranked-choice voting, Bob Kiss was elected despite his opponent being preferred by a majority of voters?
*ALT0b:... that in Alaska's first election by ranked-choice voting, Mary Peltola was elected despite her opponent Nick Begich being preferred by a majority of voters?- ALT1a:... that candidates can win under ranked-choice voting, even if their opponent is preferred by more than half of all voters?
- ALT1b:... that a candidate can win under ranked-choice voting even if their opponent is preferred by more than half of all voters?
- ALT2a:... that ranked-choice voting tends to favor extremists over consensus picks?
- ALT3a:...that the image to the right depicts how ranked-choice voting tends to favor extremist candidates, not a black hole?
- ALT4a:... that center squeeze has been blamed for costing Gary Johnson and Bernie Sanders the 2016 US election?
- Reviewed:
Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC).
- This is more of a comment than a review for now, but I have some reservations about the hook. For instance, the subject of the hook is Center squeeze, but the article is more about Burlington's second election. Unless you want to make it a double hook, I'm not sure if the current hook as written is appropriate or at least meets WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE regarding hooks being primarily about the subject. My suggestion would be to write a hook that's specifically about Center squeeze itself (perhaps something about its spoiler effect?), as opposed to a specific example. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm, maybe? I'm a bit torn, since I feel like concrete examples make it easier to understand the topic. I've added some possible alternatives, though.– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 17:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1a might have potential, but it's currently a WP:SEAOFBLUE and so may need to be fixed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed as best I could in Alt1b. I also added Alt0a, because I think an example of center squeeze is closely related (enough to satisfy the DYK guideline). I've also suggested the example of the AK special election, since I think it gets brought up in the lead of the article.– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 15:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1a might have potential, but it's currently a WP:SEAOFBLUE and so may need to be fixed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm, maybe? I'm a bit torn, since I feel like concrete examples make it easier to understand the topic. I've added some possible alternatives, though.– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 17:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've done some formatting to the hooks which may or may not rectify your concerns.--Launchballer 12:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, the new hooks should work. Given how the hooks based on examples are not only specific but may require specialist knowledge, I've struck them. The nom is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Closed Limelike Curves: There are huge amounts of unsourced content in this! Please fix them. When you've done that, I will give this a proper review.--Launchballer 11:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Fixed. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I still see unsourced content.--Launchballer 07:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Could you clarify where/how? I can't see any, apart from the fictional example. That one doesn't have citations because I thought examples of basic computations didn't require sources; I've seen similar examples on other math pages.– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- My gut says the Alphabet example, First past-the-post and Ranked choice runoff sections shouldn't be there, although I'm not sure on what policy grounds. (Maybe WP:DUE?) The sentence beginning "In the 2009 election" needs a cite that isn't Wikipedia and there are two WP:MEDIUM sources - what makes them reliable?--Launchballer 07:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Could you clarify where/how? I can't see any, apart from the fictional example. That one doesn't have citations because I thought examples of basic computations didn't require sources; I've seen similar examples on other math pages.– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- I still see unsourced content.--Launchballer 07:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Fixed. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Closed Limelike Curves: There are huge amounts of unsourced content in this! Please fix them. When you've done that, I will give this a proper review.--Launchballer 11:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, the new hooks should work. Given how the hooks based on examples are not only specific but may require specialist knowledge, I've struck them. The nom is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've done some formatting to the hooks which may or may not rectify your concerns.--Launchballer 12:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
I think the 2009 election is cited now. The Medium posts are written by a published expert in the field, and their claims are backed up by other sources I've added (but the blog posts have a more in-depth discussion).– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 03:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Closed Limelike Curves and Launchballer: There is less than a week to go before the nomination times out, so any issues will need to be addressed before the 28th. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- There are multiple passages in the "Examples" section where the source is unclear, or not listed. Flibirigit (talk) 22:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Closed Limelike Curves: implied above that the Alphabet example came under WP:CALC, although I would argue that it probably isn't necessary when you have two further examples to illustrate the point and so I've cut the section. As for a review, this is long enough and new enough, with no QPQ needed. Earwig flags similarity with [1], but the article attributes this so this should be fine. If source #23 says what I think it says, then ALT4: ... that the center squeeze has been blamed for costing Gary Johnson the 2016 US election? is more interesting than all of the above hooks but probably should be added to the article.--Launchballer 18:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oooh, I like that one. Done. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: There are just over two days left until timeout, is this ready to go? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:32, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Closed Limelike Curves and Narutolovehinata5: No, because I can't approve my own hook, and it isn't in the article anyway. Also, there can only be one winner, and so it will only have cost one of them the win.--Launchballer 00:12, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well time is running out, so if this is to still run, all remaining issues have to be addressed ASAP. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've added it to the article, so that's good to go. (I think @Launchballer: is saying he'd approve ALT4a, which is also my favorite, if it wasn't his own.)– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 02:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- I prefer ALT4, but I'll let an independent reviewer such as @Narutolovehinata5: decide.--Launchballer 05:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- I do think ALT4 is fine. My only concern, and this is a minor one, is that it might need slight reliance on knowing who Gary Johnson is or the circumstances of his presidential run. However, the main point works well enough that I think even someone who doesn't know him would find the hook intriguing enough. I'm probably not the best person to approve the hook, but I'd endorse ALT4 as the choice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- It helps, but I don't think it's necessary. Without it, the hook says 'the US election would otherwise have been won by someone else'.--Launchballer 00:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I do think ALT4 is fine. My only concern, and this is a minor one, is that it might need slight reliance on knowing who Gary Johnson is or the circumstances of his presidential run. However, the main point works well enough that I think even someone who doesn't know him would find the hook intriguing enough. I'm probably not the best person to approve the hook, but I'd endorse ALT4 as the choice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I prefer ALT4, but I'll let an independent reviewer such as @Narutolovehinata5: decide.--Launchballer 05:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've added it to the article, so that's good to go. (I think @Launchballer: is saying he'd approve ALT4a, which is also my favorite, if it wasn't his own.)– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 02:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well time is running out, so if this is to still run, all remaining issues have to be addressed ASAP. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Closed Limelike Curves and Narutolovehinata5: No, because I can't approve my own hook, and it isn't in the article anyway. Also, there can only be one winner, and so it will only have cost one of them the win.--Launchballer 00:12, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: There are just over two days left until timeout, is this ready to go? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:32, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oooh, I like that one. Done. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Closed Limelike Curves: implied above that the Alphabet example came under WP:CALC, although I would argue that it probably isn't necessary when you have two further examples to illustrate the point and so I've cut the section. As for a review, this is long enough and new enough, with no QPQ needed. Earwig flags similarity with [1], but the article attributes this so this should be fine. If source #23 says what I think it says, then ALT4: ... that the center squeeze has been blamed for costing Gary Johnson the 2016 US election? is more interesting than all of the above hooks but probably should be added to the article.--Launchballer 18:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 3
[edit]Asik-Asik Falls
- ... that the Asik-Asik Falls (pictured) were accidentally discovered?
- Source: INQUIRER
ALT1: ... that the Asik-Asik Falls (pictured) became viral after its discovery?Source: INQUIRER-2ALT2: ... that a picture of the Asik-Asik Falls (pictured) won a picture contest?Source: INQUIRER-2- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kimi wa Bara yori Utsukushī
- Comment: Accepted by the author.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
09:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC).
- Here are some more alt hooks:
- ALT3: ... that you can't see what feeds Asik-Asik Falls (pictured)? Source: INQUIRER-2
- ALT4: ... Asik-Asik Falls (pictured) aren't fed by a visible source? Source: INQUIRER-2
These are kind of what the falls are really known for, so I think that these would be more interesting. - DarkNight0917 (talk / contr) 23:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
new enough, long enough, image is fine, qpq done. some concerns:
- on the verge of rejecting alt0; to discover something, by definition, has to be an accident.
- rejecting alt1; not mentioned in article. also, readers won't know what it means for a waterfall to go viral. it was an image of the falls that went viral, and that's uninteresting, a lot of things go viral.
- rejecting alt2; uninteresting (and probably undue to mention in the article).
- alt3/4's source says that
Where the water comes from is still a mystery.
it's not visible, yes, but it's also not known, unless there's something i'm missing.
- refs 2, 3, and 7 are travel guides/blogs; are these reliable?
It receives over 500 tourists on weekdays and 1,000 on weekends
is cited to a 2014 source and probably outdated
ltbdl☃ (talk) 07:30, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Don't know what's wrong with alt3 and 4, the blogs are reliable since these are usually for expansion and regularly do no harm in DYK. Fixed the outdated thing by adding a note.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
13:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)- @TheNuggeteer:
regularly do no harm
? do you have examples? ltbdl☃ (talk) 17:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC) - @TheNuggeteer: If the article cites blogs with no kind of peer review or editorial process, ltbdl is right that those should be removed before appearing at DYK. Could that be addressed? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have removed the travel/blogs from the article and added material that was not in the article. Catfurball (talk) 21:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- @DarkNight0917:, since this is your article you should over my edits if you want this article on the main portal page. Catfurball (talk) 21:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. The blogs have been removed and replaced with better sources. I've also proposed other ALT hooks that are more specific about the origins of the water:
- @TheNuggeteer:
- ALT5: ... that Asik-Asik Falls's (pictured) water comes from crevices in a cliffside? Source: INQUIRER-2
- ALT6: ... that Asik-Asik Falls's (pictured) water comes from a source inside a cliff? Source: INQUIRER-2 - DarkNight0917 (talk / contr) 01:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 4
[edit]Laurence Patrick Lee
- ... that New Zealand mathematician Laurence Patrick Lee worked his way to England to find a cure for his stammer and was speaking normally after just 18 minutes of instruction?
- Source: "N.Z. Man Cured Of Stammering By British 'Expert' ", Greymouth Evening Star, 11 Dec 1950, [N.Z.P.A. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT], "When Mr L. P. Lee [...] read in a Jersey newspaper that Mr William C. Kerr, M.A., of St Helier, had discovered a cure for stammering he decided to get a year's leave of absence from the Lands and Survey Department and to work his way to England. ¶ Lee had been stammering all his life and he felt that Mr Kerr could help him. He worked as engineer’s steward in the Trojan Star, arrived in England on November 13 and 18 minutes after seeing Mr Kerr on November 18 he was speaking normally. ¶ Recorded Proof ¶ Mr Kerr took a recording of Lee stammering the date and time before instructing him. He took a second recording 18 minutes later with Lee now stating the date and time without stammering.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Alternate hooks could talk about his map projections (and could include map pictures, if a picture is needed), but this story seemed like a better human interest hook.
–jacobolus (t) 00:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC).
Length, history and reference verified. Earwig looks OK even though I couldn't use Google because it said we had sent too many queries to it.
However ... the end of one graf was uncited, and so I have tagged it. It should be easy to fix. Daniel Case (talk) 19:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I added some examples of other high impact books/papers which have cited and discussed Lee's paper (the claim in the article was that it was influential). –jacobolus (t) 19:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Daniel Case, have the issues been addressed? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay. All but one of those sources are paywalled from where I am, but since the one that isn't describes the cited paper as "well-known", we'll take your word for it. Daniel Case (talk) 17:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I could go either way on this, but anyone else a little uncomfortable with sourcing a medical story claim to a 1950 newspaper? It's not a MEDRS claim, but it's not an uncontroversial one, either. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay. All but one of those sources are paywalled from where I am, but since the one that isn't describes the cited paper as "well-known", we'll take your word for it. Daniel Case (talk) 17:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Daniel Case, have the issues been addressed? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
The article says that he continued to work with the specialist for weeks, which seems to contradict the hook? Looking around online for sources about quickly curing a stammer, I found "There is no instant cure for stuttering., contrary to popular belief, there isn't a permanent fix to overcoming a stammer, and therapies and courses are not a cure or a 'quick fix' for stammering. Open to alternative hooks or being proven wrong, Rjjiii (talk) 15:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC) Forgot to ping jacobolus, Rjjiii (talk) 16:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe you can think of a better phrasing for a hook (or we could come up with an alternate hook not having to do with the stammer). The claim from the news article is that Kerr recorded Lee saying the date and time when he first arrived, stammering, and then 18 minutes later took another recording of him saying the date and time, not stammering – i.e. just saying one simple sentence, not an ability to fluently speak without stammering. (The news article author presumably listened to this recording.) Then he stayed for another few weeks with Kerr to work on it, and by the time he left he considered himself cured with only a slight occasional stammer remaining. I don't think the claimed "cure" here was ever perfect, but Kerr really did have a stammering clinic in Jersey for decades, apparently with significant success, with people coming from all over the world to work with him. After 1955 Kerr's clinic was hosted in this funny boat-shaped building in Jersey called "Barge Aground", which can nowadays be rented by tourists. There are a couple of pictures of Kerr here, and some other patients. –jacobolus (t) 18:48, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Here's the full news article:
- N.Z. Man Cured Of Stammering By British “Expert”
[N.Z.P.A. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT]
LONDON, December 10 (Rec. 9 a.m.).—When Mr L. P. Lee, of 195 The Terrace, Wellington, read in a Jersey newspaper that Mr William C. Kerr, M.A., of St Helier, had discovered a cure for stammering he decided to get a year’s leave of absence from the Lands and Survey Department and to work his way to England. Lee had been stammering all his life and he felt that Mr Kerr could help him. He worked as engineer’s steward in the Trojan Star, arrived in England on November 13 and 18 minutes after seeing Mr Kerr on November 18 he was speaking normally. Recorded Proof
Mr Kerr took a recording of Lee stammering the date and time before instructing him. He took a second recording 18 minutes later with Lee now stating the date and time without stammering. Lee stayed with Mr Kerr for a fortnight and when he returned to London his brother Mr M. G. Lee, who is teaching at a college and who had been most sceptical was “astounded” at the change. Mr L. P. Lee told the Press Association: “I am thoroughly happy about the cure. I know that whenever I want to I can speak normally and I could even make a public speech now.” Only a slight occasional stammer is noticeable -in his speech and he counted rapidly up to 20. Discovery Made
Mr Kerr said: “When I was a student at Glasgow University 16 years ago I had. to write a thesis on philosophy. In doing so I came across a psychological discovery. From this I discovered the cause and then the cure of stammering.” “Its taken me a long time and I’ve had to contend with a good deal of scepticism and' opposition. But I’ve had 90 per cent success with 50 cases. I’m not a doctor but I believe I have a mission and I am making this my life’s work. I charge a fee which I shall reduce as I get more patients,” stated Mr Kerr.
- N.Z. Man Cured Of Stammering By British “Expert”
- –jacobolus (t) 18:55, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: Have your concerns been addressed? If not, what else does @Jacobolus: need to do?--Launchballer 19:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Jacobolus and Launchballer: No, because "
Kerr really did have a stammering clinic in Jersey for decades, apparently with significant success, with people coming from all over the world to work with him
" is true, but when I dig through sources, many of them make his treatment sound ineffective:- "
It was after his mother died when he was 15 that his dad found a "miracle cure" at an unusual school in Jersey. 'I was basically "cured" by being beaten up. I went to a school run by a man called Bill Kerr. He maintained stammering was a fear of words and if he could make your brain understand that stammering was scarier than speaking, he could cure you. We had to stand bolt upright, speaking slowly and if we stammered he hit us. Slapped round the face punched in the stomach, smacked in the back of the head. I ordered soup one night and I stammered and he dunked my head in the bowl. But after three days I was speaking for the first time in my life.'
"[2] - "
During our many exchanges, we discovered that (in the 1960's) we had both attended a two weeks course in Jersey (a small island located between the UK and France), run by the late Dr Bill Kerr (from Scotland). With his typical frankness, Marty often referred to Kerr as a charlatan.
"[3] - "
I spent three intense weeks on the British Isle of Jersey at a 'school for stutterers' run by a scoundrel. Dr. William C. Kerr, Ph.D., as he insisted on calling himself, had steel-blue eyes and a ferocious temperament. He promised to cure his class of stutterers "in a fortnight," and indeed, he worked with me and seven other stutterers for twenty days, eight to twelve hours a day. As long as he held us in his intimidating gaze, we dared not stutter. Unfortunately, he was not for rent and did not travel. When I returned to the United States, I was still stuttering.
"[4] Or the 'doctor of something or other who lived on the Isle of Jersey in the English Channel,' who sent Marty's father a written promise that he'd effect a cure 'in a fortnight.' So off to Jersey flew Marty, to confront a sergeant- major type whose idea was 'to toughen us up as if we were recruits in the British Army. . . . To stumble even the slightest bit was to provoke his fury. Not only would he yell at us (and, from six inches away, splatter us with spit), but he'd grab us by the shirt or the scruff of the collar and shake us out of our stammering softness,' Jezer writes. The doctor seemed to think that spontaneous speech was women's talk. Men . . . wouldn't squander their power with idle chatter. We were to be silent unless we had something important, manly, to say.' Lord, lord. And it all amounted, of course, to nothing. The Jersey doc could bully patients into brief stutter-free performances. Marty's parents wanted badly to believe he was cured. His father died in that belief. Marty's not cured, and lives with the fact that he never will be.
[5][6]- "
the late William Kerr, a roving unlicensed speech therapist from the Isle of Jersey [...] On the first day [of the Kerr course] we were gathering at the motel and going through the ritual of introductions. One man put his hand out to me and said, 'My name is ... uh ... actually . .. my name is Jim." Afterwards one of the other men in the group who had a highly noticeable stutter shook his head and said, in an aside to me, "What a fool! I'd rather stammer my head off than avoid like that. It looks ridiculous. People must think he's crazy' [...] The simplest way to conceal stuttering is to avoid speaking.
"[7][8]
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- It feels weird to attribute a near-miracle cure to a man that so many folks seemed to say just intimidated people into shutting up for a bit. Also, theleekycauldron why do you say it's not WP:MEDRS? Rjjiii (talk) 05:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Because asserting that a treatment worked once doesn't require asserting that it works in general; it's entirely possible that this story is true, whether by luck of the draw or complete coincidence, but Kerr is in general a charlatan. It's a narrow interpretation of MEDRS, and I probably wouldn't include the claim myself, but I don't think a meta-analysis is necessary to support the details of one person's life experience. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 05:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your research. Kerr's record does sound a lot more mixed than the couple other sources I found in my quick internet skim. I don't think it's a "miracle" if an aggressive (perhaps to the point of abusive) method was sometimes a complete failure and even source of trauma but also sometimes found some success and even appreciation from the patients. Whether or not it could be considered a "cure" by some rigid criteria (marketing + newspaper hype typically tends to moderate exaggeration), at least some people clearly felt that their stuttering was significantly ameliorated and their life was thereby improved. But I can understand your skepticism about promoting a controversial and probably now illegal medical treatment from the Wikipedia front page. I could try to come up with an alternative hook, but making a not-bland one about Lee's map projection work might require adding a bit more detail about that topic to the article / hunting for more sources: I know some things I personally appreciate about Lee's work, but I'm not sure if there's a good secondary source voicing those comments. –jacobolus (t) 05:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I clicked through your first link, Rjjiii, and while the part you quoted makes Kerr's treatment sound outright abusive, the following paragraph also makes it sound like it was ultimately helpful, perhaps life changing, for the patient:
Now a patron of the British Stammering Association, he says he is indebted to Kerr for teaching him tricks which have helped him forge a career as a sports pundit, appearing on television and radio. "He taught us how to use words, and how to know when someone's using speech to intimidate you. So I have this whole bag of tricks now. It has served me so well. ¶ "But I do Newsnight with Jeremy Paxman and I still have to go to the toilet for a couple of minutes before to compose myself like Bill Kerr told me."
–jacobolus (t) 16:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)- @Jacobolus: I don't think the sourcing is there to describe Kerr's treatment as something that can cure a stutter in a month in Wikipedia's voice. Rather than continue to discuss it, could I invite you to either ping another editor or maybe post a notice to Wikipedia talk:Did you know or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine? If I'm outvoted on the sourcing, I'll accept the consensus. Regarding an article on Kerr, I will likely pass on it, but appreciate the suggestion. If you decide to write him up, something I found limited information on but must have been a huge deal is that he apparently was an early speech therapist for George VI. Rjjiii (talk) 19:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- I clicked through your first link, Rjjiii, and while the part you quoted makes Kerr's treatment sound outright abusive, the following paragraph also makes it sound like it was ultimately helpful, perhaps life changing, for the patient:
- By the way, Rjjiii, would you consider making a Wikipedia article about Kerr himself? It seems like a worthy subject and you've already done significant research here. –jacobolus (t) 05:37, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Here's another source, Petrunik 1974:
The "Kerr method" refers to a method of speaking taught by W. C. Kerr in a two-week course, as a "cure" for stuttering. The method essentially involves a standardized temporal ordering (time-on/time-off sequence) of speech. Each word is syllabilized and there are split second pauses between each syllable; for example, I-am-a-u-ni-ver-si-ty stu-dent. The individual is told to stand in a ram-rod straight fashion with his head up high. Unfortunately, such a manner of speech, though technically fluent, does not meet the expectations for normal speech in North America. Its effects have been described as mechanical, stilted, and artificial.
I can well imagine that some patients might consider adopting a method like this to be inadequate while others might think it beneficial (compared to an alternative of being unable or barely able to speak in many contexts due to a heavy stutter or associated anxiety) despite some obvious drawbacks. –jacobolus (t) 05:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Jacobolus and Launchballer: No, because "
- @Rjjiii: Have your concerns been addressed? If not, what else does @Jacobolus: need to do?--Launchballer 19:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 5
[edit]Liberalism in the Philippines
- ... that liberalism in the Philippines was mostly used during revolutions?
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
04:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC).
- @TheNuggeteer: There are multiple {{page needed}} tags on this article. Please rectify them.--Launchballer 23:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Long enough, new enough. QPQ done. Earwig highlights a couple of phrases, but I can't think of another way of wording them so calling WP:LIMITED. I think the {{improve categories}} template should be resolved. Could you talk me through the sourcing for the hook?--Launchballer 23:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed the improve categories tag, what do you need?
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
03:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)- I'm not seeing where in the article the hook is spelt out, unless I'm going blind.--Launchballer 09:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- The Philippine revolution and martial law, which both signify the ideology was used in revolutions.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
04:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)- that's not "mostly". ltbdl☃ (talk) 05:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- The Philippine revolution and martial law, which both signify the ideology was used in revolutions.
- I'm not seeing where in the article the hook is spelt out, unless I'm going blind.--Launchballer 09:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed the improve categories tag, what do you need?
- Long enough, new enough. QPQ done. Earwig highlights a couple of phrases, but I can't think of another way of wording them so calling WP:LIMITED. I think the {{improve categories}} template should be resolved. Could you talk me through the sourcing for the hook?--Launchballer 23:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
What do you mean by that? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
08:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- The hook reads as quite unspecific and vague, the meaning is not clear to a reader with no background. It would be better to have a more specific and concrete fact. CMD (talk) 08:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Another hook: ALT1: ...that the first liberalist party in the Philippines ended from government suppression? SRC
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
08:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)- Better, but you'd need an end-of-sentence citation for that party being the first.--Launchballer 10:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- What do you mean by that?
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
11:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)- The fact that the Comite de Reformadores was the first liberalist party needs an end-of-sentence citation. See that link for what that means.--Launchballer 11:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- The sentence uses the same citation as the rest, but added just in case.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
11:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)- Let's roll.--Launchballer 11:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: This fails WP:DYKTAG. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- In my defense, that was added after I approved this. I already fixed what I considered to be the worst errors.--Launchballer 09:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: This fails WP:DYKTAG. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Let's roll.--Launchballer 11:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- The sentence uses the same citation as the rest, but added just in case.
- The fact that the Comite de Reformadores was the first liberalist party needs an end-of-sentence citation. See that link for what that means.--Launchballer 11:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- What do you mean by that?
- Better, but you'd need an end-of-sentence citation for that party being the first.--Launchballer 10:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Another hook: ALT1: ...that the first liberalist party in the Philippines ended from government suppression? SRC
- Hook may need rewording before promotion because ALT0 just doesn't flow as it should DimensionalFusion (talk ▪ she/her) 21:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think a new review is required given the maintenance banner and the odd phrasing of the hook DimensionalFusion (talk · she/her) 10:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 11
[edit]Jacques Lewis
- ... that Jacques Lewis is believed to have been the last living French veteran of D-Day?
- Source: "Believed to be the last surviving Frenchman to wade ashore with Americans, he was attached to an Army unit that stormed Utah Beach and helped drive Germans out of France."
Thriley (talk) 16:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC). Review
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - The article was copied from the French Wikipedia
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - The NYT source does not support the hook as written because it only covers the US landings but there were British and Canadian beaches on D-Day too. A claim of first/last is a Redflag and so needs excellent verification.
- Interesting:
- Other problems: - "Believed" is a weasel word and/or expression of doubt. If this is a definite fact, as it should be, then we should state it as such without such tentative language.
QPQ: - Not provided yet. done Note current discussions about limiting nominations on credit like this.
Overall: I'm not sure of the formal status of translations but this review template asks Is the article free of material copied from other sources?
and it isn't. The article seemed to need some copy-editing and so further work of that kind may soften the issue. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your review. Will fix up shortly. Thriley (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
ALT1... that Jacques Lewis, a 105 year old French veteran of D-Day, insisted that he participate in a ceremony commemorating the invasion's 80th anniversary? Thriley (talk) 20:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: Have your concerns been addressed, and does this hook work? If not, what else needs to be done to get this approved? Z1720 (talk) 14:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- The QPQ has been done and the ALT1 hook seems ok. I raised the issue of translation at WT:DYK but, iirc, most responders didn't seem to be bothered about this.
- Looking at the article, I notice that the lead is too short, being just one sentence, and there's just a generic section title of "Biography" which isn't helpful to the reader. So, some copy-editing still seems needed. I'll keep a tab open and make a pass through it myself to see if that helps or turns up any issues. More anon...
- Andrew🐉(talk) 14:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Regarding "believed", the is what the New York Times states. It is extremely unlikely there are any other living French vets of the American landings on D-Day. I'll change it to "was" if there are no objections. Thriley (talk) 20:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- I can't find a single WP:RS which says he was the last survivor. On the other hand, I've found plenty of sources (both American and French) which equivocate with "believed to be", "one of", or similar.[9][10][11][12][13] so we should do the same. RoySmith (talk) 22:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 14
[edit]Hammond's Hard Lines
... that depending on the edition, a fairy or a gremlin grants wishes to the titular character of Hammond's Hard Lines?
- Source: "Books of the Day: 'Hammond's Hard Lines'". The Liverpool Mercury. 1901-12-12. p. 10. Retrieved 2024-08-20 – via Newspapers.com. / "Review of Books for Backward Readers". The Slow Learning Child. 3 (3): 173–183. 1957. doi:10.1080/0156655570030308. ISSN 1034-912X. Retrieved 2024-08-20 – via Taylor & Francis Online.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Takara's Treasure
- Comment: A.K.A. C for Charlie (as a handful online have nicknamed the 1957 version for almost a decade and a half now).
Filler project in light of higher-priority AFC tasks; inspired by this August 2024 filing at the Literature StackExchange, which came up on the parent service's "Hot Network Questons" feed one day during my perusal at GIS.SE (I'm currently engaged in a comeback geofictional project). First of two DYK nominations from yours truly today; stay tuned in a few hours for the other one.
Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC).
- Note that the hook as currently written might possibly not meet WP:DYKFICTION; as such, it will either need to be revised with additional real-world context, or a new hook needs to be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Slgrandson: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 23:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Hammond's Hard Lines was one of the few school stories to feature fantasy in its plot?Source: Wotton, Joy; Auchmuty, Rosemary, eds. (2000). "Skelton Kuppord (Pseudonym for Sir John Adams)". The Encyclopaedia of School Stories. Ashgate. p. 211. ISBN 0-7546-0083-1. Retrieved 2024-09-08 – via Google Books Snippets.
- ALT1 as currently written is inaccurate: there are countless examples from anime and manga alone, let alone other genres of literature. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
ALT1b: ... that Hammond's Hard Lines was one of the few school stories by a British author to feature fantasy in its plot?Source: Wotton, Joy; Auchmuty, Rosemary, eds. (2000). "Skelton Kuppord (Pseudonym for Sir John Adams)". The Encyclopaedia of School Stories. Ashgate. p. 211. ISBN 0-7546-0083-1. Retrieved 2024-09-08 – via Google Books Snippets. (Emphasis on the nationality this time; apologies if I didn't sign last time.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 03:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)- I really have doubts about this angle to be honest. It's a rather exceptional claim and thus needs exceptional sourcing, and I can't imagine that the hook is actually all that accurate, especially when Harry Potter exists. The term "few" in this case is also vague. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- It also has to be noted that the "by a British author" is not supported by the article or quote either, so unless that's resolved then ALT1b fails verification. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- All that's left among my options is a review:
- ALT2: ... that The Bookseller viewed Hammond's Hard Lines as "a very diverting amalgam of a fairy tale and an ordinary story of schoolboy life"? Source: "Messrs. Blackie & Son's Books for the Young: Hammond's Hard Lines. By Skelton Kuppord". The Christmas Bookseller. December 1894. p. 11. Retrieved 2024-09-19 – via Google Books. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 04:55, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- That could work, but this would still need a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:50, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 as currently written is inaccurate: there are countless examples from anime and manga alone, let alone other genres of literature. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Slgrandson: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 23:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 17
[edit]Abortion in Guinea
- ... that Guinea has a law banning abortion, but an interpretation of the law says that receiving an abortion is not illegal?
- Source: [14] [my translation] For this legal journalist, the Guinean penal code cannot condemn a woman who has had an abortion.
— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 04:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not surprising or interesting, most abortion laws focus on prosecuting abortion providers rather than recipients. (t · c) buidhe 06:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Vigilantcosmicpenguin: Please address the above.--Launchballer 09:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- How about this kind of similar statement:
- ALT1: ... that lawyers disagree about which circumstances allow legal abortion in Guinea?
- Source: [15]
— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 17:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed.--Launchballer 21:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- This won't be a full review but the point of lawyers is to disagree. Bremps... 22:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed.--Launchballer 21:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Vigilantcosmicpenguin: Please address the above.--Launchballer 09:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems: - "Cases" seem to be a magnet for otherwise irrelevant abortion stories that hit the news for one or two days. Perhaps it would be better to remove that section.
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting: - People discussing in which circumstances a law may or may not be applicable happens with basically all laws. In special laws about controversial stuff, such as abortion.
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Cambalachero (talk) 19:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 19
[edit]Daniela Larreal
- ... that although cyclist Daniela Larreal thought in 2004 that she would only have a few more years in her career, she was preparing for the 2016 Summer Olympics when forced into exile?
- Source: Sources in article
Kingsif (talk) 20:44, 20 August 2024 (UTC).
Self-withdrawing as this is currently at ITN (as RD). Kingsif (talk) 22:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Kingsif: Note that if a subject is featured on ITN under Recent deaths, it remains eligible for DYK. DYK ineligibility only applies to bolded links in blurbs (so for example, Paetongtarn Shinawatra is ineligible for DYK for one year after the blurb was posted), but not to Recent deaths entries. With that in mind, are you sure you want to withdraw the nomination instead of allowing it to proceed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: If that's the case, happy to proceed with it, and I've struck my last comment. Kingsif (talk) 15:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- TBH, I think your original thought made sense. The big picture of our rules is to show our readers a variety of topics. If we show them something that they've just seen in a different main page section, regardless of how we wiki-lawyer the exceptions, it's still going to be repetitive. RoySmith (talk) 22:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see why that's an issue. RDs have run on DYK many times before and the rules explicitly allow for it. Besides, RD just shows a person's name whereas DYK gives more information, so they work differently and can co-exist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- It'll get accepted or it won't, I wanted to save someone the time reviewing this, but I guess the info's there that they could deny it anyway. Kingsif (talk) 21:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- TBH, I think your original thought made sense. The big picture of our rules is to show our readers a variety of topics. If we show them something that they've just seen in a different main page section, regardless of how we wiki-lawyer the exceptions, it's still going to be repetitive. RoySmith (talk) 22:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: If that's the case, happy to proceed with it, and I've struck my last comment. Kingsif (talk) 15:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Kingsif: Note that if a subject is featured on ITN under Recent deaths, it remains eligible for DYK. DYK ineligibility only applies to bolded links in blurbs (so for example, Paetongtarn Shinawatra is ineligible for DYK for one year after the blurb was posted), but not to Recent deaths entries. With that in mind, are you sure you want to withdraw the nomination instead of allowing it to proceed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 20
[edit]Jools Lebron
- ... that following the success of Jools Lebron's "demure" videos, she stated that she was able to use the proceeds to pay for her gender transition - only for someone else to trademark it? Source: https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/demure-creater-tiktok-jools-lebron-gender-transition-1236109680/ for transition, https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/08/26/very-demure-very-mindful-jools-lebron-tiktok/ for skulduggery
- ALT1: ... that the August 2024 "demure" TikTok trend was started by Jools Lebron? Source: per ALT0
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Michael Jerrell
- Comment: Drive-by nom. Appears to meet minimum standards, will go through with a fine-toothed comb when I don't have a 7-day clock ticking. The bit of ALT0 after the dash probably deserves WP:DYKTRIMming but I see no harm in adding it post hoc for the promoter's consideration.
Launchballer 16:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC).
Arekia Bennett
- ... that despite graduating with a physics degree, Arekia Bennett turned to civic activism due to her political concerns regarding reproductive rights and the electoral process?
- Source: https://www.splcenter.org/news/2020/11/02/vote-your-voice-mississippi-grantee-organizations-are-challenging-systemic-voter Arekia Bennett was a physics and chemistry major at a Mississippi university when she tuned into local and regional politics. “As a young woman in the Deep South, I started to understand that there were so many issues I cared about, like control over my own body, that were intrinsically tied to the electoral process,” Bennett said.
- Reviewed:
CaptainAngus (talk) 16:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC).
- How is this surprising or interesting? Many people who go into politics or advocacy don't have polisci degrees. (t · c) buidhe 13:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Two alternative hooks below:
- ALT1: ...that despite intending to become a physics teacher, Arekia Bennett turned to civic activism due to her political concerns regarding reproductive rights and the electoral process?
- Additional source for ALT1: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/25/us/freedom-summer-mississippi-votes.html “This is about creating a culture of civic engagement, not just during the election season. We want people to understand the political landscape and be involved on and off the clock,” said Ms. Bennett, a Jackson State University graduate who wanted to be a physics teacher before turning to civic activism.
- ALT2: ...that voting-rights activist Arekia Bennett based a 2017 mass voter registration effort in Mississippi on Freedom Summer?
- Source for ALT2: https://jacksonadvocateonline.com/ms-votes-the-next-generation-of-freedom-fighters-are-here/ “In 2017, [the organization] started to test this theory of what it means to do mass voter registration in the same ways that folks did during Freedom Summer,” says Bennett.
- CaptainAngus (talk) 01:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about these hooks either: #1 are very common reasons for political activism in the US and #2 is a commonly cited inspiration for voter registration. (t · c) buidhe 02:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Additional alternative hooks below:
- ALT2a: ...that voting-rights activist Arekia Bennett aimed to recreate Freedom Summer, Mississippi's 1964 voter registration drive, in 2017?
- Source for ALT2a: https://jacksonadvocateonline.com/ms-votes-the-next-generation-of-freedom-fighters-are-here/ “In 2017, [the organization] started to test this theory of what it means to do mass voter registration in the same ways that folks did during Freedom Summer,” says Bennett.
- ALT3: ...that Arekia Bennett is focused on voting rights for Mississippi citizens including young queer people and children who have gone through the juvenile justice system?
- Source for ALT3: https://www.djournal.com/mississippi-today/the-story-behind-the-technology-that-mississippi-votes-uses-to/article_8fe12716-715e-56e3-9a32-fc3a38f033e8.html Arekia Bennett throws herself into a chair in front of a dark red accent wall and rattles off a list of positions she hopes to fill as quickly as possible at Mississippi Votes, the nonprofit she has led as executive director for almost a year. <break> More specifically, they focus on people ages 18 to 35 as well as young queer people and people who have experienced the juvenile justice system.
- CaptainAngus (talk) 01:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed now that multiple alternate hooks have been proposed. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 21
[edit]...Well, Better Than the Alternative
- ... that "...Well, Better Than the Alternative" contains lyrics that act as "conceptual red herrings" to obstruct Will Wood's intention?
- ALT1: ... that the music video for "...Well, Better Than the Alternative" applies handmade paintings to live action footage of Will Wood through EBsynth? Source: https://newnoisemagazine.com/video-premiere-will-wood-well-better-than-the-alternative/
- Reviewed:
Koopastar (talk) 02:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC).
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- Interesting: - See comments below.
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: Article was created 21 August and nominated on the same day. Fine article overall, thanks for your contribution. Regarding the hooks: the piped link to Will Wood (musician) should be updated to link to the article Will Wood directly, as redirects are not allowed. ALT0 is good, but somewhat more vague and mysterious than it is interesting, I think. ALT1 is more interesting, but jargony - I had to go looking through the source to learn what EBSynth is or why it's important. Can the software be omitted from the hook? As a suggestion:
- ALT1a: ... that the music video for "...Well, Better Than the Alternative" uses software to render handmade paintings over live action footage of musician Will Wood?"
- -- Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Ivanvector: I agree with your proposed hook, as it is easier to understand than what I wrote. Koopastar (talk) 17:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, then approved with hook ALT1a. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure if you can approve your own hook DimensionalFusion (talk · she/her) 10:42, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, new review needed for ALT1a. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure if you can approve your own hook DimensionalFusion (talk · she/her) 10:42, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, then approved with hook ALT1a. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Ivanvector: I agree with your proposed hook, as it is easier to understand than what I wrote. Koopastar (talk) 17:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 23
[edit]Diet culture
- ... that diet culture was intertwined with scientific racism in the late 19th century, including the common belief among medical practitioners that black women were unable to control their consumption?
- Source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-racist-roots-of-fighting-obesity2/, “In the eyes of many medical practitioners in the late 19th century, Black women were destined to die off along with the men of their race because of their presumed inability to control their “animal appetites”—eating, drinking and fornicating. These presumptions were not backed by scientific data but instead embodied the prevailing racial scientific logic at the time. Later, some doctors wanted to push Black men to reform their aesthetic preferences. Valorizing voluptuousness in Black women, these physicians claimed, validated their unhealthy diets, behaviors and figures.”
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- Comment: I’m open to alternative hook ideas. Thank you very much!
FortunateSons (talk) 17:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC).
- I made an error: I wrote the article through AfC, but I’m not the person who moved it into mainspace. Can I just fix that manually, or is there a different way to do it? FortunateSons (talk) 17:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Everything is fine, there is no error. The article was moved to mainspace with a procedural move by an AfC’er, so noting it was moved to mainspace up above by yourself is acceptable, as it could refer to the general process alone in this instance. If nobody reviews in the next several days, I will do so. Viriditas (talk) 08:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Viriditas:Thank you very much! I’ll try to implement the suggested changes during the next few days. FortunateSons (talk) 07:39, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: @FortunateSons: Please give WP:DYKTRIM another read to see if you can shorten the hook. I think you can get rid of the word "common", reduce "medical practitioners" to doctors (or the equivalent) and "consumption" to eating, to start. Viriditas (talk) 09:29, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I’m happy to straightforwardly cut down per your suggestion (that diet culture was connected with scientific racism in the 19th century, including the belief among doctors that black women were unable to control their eating?), or would alternatively suggest (that the 19th-century belief among doctors that black women were unable to control their eating is now considered part of diet culture?) I would cite to the teen vogue article (ref 3) either way to avoid any OR issue, but trust your judgement regarding which hook is better? FortunateSons (talk) 18:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- @FortunateSons: I would avoid poor sources like Teen Vogue for a DYK hook about medical history and focus on the best sources available, leaning towards scholarly and academic ones, if available. You also need to fix the authors in the cited source. You have Condé Nast cited as the author, but that's the publisher. The authors of the article are Cameron Katz and Annie Elledge. Elledge is the subject matter expert here, but she's still a PhD student in the Department of Geography at UNC. Her dissertation is on the weight-inclusive wellness industry in North Carolina’s Research Triangle, which is frankly, an interesting subject, but I don't think she's published it yet. She has published similar research before.[16] That article implies she's citing Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fat Phobia (2019) by sociologist Sabrina Strings, but there was some minor criticism (Laura Jennings in our Wikipedia article). Glancing at Strings 2019, I don't see anything about "diet culture", so one wonders if this is Elledge's thesis that connects the two ideas together. If so, I think we need to be careful here, as I all I see here is her Master's thesis, as it looks like she's still working on her PhD. My personal opinion is that we should stick with the expert sources that we have, not the future experts. If Elledge is simply citing Strings, we need to be careful about closely linked this is to the concept of diet culture because Strings doesn't talk about this, and Elledge is not yet an expert in her field. So, on the one hand, I think your hook is important, on the other, I think we need to focus on solid hooks that are rooted in material directly about the subject based on good sources. You might want to look to see if Sabrina Strings has talked about diet culture, as that would seal the deal. Viriditas (talk) 18:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- @FortunateSons: For what it's worth, registered dietitian and nutritionist Christy Harrison does discuss this material in the context of diet culture in "Chapter 1: The Roots of Diet Culture" in Anti-Diet (2019) . I'm working from an epub, so I'm not sure of the exact page number, but you can read the material here. As you can see, this is the direct line we are looking for. Harrison cites Strings while talking about diet culture. Some people might ask, is Harrison a reliable source? I think she is on this topic given her study at NYU and her professional work. I also looked into whether she was connected to the social media scandal talked about elsewhere in this discussion, and as it turns out, she's one of the few authors who hasn't taken money from the food industry. However, on her website, she admits to doing work and receiving minor compensation from a tea beverage company many decades ago, but this appears entirely unconnected to her work. The important point here is that Harrison is at least one subject matter expert who connects anti-black racism (like Elledge she cites Strings 2019) with the topic of diet culture. Your hook needs to do that. More importantly, when I read Harrison's take, I see a far more nuanced view. I will quote it here: "The nineteenth century also saw emerging theories about race and evolution that categorized people into a racial hierarchy based on which groups were supposedly more "civilized" or "evolved." The scientists doing the categorizing were predominantly white men of Northern European descent (including, most famously, British naturalist Charles Darwin beginning in the 1830s), and guess which group they claimed was at the top of the hierarchy? As important as evolutionary theory was when it came to explaining how we all came to be on this planet, it was also used in overtly racist ways, to justify the white Anglo-European male domination of other cultures and genders that had been going on for centuries. Evolutionary theory became a "scientific" way of upholding the status quo. White, Northern European women were deemed to be a step down from men on the evolutionary ladder, followed by Southern Europeans (again with the women a step down from the men), then people of color from countries that early biologists and anthropologists considered "semi-civilized" or "barbaric," and finally, at the bottom, Native Americans and Africans, whom they considered "savages." As part of their process of creating this bogus evolutionary hierarchy, nineteenth-century scientists started cataloguing the physical traits and cultural norms they saw in different societies. They decided that fatness was a marker of "savagery" because it appeared more frequently in the people of color they observed, whereas thinness supposedly appeared more frequently in white people, men, and aristocrats. In particular, fatness was said to be linked to blackness—an idea that started to take hold of the popular imagination in both Europe and the U.S. in the nineteenth century. Scientific writings from this period obsessively catalogued and measured the fatness of people from supposedly "primitive" societies, and of women in general. Women of all ethnicities were believed to be at greater "risk" of fatness, which was taken as further evidence of their supposed evolutionary inferiority. Thus, belief in a hierarchy of ethnic groups, with white men at the top, led to a growing demonization of fatness starting in the mid-1800s. These racist beliefs influenced our gender norms as well, including the definitions of what it means to "look male," "look female," and "look androgynous." Because thinness was deemed "more evolved" (given its supposed association with masculinity and whiteness), men with lots of fat on their bodies began to be seen as both less masculine and less morally upstanding. And whereas fatness or curviness was seemingly associated with femininity, the idea that larger bodies were inferior eventually translated to the idea that even women shouldn't be "too" fat or curvy. As sociologist Sabrina Strings explains in her 2019 book, Fearing the Black Body, this prohibition on fatness was especially strong for white, middle-class Protestant women, who were instructed on "temperance" by dietary reformers such as Sylvester Graham, and told that "excessive" eating was both immoral and detrimental to their beauty, as it would lead to having a body more like those of African or Irish women." Viriditas (talk) 19:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: @FortunateSons: Aside from the length of the hook, I am seeing other issues, mostly minor grammar and style, although I do have some question about the overall presentation such as your use of the Scientific American SA article to discuss the antecedents of diet culture, a comparison that isn't explicitly stated. Keep in mind, "diet culture" as a term began in 2010. I note that the SA article cites two articles, one in Psychological Science (2015) and an op-ed in BMC Medicine (2018), while also noting there are others. As your other sources make clear, we are talking about two main issues in regards to "diet culture": the promotion of restrictive diets and the stigmatization of the obese. The SA article addresses the latter, but doesn't directly connect it to our topic. However, I think it is safe to say that others might, and I'm currently trying to help find them. We need to be really careful with original research and to only go as far as the sources do. Viriditas (talk) 20:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Part of the problem is that you have competing narratives that are rooted in different disciplines. For example, you have the narrative of the health sciences, which has elements of the history of medicine. This is overlayed with the narratives of the fat acceptance movement, which has its own perspectives and opinions, and the narrative of feminists and black history. As long as this is all based on the 2010 understanding of "diet culture", everything is fine, but this isn't immediately clear. I notice the scholarly literature isn't being used as much as it could be here. One way to address this problem directly is to fold all the subtopics into coherent narratives related to the main characteristics of diet culture. As I wrote above, one of your sources discusses the two major ones, the promotion of restrictive diets and the stigmatization of the obese. I think it's easier to follow all the subtopics when they are written about in that context, and if possible, to expand the other characteristics. This also has great benefits for the reader as it formalizes and organizes the topic. In such an outline, racism would be discussed in a section about stigmatization, etc. Viriditas (talk) 21:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment:An alternative way of looking at this is to review the article on carnism and take a look at the page organization and structure. Viriditas (talk) 21:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Current hook and source are not explicitly about "diet culture". There are, however, related aspects about diet culture and racism in other sources that may be used instead. Additional problems discussed above. Jovanovski & Jaeger 2022 discuss the complexity of the topic and the interweaving narratives in their paper, a perspective that isn't reflected in the article (for example, neither the lead nor the body make it clear that this topic is part of the anti-diet movement composed of a coalition of feminists, fat activists and health professionals, etc.) Additional work is needed to frame this subject accurately within the strict narrative of sources about "diet culture". Another issue is the current controversy around the subject. As you may know, The Washington Post attacked many of the people associated with the movement as a front for "Big Food", although there are questions as to whether this criticism is legitimate.[17][18][19] NPR covered this in April.[20] One of the takeaways here is that the term "diet culture" is part of the anti-diet movement and this isn't clear in the article. There is also a strong relationship with fatphobia, and it may be instructive to review the article on the social stigma of obesity. Given that race and fat acceptance is already covered in that article, I'm wondering if we really need two articles on this subject. I think we could conceivably keep this treatment separate using several different approaches. For example, registered dietitian and nutritionist Christy Harrison (who studied public-health nutrition at NYU) gives the subject an extensive treatment in her book Anti-Diet (2019). There, she defines the subject as "a system of beliefs that equates thinness, muscularity, and particular body shapes with health and moral virtue; promotes weight loss and body reshaping as a means of attaining higher status; demonizes certain foods and food groups while elevating others; and oppresses people who don't match its supposed picture of 'health.'" I think if we stick closely to the sources about diet culture we should be able to salvage this article. Note: Current version is greatly improved and I'm looking forward to signing off on new hooks. Viriditas (talk) 21:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Alt Hook: * ... that both scholars and activists believe that diet culture is often intertwined with racism and other forms of prejudice?
- Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277539521001217 “For women of colour, diet culture was said to be reinforced through intersecting systems of patriarchy and racism, and further fuelled by capitalist systems that marketed the thin, white female body as a universal ideal.“ (p.7); “A focus on patriarchy, racism, and capitalism is often prevalent in the work of feminist and fat activists“; “We found that diet culture is characterised by a conflation of weight and health including myths about food and eating, and a moral hierarchy of bodies derived from patriarchal, racist, and capitalist forms of domination.” (p.9);
FortunateSons (talk) 00:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277539521001217 “Some feminist writers have explicitly used the term ‘diet culture’ in their analyses, especially feminist researchers focusing on weight (e.g., Jovanovski, 2017; Gagliardi, 2018; Kinavey & Cool, 2019b; Murray, 2020b). For example, Jovanovski (2017) describes ‘diet culture’ as a gendered form of surveillance, instantiated and reproduced by patriarchy to divorce women from their bodies and their appetites. Others, such as Gagliardi (2018), briefly reference the term ‘diet culture’ in relation to the marketing of weight-loss dieting products using the language of the Women's Liberation Movement and, specifically, the notion of female solidarity. Merson's (2021) paper also uses the term ‘diet culture’ to advance an intersectional perspective on weight and food restriction, citing the combined influences of patriarchy and anti-blackness in stigmatising larger-bodied women of colour. In these sources and others like them (e.g., O'Shea, 2020), diet culture is generally referenced to signify a harmful veneration for thin, or related, appearance ideals that results in women's subjugation.” (p. 2)
FortunateSons (talk) 00:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Typhoon Virginia (1957)
- ... that along with fatalities and damages, 1957's Typhoon Virginia also damaged 14 ships?
- Source: SRC
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
13:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC).
- Frankly, not a very interesting or unusual hook. It is not uncommon for tropical cyclones to damage ships, even with such numbers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:55, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Most storms are just like all other storms, so (while I get that they're a popular topic with a devoted following) there's usually not much to say that will be
perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest
. This one reached category 5 and made landfall so I would assume something unsual happened. If not, then maybe it's just not a good fit for DYK. RoySmith (talk) 22:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 24
[edit]Statue of John Stockton
- ... that the sculptor re-positioned the statue of John Stockton about 20 times by using a wrench to adjust ball-and-socket joints on steel rods?
- Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that the statue of John Stockton was adorned with a mask during the COVID-19 pandemic? Source: [2][3]
- Reviewed: 0
Left guide (talk) 13:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
References
- ^ Robinson, Doug (June 14, 2004). "Sculpting Stockton no way a slam-dunk". Deseret News. Retrieved August 24, 2024.
- ^ Kalbrosky, Bryan (January 25, 2022). "Somebody put a mask on a John Stockton statue because he refuses to do it himself". USA Today. Retrieved August 24, 2024.
- ^ McCarriston, Shanna (January 25, 2022). "Fan puts face mask on John Stockton statue outside of Jazz's Vivint Arena". CBS Sports. Retrieved August 24, 2024.
Albert Bumgardner
- ... that the Pacific Architect & Builder boosted Albert Bumgardner's career after he designed the magazine's office building?
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:27, 24 August 2024 (UTC).
- Reviewing... Flibirigit (talk) 21:20, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Article was created on August 22, and nominated two days later. Length and sourcing are adequate. The article appears neutral in tone, and no plagiarism concerns were found. No images are used in the article. The QPQ requirement is complete. The proposed hook is interesting, but I am unsure on its sourcing. As per WP:DYKCRIT there must be a citation directly following the sentence(s) which support the hook. Also, the article does not use the word "boosted", but the hook does. More similar wording would be helpful to verify. Overall, the article is well written and a welcome contribution to Wikipedia. Flibirigit (talk) 21:43, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Slave-owning slaves
- ... that in some human societies there were slaves who owned slaves (example pictured)?
- Source: Gamauf (2023),"Peculium: Paradoxes of Slaves With Property". In Schermaier, Martin (ed.). The Position of Roman Slaves: Social Realities and Legal Differences. Berlin and Boston: De Gruyter. pp. 87–124. doi:10.1515/9783110987195.
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Ttocserp 15:37, 24 August 2024 (UTC).
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- Neutral: - I'd like to see the talk page complaint resolved
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Overall: Interesting article. Please consider WP:GAN! (t · c) buidhe 00:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Ttocserp: Please address the above concerns. Z1720 (talk) 23:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, my laptop was off being repaired. I would gladly adress the concerns, but someone has put on a template saying it reads like a personal essay. (Why is not explained; I got everything from the sources.). What should I do?Ttocserp 21:55, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- If Callixtus I was a slave owned by a slave owned by a slave, he wouldn't be an example of a slave who owned a slave, would he? Or at least not necessarily. Bremps... 06:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- Callixtus is an instance of a sub-sub-slave not a slaveowner himself. But it is true the caption needs to be amended.Ttocserp 09:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Typhoon Nat (1991)
- ... that 1991's Typhoon Nat was described as having a "most unusual" track (pictured)?
- Source: Hong Kong Government
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
12:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: The above issues need to be addressed. Also, the article calls the track "erratic," which makes more sense than "erroneous," which is the word the hook uses. Ergo Sum 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @TheNuggeteer: Please address the above concerns. Z1720 (talk) 23:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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- @TheNuggeteer: Thanks for adding the inline citation. However, since that is a 96 page PDF, there should be citations to specific pages at each inline use, for example, using {{Sfn}}. I did a quick control-F search in that PDF and "erratic" does not come up, so citation to a specific page is necessary. Ergo Sum 01:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Used {{rp}} instead.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
02:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC) - @Ergo Sum: Hello?
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
11:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Page citation is good. However, unless I am still missing it on page 44, I do not see the words "random" or "erratic" as descriptions of the typhoon's movement. I see "most unusual," which is not the same thing as either of those words. Ergo Sum 13:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Used {{rp}} instead.
- Changed the hook to fit the words.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
13:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- The parts of the article that support the hook still say "erratic" and "random." Once those are corrected, the hook will be ready to go. Ergo Sum 13:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 25
[edit]Happy of the End
- ... that Ogeretsu Tanaka wanted to draw a manga series featuring scenery in Shinjuku, which led to the creation of Happy of the End?
- ALT1: ... that Ogeretsu Tanaka was inspired to create the manga series Happy of the End after taking a morning walk in Shinjuku? Source: https://www.chil-chil.net/compNewsDetail/k/801authors108/no/26553/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Statue of Dirk Nowitzki
lullabying (talk) 03:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
2024 Ohio Issue 1
- ... that the Republican-led Ohio Ballot Board was sued because its official summary for Ohio Issue 1, designed to improve redistricting, stated instead that the initiative would require gerrymandering?
- Source: the Board's summary "describes the amendment, which is specifically intended to prevent partisan gerrymandering, as specifically requiring it."
- ALT1: ... that advocates for Ohio Issue 1, an initiative to stop partisan gerrymandering, sued the Republican-led Ballot Board for a summary that claimed the 2024 initiative would require gerrymandering? Source: see above. On the parties to the lawsuit itself, see: https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/ohio-group-garners-over-700000-signatures-for-ballot-initiative-to-end-gerrymandering/
- ALT2: ... that Ohio Issue 1 was created to end partisan gerrymandering after 5 redistricting maps by the Republican-led legislature were rejected by the Ohio Supreme Court -- and flawed maps were used in 2022? Source: "Courts rejected two congressional maps and five sets of Statehouse maps as gerrymandered. Amid the court disputes, Ohio’s elections were allowed to proceed last year under the flawed maps." https://apnews.com/article/ohio-redistricting-constitutional-amendment-attorney-general-e3e8759ceeabc9538dd4bd49b6c84b52
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- Comment: I hope the hooks and article are carefully NPOV. Reliable sources usually mention that the legislature and ballot board are Republican-led, since gerrymandering is about partisanship. Fwiw, Issue 1 proponents are described in the press as bipartisan.
ProfGray (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 26
[edit]YSL Records racketeering trial
- ... that the YSL Records racketeering trial, involving rapper Young Thug, became the longest criminal trial in Georgia's state history?
- ALT1: ... that Young Thug's lawyer claimed during the YSL Records racketeering trial that the "Thug" in his client's name stands for "Truly Humbled Under God"? Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/young-thugs-name-stands-truly-humble-under-god-defense-lawyer-2023-11
- ALT2: ... that song lyrics from Young Thug and other YSL defendants were allowed as evidence in the YSL Records racketeering trial? Source: https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-rules-rap-lyrics-conditionally-evidence-young-thug/story?id=104760646
- ALT3: ... that during the YSL Records racketeering trial, defense attorney Brian Steel was jailed after refusing to reveal the source of information about an alleged secret meeting between the judge and the prosecution? Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/2024/06/12/young-thug-ysl-rico-trial-explained/
- ALT4: ... that during the YSL Records racketeering trial, a drug exchange took place in the courtroom between Young Thug and a co-defendant, leading to new charges? Source: https://www.nbcmiami.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/young-thug-and-kahlieff-adams-made-hand-to-hand-drug-exchange-in-court-prosecutors-say/2955162/
- Reviewed: Thomas Bertrand-Hudon
C F A 💬 02:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC).
- @CFA and 64.189.246.115: Great hooks. I think I prefer ALT0 the most followed by ALT1. The nomination was made in time and the hooks all seem to be verified from the sources. The article meets the size requirements and uses in-line citations where necessary. There is a potential copyvio from a Billboard source so you should paraphrase its usage a bit.--NØ 11:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Earwig only scores 40% because of WP:LIMITED terms like "Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations" and "Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis" and quotes. There's not really anything to change. C F A 💬 14:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda
- ... that in 2007–2008, Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda tried to close the Istorrent file sharing website, but failed? Source: Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda sem fóru fram á lögbannið á vefnum (Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda requested the ban on the website); Félag Hljómplötuframleiðenda sem höfða málið (Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda is suing the case); "Torrent.is Wins Case. To Re-open May 16th". Archived from the original on 2018-02-28.
The Supreme Court... dismissed the case over legal formalities.
- ALT1: ... that in 2007–2008, Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda tried to close the Istorrent file sharing website, but the Supreme Court of Iceland dismissed the case? Source: Same as above
- ALT2: ... that only about ten titles have been awarded multi-platinum status by Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda in Iceland? Source: Aðeins um tíu titlar hafa náð slíkri sölu. (Only about ten titles have achieved such sales)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/UnMetal
Muhandes (talk) 11:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
Michael P. Walsh (Jesuit)
- ... that Michael P. Walsh oversaw the construction of 15 buildings as president of Boston College?
- Source: Clark, Alfred E. (April 24, 1982). "Rev. Michael Walsh, Headed Fordham During Fiscal Crisis". The New York Times. p. 11. Archived from the original on November 19, 2022. Retrieved August 28, 2023.: "During his years at Boston College, he saw its enrollment greatly expand, supervised the construction of 15 new buildings..."
Ergo Sum 04:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
- I'll review this. Thriley (talk) 05:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 27
[edit]You Liked This (Okay, Computer!)
- ... that the former text-to-speech voice actor of TikTok narrated with predatory corporate language and buzzwords in Will Wood's "You Liked This (Okay, Computer!)"?
- ALT1: ... that the music video for "You Liked This (Okay, Computer!)" ends with an anthropomorphic lizard on the Moon alongside the phrase "Wake Up Sheeple!" on a billboard? Source: https://cloutcloutclout.com/features/unwrapped/will-wood-you-liked-this/
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Koopastar (talk) 05:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: Hi, Koopastar. I'm interested in reviewing this article. Please make sure the hooks are linked in the body of the article. I don't see ALT1 fully linked in the article. I see portions of it unsourced in the lead instead. How do you feel about removing all the other links from ALT1 so that only You Liked This (Okay, Computer!) is linked? This could help increase traffic to your nomination and prevent people from clicking on the other links instead. Viriditas (talk) 00:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Ivanvector: Following your suggestion of removing the links, I propose the following hook:
- ALT1a: ... that the music video for "You Liked This (Okay, Computer!)" ends with an anthropomorphic lizard on the Moon alongside the phrase "Wake Up Sheeple!" on a billboard?
- Also, the hook isn't from the lead but rather is sourced in the music video section, from "anthropomorphic lizard" to the end of the first paragraph, followed by the article additionally supplemented for this DYK nomination. If this is incorrect in a way that I don't realize though, apologies. Koopastar (talk) 01:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Ivanvector: Following your suggestion of removing the links, I propose the following hook:
Aviation Accidents in Japan Involving U.S. Military and Government Aircraft Post-World War II
- ... that a secret CIA U-2 spy plane crash-landed in Japan in 1959, sparking a Cold War mystery and cover-up, later shot down by the Soviet Air Defence Forces?
- Source: https://books.google.fr/books?id=uOcrDF0y-CAC&pg=PR7&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=2#v=snippet&q=Fujisawa&f=false (Click on "page 151")
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Global Donald (talk) 02:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 28
[edit]Eddie Canales
- ... that efforts by Eddie Canales and other activists led to the discovery that some bodies of undocumented immigrants in Texas had been buried in shopping bags?
- Source: Eddie Canales, who campaigned to prevent migrant deaths, dies at 76, Washington Post: "For years, when unidentified bodies were recovered in the county, they were buried, at times in unmarked graves. Mr. Canales and other activists helped push for the enforcement of a Texas law mandating that unidentified remains undergo DNA testing, and championed the exhumation of unidentified bodies from the county cemetery... The effort led to a horrifying revelation when researchers exhuming a mass burial site at the cemetery found remains “in trash bags, shopping bags, body bags, or no containers at all,”"
- ALT1: ... that Eddie Canales set up nearly 200 water stations along an area of the US-Mexico border to save the lives of undocumented immigrants? Source: Eddie Canales, who set up nearly 200 water stations along U.S.-Mexico border, dead at 76, CBC: "He spent much of the last decade of his life travelling along the U.S. southern border to place and refill large barrels of water for those making the dangerous — and often deadly — journey across the arid desert to the U.S... The South Texas Human Rights Center estimates he placed nearly 200 of these water stations across seven counties..."
- Reviewed:
Mrfoogles (talk) 22:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC).
- Note from author: Would appreciate some guidance on how many wikilinks should be added, it seems like DYKs have more of those but I'm not sure exactly how much more. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Eniaios
- ... that the ongoing premiere of Gregory Markopoulos's Eniaios started 20 years ago?
- Source: "Since 2004, the work has been revealed two or three cycles at a time, at intervals of four years" [21]
hinnk (talk) 22:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
- Length, date, qpq ok. Close paraphrase not found in spot check. But the hook fact need to be directly referenced in the article. --Soman (talk) 21:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- It is, in this statement cited to the Artforum article: "Since then [2004], screenings have been planned at Rayi Spartias on a quadrennial basis, with the 2020 screening delayed to 2022 because of the COVID-19 pandemic." hinnk (talk) 23:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Understood, but this reference needs to be placed directly after one or more sentences in the article mentioning the quadriannual premiere concept. --Soman (talk) 09:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the reference from the nomination is placed directly after that sentence in the article. hinnk (talk) 10:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- The sentences mentioning 'premiere' and '2004' do not have a reference directly afterwards. --Soman (talk) 21:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, got it, you were talking about the previous section. I've copied the citation for those three sentences so it also appears right after the premiere date. (Since the lead is summarizing the body, I left it alone consistent with WP:DYKHFC/MOS:LEADCITE). hinnk (talk) 10:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- The sentences mentioning 'premiere' and '2004' do not have a reference directly afterwards. --Soman (talk) 21:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the reference from the nomination is placed directly after that sentence in the article. hinnk (talk) 10:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Understood, but this reference needs to be placed directly after one or more sentences in the article mentioning the quadriannual premiere concept. --Soman (talk) 09:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- It is, in this statement cited to the Artforum article: "Since then [2004], screenings have been planned at Rayi Spartias on a quadrennial basis, with the 2020 screening delayed to 2022 because of the COVID-19 pandemic." hinnk (talk) 23:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
El Eternauta: tercera parte
- ... that El Eternauta: tercera parte kept its creator Héctor Germán Oesterheld as a viewpoint character, even though he was dead?
- Source: Daniel Riera (April 27, 2022). "El Eternauta: la inmortal historieta de Héctor Oesterheld, el guionista desaparecido" [The Eternaut: the immortal comic of Héctor Oesterheld, the disappeared writer] (in Spanish). Big Bang News. Retrieved August 29, 2024.
Cambalachero (talk) 18:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC).
Looking over this now. Will return with a review shortly... —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Other problems: - See below.
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Article is new and long enough. No problems with Earwig. A few small issues, however. Some of the material in the article lack citations. For example, the lead contains two statements that are missing citations to confirm (they're not confirmed anywhere in the article body). The entire "Plot" section is unsourced. The proposed hook itself is interesting, but needs to be rewritten. It states that Héctor Germán Oesterheld himself was a character in his own comic, who was retained after he died. In fact, the cited source states that the character of Germán was "Oesterheld's character" ("el personaje de Oesterheld"), but does not explicitly state that it is him. (Native Spanish speaker here, by the way.) The source makes clear that the character is certainly based on him; the hook needs to be reworded accordingly. Another detail that needs to be ironed out is that the hook unequivocally states that Oesterheld is dead. However, all sources I've read state that he is presumed dead. Even if his death is certain, I'm not sure that it could've been declared official at the time this third part of the comic was published in 1981, while the Dirty War was still ongoing. Otherwise, this is a very interesting article about a subject I previously had zero knowledge of! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have rewritten the lead. Plot sections of articles about works of fiction do not require citations; it is accepted that the book itself is the source. That Oesterheld included himself as a character within the first two stories he wrote does not need to be referenced either, for similar reasons (he's not even the first author who uses that trick, see here). The hook, however, focuses on the real-life stuff about the character. As for his death, it is correct that his death had never been officially confirmed by the military, but his kidnapping was denounced by the family and other organizations shortly after April 1977, and informed by Cadena Informativa on September 1977. It's all in reference 1. A bit off-topic for this article (better suited for HGO's biography, or the second part), but clearly not a situation that Ediciones Record didn't know. They may be in the dark about the details, but not about their star writer being missing and reported kidnapped by the military. Cambalachero (talk) 01:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- @CurryTime7-24: Does the above address your concerns? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 14:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
*Just a moment, please. Looking over the changes now... —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)- Thanks for everybody's patience. The lead has been improved. No problems with the plot! The ALT still needs to be tweaked. Again, he was, in all likelihood, dead by the time the comic was published. However, he seems never to have been officially declared dead, only presumed dead. It seems like splitting hairs, but it's the kind of thing other editors may potentially bring up once the hook goes live. So best to address it now by modifying the ALT with the qualifier "probably". —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 29
[edit]BenSw
- ... that BenSw is the face behind the NotLikeThis meme?
- ALT1: ... that BenSw, the younger brother of the late Aaron Swartz, led a team archiving the USENET posts in Google Groups to the Internet Archive as a tribute to Aaron? Source: https://bensw.com/blog/Aaron-5-Years-Later/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Adam Berdichevsky
paul2520 💬 14:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC).
- @Fluddsskark: Please provide a QPQ. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: What is that? Fluddsskark (talk · contributions) 11:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I provided one as part of the nomination. See Reviewed above! = paul2520 💬 12:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Norma Bahia Pontes
- ... that Norma Bahia Pontes was once said to be "the only Brazilian filmmaker who has worked professionally with half-inch videotape"? Source: Norma é a única cineasta brasileira que trabalhou profissionalmente com o videotape de meia polegada./Norma is the only Brazilian filmmaker who worked professionally with half-inch videotape.
- ALT1: ... that filmmaker Norma Bahia Pontes had to work as an advertising executive with the escalation of the military dictatorship in Brazil? Source: A partir de 1970, Norma trabalhou como diretora de publicidade ... Com recrudescimento da repressão ... Considerando o vínculo de Norma ao PCdoB, a esta altura na ilegalidade, Norma e Rita optaram pelo auto exílio em Nova Iorque/From 1970 onwards, Norma worked as an advertising director ... With the intensification of repression ... Considering Norma's ties to the PCdoB, which was now illegal, Norma and Rita opted for self-exile in New York (p. 31-32)
- ALT2: ... that some of the work of lesbian feminist filmmaking pioneer Norma Bahia Pontes is lost media? Source: Norma Bahia Pontes ... was a pioneer in lesbian feminist video production in the United States during the 1970s. (p. 21) + Just another crime, next door this (s/d) time ... Sua cópia até agora não pôde ser localizada assim como a cópia de The Kid at Times Square and the Bird on Broadway (s/d) / Just another crime, next door this (undated) time ... A copy of it has not yet been located, as has that of The Kid at Times Square and the Bird on Broadway (undated). (p. 35) + Rita admite ter destruído a cópia do vídeo por achar que havia falas demais. Nos trechos que restaram ... o único o vídeo que realizou na década foi A Cor da Terra (1988, 35') com Ana Porto, cuja cópia não foi possível localizar. / Rita admits to having destroyed [her copy of the video because she thought there were too many lines. In the remaining excerpts ... the only video she made in the decade was A Cor da Terra (1988, 35') with Ana Porto, a copy of which could not be located. (p. 42)]
- ALT3: ... that during her last years, lesbian feminist filmmaking pioneer Norma Bahia Pontes was committed to psychiatric hospitals by her homophobic sister? Source: Com a deterioração de sua saúde, passou a viver com a irmã que condenava seu o estilo de vida livre e sua lesbianidade, e que a internou em clínicas psiquiátricas até sua morte em 2010/As her health deteriorated, she began to live with her sister, who condemned her free lifestyle and her lesbianism, and who admitted her to psychiatric clinics until her death in 2010. (p. 42)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/ComicBook.com
ミラP@Miraclepine 03:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC).
List of oral repositories
- ... that oral repositories are individuals trusted with memorising a society's oral traditions, and have been termed "walking libraries"?
- Reviewed:
Kowal2701 (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
- ALT1 that in indigenous societies people serve as oral repositories of knowledge, values, and morals, and have been termed "walking libraries"? [24]
- ALT2 that in oral cultures people serve as repositories of knowledge, values, and morals, and have been termed "walking libraries"?
- Draft published on 30 August, so this was nominated within required time. Hooks are fine (I think ALT0 is the best). But the problem is that much of the article is unreferenced. While only one sentence of prose needs a citation, half if not more entries in the tables do not have citations. I am also confused why for some rows, the citations are in different columns. Ex. Most entries in 'term' have references, but occasionally entries in others have referneces too. This is messy, and I'd suggest adding a new column 'sources' or such and moving references there, IF they are supporting all claims in the row. But there are cleary some rows with no citations (ex. Sangoma). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, good idea, I’ll create a new column. I thought you wouldn’t need a citation for articles on Wikipedia since that makes them non-contestable, but that is just WP:Circular.
Shinichi Ishizuka
- ... that manga artist Shinichi Ishizuka was told that becoming a manga artist would be "absolutely impossible"? Source: https://tokion.jp/2021/02/26/shinichi-ishizuka-creative-expression/
- Reviewed: Cosmetic Playlover
Created by Link20XX (talk). Self-nominated at 00:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
Manhood: The Masculine Virtues America Needs
- ... that Josh Hawley's book Manhood was his second published by Regnery, after being dropped by Simon & Schuster for his support of the January 6 United States Capitol attack?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Noting that with Missouri's polls opening October 23 and in accordance with WP:DYKELECT: if approved, this will have to appear no later than September 23 or be held until after the 2024 United States Senate election in Missouri, to November 6. Thanks, Bobby Cohn (talk) 00:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Bobby Cohn (talk) 00:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 30
[edit]Mitch Torres
- ... that writer, director, and first Indigenous Australian on-air presenter for SBS Television Mitch Torres is a "self-proclaimed damper destroyer"?
- Source: "Mitch Torres was SBS’s first Indigenous presenter (1988) and went on to do her journalism cadetship with ABC TV news, later becoming the first presenter and field journalist for GWN’s long-running magazine program Millbindi." "AFTRS Honorary Degrees For Lynette Wallworth, Cherie Romaro and Mitch Torres". Australian Film Television and Radio School. 21 May 2021. Retrieved 30 August 2024.
- ALT1: ... that in the mockumentary BabaKiueria, Mitch Torres played the role of a reporter following the lives of a "‘typical’ white family", described a football match as "ritualised violence" and betting at the TAB as a religion? Source: "Presenter Duranga Manika (Michelle Torres) describes her fascination with white people and their customs and explains how she spent six months living with a ‘typical white family’" "Elsewhere Manika describes the football match as ritualised violence and betting at the TAB as a religion" Matthews, Kate. "Babakiueria: 'This strange and fascinating people'". National Film and Sound Archive. Government of Australia. Retrieved 1 September 2024.
- Reviewed: Dorothy Stanley
- Comment: Per DYK guidelines, there is a two day eligibility window following a week after creation so it should fall within this window. Thank you for the reviewer for your time in advance! ALT1 is a bit lengthy, so I am open to any ways for it to be shortened while keeping the hook-iness.
Ornithoptera (talk) 20:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC).
Brenden Bates
- ... that Brenden Bates "loves moving people against their will"?
- Source: Kentucky.com
BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC).
- @BeanieFan11: Please provide a QPQ as soon as possible. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I will do it tomorrow. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- QPQ now provided, waiting for a review. JuniperChill (talk) 22:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I will do it tomorrow. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
İzlem Gürçağ Altuğra
- ... that İzlem Gürçağ Altuğra once opened the national women's chess championships as Northern Cyprus' Minister of Health? Source: Açılışını Sağlık Bakanı İzlem Gürçağ Altuğra’nın yaptığı ... Kadınlar Satranç Şampiyonası çekişmeli ve heyecanlı bir şekilde sona erdi./The Women's Chess Championship, which was opened by the Minister of Health İzlem Gürçağ Altuğra ... ended in a competitive and exciting manner.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Diplodus argenteus
- Comment: Northern Cypriot DYKs are very rare, and I haven't done one of these before. Hope I did this right.
ミラP@Miraclepine 15:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC).
Filomena Fortes
- ... that Filomena Fortes once said she was "a bit critical of top-level sports in Cape Verde" despite being president of both its National Olympic Committee and its handball governing body? Source: Fortes [became president of the Cape Verdean Handball Federation. In 2014, she became the first woman to become president of the Cape Verdean Olympic Committee.] + Sou um pouco crítica em relação ao desporto de alta competição em Cabo Verde, talvez por não ter estado sempre cá e ter tido outra vivência do que é o desporto de alta competição./I am a bit critical of top-level sports in Cape Verde, perhaps because I haven't been here all the time and have had a different experience of top-level sports.
- ALT1: ... that Filomena Fortes once said she was "a bit critical of top-level sports in Cape Verde" despite being president of its National Olympic Committee? Source: As above
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Don Goodwin
ミラP@Miraclepine 15:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC).
Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip
- ... that cultural heritage sites damaged during the Israeli invasion of Gaza include the Great Mosque of Gaza, an ancient port, a university library, and cemeteries?
- Source: The information in the hook is drawn from a few different sources:
- Gostoli, Ylenia; Abu Riash, Abdelhakim (2023-10-20). "'We were baptised here and we will die here': Gaza's oldest church bombed". Al Jazeera. Archived from the original on 2023-10-28. Retrieved 2024-04-01.
- "Images show major damage to Gaza's oldest mosque". BBC News. 2023-12-08. Archived from the original on 2024-06-21. Retrieved 2024-06-26.
- "How Israel has destroyed Gaza's schools and universities". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 2024-05-25.
- Diamond, Jeremy; Darwish, Muhammad; Salman, Abeer; Brown, Benjamin; Mezzofiore, Gianluca (2024-01-20). "At least 16 cemeteries in Gaza have been desecrated by Israeli forces, satellite imagery and videos reveal". CNN. Archived from the original on 2024-01-20. Retrieved 2024-04-04.
- Gostoli, Ylenia; Abu Riash, Abdelhakim (2023-10-20). "'We were baptised here and we will die here': Gaza's oldest church bombed". Al Jazeera. Archived from the original on 2023-10-28. Retrieved 2024-04-01.
- "Images show major damage to Gaza's oldest mosque". BBC News. 2023-12-08. Archived from the original on 2024-06-21. Retrieved 2024-06-26.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Victoria Siddall
- Comment: The choice of image may not work as well with Alt1.
Richard Nevell (talk) 21:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC).
MyRadar
- ... that the weather app MyRadar created a satellite constellation to help predict the forecast?
- ALT1: ... that the weather app MyRadar was created after the creator wondered if a meal he was eating outdoors would get rained out? Source: https://www.floridatrend.com/article/29787/an-orlando-app-developer-builds-on-his-50-million-downloaded-myradar
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Kailimai
Johnson524 14:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC).
AdventHealth Daytona Beach
- ... that AdventHealth Daytona Beach is the home of the 10th Timmy's Playroom?
- ALT1 : ...that AdventHealth Daytona Beach has won an "A" grade from The Leapfrog Group twenty-five consecutive times in a row?
- ALT2 : ...that AdventHealth Daytona Beach was originally from Ormond Beach?
- Reviewed:
Catfurball (talk) 21:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
- This is not intended to be a full review and I have no plans of giving this a full review, but a quick look at the article suggests that this is in need of a copyedit. In addition, the current hook probably does not meet WP:DYKINT as not being likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing. A new hook will be needed here, in any case. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Catfurball: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 14:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: and @Z1720: I have taken the copy edit issue to WP:COPYEDITORS. Catfurball (talk) 19:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Catfurball, please be aware that the Guild of Copy Editors is taking over three months to complete most requests, and DYK has a two-month limit for a nomination to be approved. Regrettably, unless the article is adequately copyedited in the next month or so (prior to the Guild getting to it), the nomination will not pass. You will also want to address the hook issue now rather than delaying. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Given that the nominator deleted their talk page messages regarding their nomination and has not responded to BM's comment, it appears they are no longer interested in pursuing this nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: @BlueMoonset: @Z1720: Do I have to reword my hooks? Catfurball (talk) 19:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Pings don't work if you add them after you sign. I can tell you that ALT0/1 is only interesting if you know what Timmy's Playroom/The Leapfrog Group are and being from a particular place isn't unusual or intriguing. (I should say that I haven't yet seen the article.)--Launchballer 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: AdventHealth Daytona Beach is the only hospital in Florida to win an A grade twenty-five consecutive times in row. And it is one of fifteen hospitals in the United States that have done this. Very rare for hospitals to win this many times in a row and most likely they will win another later this year. Catfurball (talk) 19:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- You have to either a) ping and sign in the same edit or b) ping in the edit summary, which is what I did. Again, for that hook to be considered unusual, you need to know what The Leapfrog Group is. Following that link shows me that there are probably about twelve different patient safety organisations in the US.--Launchballer 20:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: Please look at this story https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/healthcare/2023/05/03/halifax-health-adventhealth-hospitals-receive-leapfrog-safety-ratings/70179701007/ Catfurball (talk) 21:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Main page readers would not have access to that article before reading the hook.--Launchballer 21:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: It has been added behind the hook, so you get a two in one offer. Catfurball (talk) 22:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I will be frank: that hook fact sounds less like a hooky fact and more like an advertisement or otherwise being promotional. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
String Quartet No. 16 (Shostakovich)
- ... that had Dmitri Shostakovich composed his String Quartet No. 16, it would have completed a "mathematical version" of his DSCH monogram?
- Source: "The Thirteen-ness of the Thirteenth Quartet" by Iain Strachan in the DSCH Journal (July 2024): "Shostakovich had apparently intended to make a mathematical version of his DSCH signature in the key sequence of his quartets. Given that the musically logical sequence of keys indicated that if the composer had lived to complete a sixteenth quartet, it would have been in B major, this meant that the major key quartets of DSCH would all have been on the quartets whose numbers were perfect squares, namely 4, 9, 1, and 16".
- ALT1: ... that there is no String Quartet No. 16 by Dmitri Shostakovich? Source: "Shostakovich and the 'Sixteenth Quartet'" by Krzysztof Meyer and Henny van der Groep in the DSCH Journal (July 2014)
- ALT2: ... that Dmitri Shostakovich's String Quartet No. 16 has three movements, including a lyrical middle, ends with a double fugue, and does not exist? Source: Ibid; "Fifty Years Ago: April–September 1974" by Krzysztof Meyer (translated by Bryan Rowell) in DSCH Journal (July 2024)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/El Eternauta: tercera parte
- Comment:
QPQ coming soon.For what it's worth, my preference for these ALTs are in reverse order, with ALT2 being my most preferred. Also, is it possible to run this DYK on September 25, for the 118th anniversary of Shostakovich's birth?
CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
- The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. It is properly sourced; as all the sources are offline I am assuming good faith on verification here. ALT0 has a sourcing issue: the reference backing it up comes at the end of the relevant paragraph; according to WP:DYKG, the supporting footnote should be at the latest at the end of the sentence supporting the hook fact, which in this case is the DSCH signature aspect. ALT2 is a rather complicated hook so I'm rather disinclined to approve it. My preferred hook is actually ALT1; however, the article does not actually seem to back it up. The article is unclear if the String Quartet was even started, or if it was started but simply unfinished: if it was the former, then ALT1 is accurate. To be sure, I'm pinging Kingsif and RoySmith regarding ALT1 as both are knowledgeable about quirky hooks and their suitability. If ALT1 is unsuitable, only ALT0 will be approved.
- There is another major concern: the lack of a QPQ. Per a recent discussion, the guidelines have changed so a QPQ should now be provided at the time of the nomination, rather than up to a week afterwards. As such, please provide a QPQ as soon as possible, as the nomination may be failed without further warning if one is not given soon. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Kingsif and RoySmith: It appears that the above ping did not work for some reason. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly prefer ALT1; the others are just too complicated. Also see T371948. RoySmith (talk) 10:13, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- While I have some questions about the focus of the article and whether it should really be about Meyer's work and how it was inspired by an uncomposed Shostakovich, if the reviewer is happy with it as is, I have no problems with alt1. I would object to alt0 on being too difficult. Kingsif (talk) 11:41, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 could work, but it's cruising for a pruning, as in ALT2a: ... that Dmitri Shostakovich's String Quartet No. 16 does not exist?--Launchballer 15:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you all for bearing with me. QPQ is done. May I suggest the following amended ALT?
- ALT2b: ... that Dmitri Shostakovich's String Quartet No. 16 has three movements, but does not exist?
- @Narutolovehinata5: Meyer seems to imply in the transcript of his 1974 visit to Shostakovich and in his 2014 interview that the quartet was never even sketched. However, in the latter he also states ambiguously (emphasis mine): "[A]las, [Shostakovich] was not able to complete the project regarding the Sixteenth [Quartet]". Neither of the articles cited specifically details how much progress, if any, Shostakovich had made on this work at this point or ever. My copy of Meyer's monograph on the composer (in the Spanish translation) is also of no help; his mention of the work therein is even more fleeting. I've looked through the various books by Sofia Khentova, Shostakovich's official biographer, including her massive two-volume biography, which is far more exhausting in detail than any current English language books on the composer. It mentions various obscure odds-and-ends and aborted projects—but no String Quartet No. 16. Derek C. Hulme's Dmitri Shostakovich: The First Hundred Years and Beyond has an entire appendix devoted to such works. Again, no mention of this quartet. I've also not been able to find mention of it in the various Russian language sources in my personal library or in Levon Akopyan's editorial notes in the ongoing New Collected Works Edition of the quartets. For what it's worth, it's probably more likely that Shostakovich never went beyond working through the quartet in his mind. By 1974, his neuro-muscular disorder had made writing extremely difficult and exhausting for him. Consider that he had not even begun to work on the Fifteenth Quartet on April 11, 1974. (Meyer's visit and questioning may have been the catalyst to finally get work on that going: his first extant sketches are dated April 13.) The penmanship in the autograph copy of his last work, the Viola Sonata from July 1975, clearly evinces that it was a struggle just to get the notes to paper. (By this point, he could only write by having his left hand support his right.) Meyer is by far the most informative source on this cryptic work... but, unfortunately, he leaves a number of questions dangling. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5, Launchballer, Kingsif, and RoySmith: Pinging as a courtesy. Please let me know if any work remains to be done on this nom. I'll be happy to amend the ALTs further if needed. Would like this to get approved and be included on the DYK for September 25, the 118th anniversary of Shostakovich's birth. Thank you all. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- As much as I really like the "doesn't exist" angle, it seems that the sourcing and circumstances just aren't strong enough to justify it, so regrettably it may have to be dropped. Maybe Theleekycauldron has some more ideas on how to move forward. ALT0 is probably acceptable, but honestly not as good and I doubt it would get as much interest from readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Could ALT1 possibly work? The wording is also slightly more ambiguous than the other ALTs, which unequivocally state that the work does not exist at all. There really is no "String Quartet No. 16" insofar as a published piece of music is concerned, but the wording of ALT1 doesn't rule out the fact that unfinished sketches, etc. may exist. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 is actually the sticking point here. The accuracy of the hook depends on how one interprets "there is no String Quartet No. 16." If one means "it was never made", yes it's accurate. If one means "it never existed", then exactly what "exist" means is the issue. The finished product doesn't exist, but as you said there's ambiguity if sketches or work was made. If they did, it technically did exist, if in an unfinished/unreleased state. Even if not, one could argue that it did exist as a concept if not as a composition that was at least attempted, so the hook is too vague and ambiguous. Even if it were to be approved, I can see it going to WP:ERRORS and/or WT:DYK before being pulled. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Could ALT1 possibly work? The wording is also slightly more ambiguous than the other ALTs, which unequivocally state that the work does not exist at all. There really is no "String Quartet No. 16" insofar as a published piece of music is concerned, but the wording of ALT1 doesn't rule out the fact that unfinished sketches, etc. may exist. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- @CurryTime7-24: Pinging for a response to the above issue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Give me a few hours to finish some work, then I'll respond. Thanks for bearing with me! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Looking over ALT1 again, I'm thinking that perhaps this is simply a semantic debate. Because there really is no "String Quartet No. 16" insofar as there is no published score or any kind of tangible media directly related to it that is available. Even Meyer's derivative work is only based on his own conjectural idea of the work. That he, as a close friend and one of the great scholars of Shostakovich, did not utilize any of the composer's material is telling. It should be noted, too, that Henny van der Groep's title for his DSCH Journal interview places the projected work title within sneer quotes. Of course, I also have new ALTs for your consideration:
- ALT3: ... that you cannot listen to Dmitri Shostakovich's String Quartet No. 16? (Source: "Shostakovich and the 'Sixteenth Quartet'" by Krzysztof Meyer and Henny van der Groep in the DSCH Journal (July 2014))
- ALT4: ... that there is no String Quartet No. 16 by Dmitri Shostakovich to listen to? Ibid.
- ALT5: ... that there is no available score to Dmitri Shostakovich's String Quartet No. 16? Ibid.
- Otherwise, I think ALT0 would be best after all. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes the objection to ALT1 may seem like semantics, but semantics are actually taken seriously at DYK and can result in hooks getting pulled. Many of the issues raised at WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS are ultimately semantics, but given how much the project wants hooks to be accurate, semantics are important. Among the new suggestions provided, ALT3 is probably the best option and also accurate, but it needs to be reflected in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Give me a few hours to finish some work, then I'll respond. Thanks for bearing with me! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Is it possible to just use ALT0? While it is the blandest and my least favorite off all options, it appears to be the only one that isn't ensnared in potential semantical problems. As for ALT3, I'm not sure how to proceed without having to prove a negative. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm honestly not sure. I think it would be better to ask for a second opinion regarding ALT0's suitability. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Christian Albright, De'Montre Tuggle
- ... that professional football players Christian Albright and De'Montre Tuggle were both born on March 29, 1999, were both named second-team all-Mid-American Conference in 2020, were both waived by the Chicago Bears in August 2022, and both made their Canadian Football League debuts in 2023?
- ALT1: ... that Christian Albright and De'Montre Tuggle were both born on March 29, 1999, both named second-team all-MAC in 2020, both waived by the Chicago Bears in 2022, and both made their CFL debuts in 2023?
- Reviewed:
~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Note that this review is for both of the articles; Where's the hook source? Good enough. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
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- Sources added. The birthdates and CFL debut years are at the CFL profiles, and the other sources are self-explanatory. Thanks for the quick review. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @WikiOriginal-9 and TheNuggeteer: the hook is far too long per WP:DYK200; please suggest a shortened alternative. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 31
[edit]The Cock Destroyers
- ... that the first drag girl band to enter the UK top 40 took their name from a pair of porn stars (pictured separately) who went on to present Slag Wars: The Next Destroyer? Source: https://www.out.com/sex/2020/11/13/matthew-camp-cock-destroyers-host-slag-wars-tv-show#rebelltitem17 for Slag Wars in all hooks, https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/drag-pop-album-frock-destroyers-b1769880.html for everything else
- ALT1: ... that Matty Healy once described the Slag Wars: The Next Destroyer presenters The Cock Destroyers (pictured separately) as "terrifying"? Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwhy6Vyh1kM, at around 18:34 - we used to have an article about the episode
- ALT2: ... that the future Slag Wars: The Next Destroyer hosts The Cock Destroyers (pictured separately) once released a "gloriously queer" sex education video for Netflix? Source: https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/03/12/cock-destroyers-lgbt-inclusive-sex-educaiton-netflix-rebecca-more-sophie-anderson/
- ALT3: ... that the porn star duo The Cock Destroyers (pictured separately), who presented Slag Wars: The Next Destroyer in 2020, received coverage from the BBC after going viral? Source: https://theface.com/culture/cock-destroyer-how-rebecca-more-went-from-meme-to-the-uks-most-loved-adult-star
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sebastian Zouberbuhler (double nom)
- Comment: Slag Wars 5x expanded on 11 September from this edit. I had no idea More was bringing it back.
Launchballer 17:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
Anaïs Gallagher, Oasis Live '25 Tour, Filthy Lucre Tour
... that following the announcement that Liam Gallagher and Noel Gallagher were to reunite for Oasis Live '25 Tour, Noel's daughter Anaïs Gallagher criticised some fans for ageism and sexism? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/aug/30/noel-gallagher-daughter-anais-oasis-fans-ageism-misogyny- ALT1: ... that after Liam and Noel Gallagher's band Oasis announced for 2025 "the most controversial band reunion since the Sex Pistols' 1996 Filthy Lucre Tour", Noel's daughter Anaïs Gallagher criticised some fans for ageism and sexism?
- Reviewed:
Template:Did you know nominations/Sebastian Zouberbuhler (double nom)Abortion in Africa (triple nom, see below) - Comment: Many thanks to Aibo22 for creating an article about a topic I had previously written an article about, but which was deleted at AfD 9+ years ago. Oasis Live '25 Tour is a 5x expansion of an article created less than a week ago.
- Reviewed:
Launchballer 15:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
- @Launchballer: Since this is a double nomination, you will need to provide an additional QPQ. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have. That's a double nom.--Launchballer 05:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for not noticing! Just make it clear in the nomination so that a reviewer will be aware. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- A reviewer should check before ticking it off, but I've added a note anyway. As for adding an additional QPQ, there's probably just enough room for "that after Liam and Noel Gallagher's band Oasis announced for 2025 "the most controversial band reunion since the Sex Pistols' 1996 Filthy Lucre Tour", Noel's daughter Anaïs Gallagher criticised some fans for ageism and sexism?", so you might get lucky. I should probably write the third article first though.--Launchballer 08:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I have just published Filthy Lucre Tour and would like to nominate it using the QPQ Abortion in Senegal, which I reviewed as part of the triple nom Abortion in Africa. I was wondering if you objected to me swapping out the double I've provided for this with that triple?--Launchballer 02:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- As long as the Abortion in Africa QPQ is already a complete review and you plan on reusing the current QPQ in a future nomination, it shouldn't be an issue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:27, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've covered everything in that review, so I've adjusted this nomination. For what it's worth, I'm planning on swapping the double nom for the two singles at The Cock Destroyers and using those on future noms for Talk Talk (Charli XCX song) and Have I Got News For You (US).--Launchballer 02:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- As long as the Abortion in Africa QPQ is already a complete review and you plan on reusing the current QPQ in a future nomination, it shouldn't be an issue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:27, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I have just published Filthy Lucre Tour and would like to nominate it using the QPQ Abortion in Senegal, which I reviewed as part of the triple nom Abortion in Africa. I was wondering if you objected to me swapping out the double I've provided for this with that triple?--Launchballer 02:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- A reviewer should check before ticking it off, but I've added a note anyway. As for adding an additional QPQ, there's probably just enough room for "that after Liam and Noel Gallagher's band Oasis announced for 2025 "the most controversial band reunion since the Sex Pistols' 1996 Filthy Lucre Tour", Noel's daughter Anaïs Gallagher criticised some fans for ageism and sexism?", so you might get lucky. I should probably write the third article first though.--Launchballer 08:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for not noticing! Just make it clear in the nomination so that a reviewer will be aware. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have. That's a double nom.--Launchballer 05:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Since this is a double nomination, you will need to provide an additional QPQ. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 2
[edit]Saleh Shahin
- ... that Arab rower Saleh Shahin won a bronze medal for Israel at the 2024 Paris Paralympics, 19 years after he was injured in a terrorist attack?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Poecilia vandepolli
- Comment: Nominated on behalf of an IP editor who has also provided the QPQ.
Schwede66 23:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC).
JerAx
... that Jesse "JerAx" Vainikka was the first Dota 2 player to reach four consecutive Valve Major finals, achieving this milestone with Team Liquid and OG?Source: [25][26]- ALT1:
... that Jesse Vainikka, also known as JerAx, became the highest-earning individual player in esports in 2018 after winning two consecutive The International titles with OG in Dota 2?Source: [27] ALT2: ... that Jesse "JerAx" Vainikka auctioned his Team Liquid gaming chair for €5,300 to benefit the charity, Save the Children, surpassing auction prices of signed jerseys from Lionel Messi and Wayne Rooney?Source:[4]- Reviewed:
- ALT1:
Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 18:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC).
- Responding to this: Per MOS:SURNAME: "
After the initial mention, a person should generally be referred to by surname only
[...]When a majority of reliable secondary sources refer to persons by a pseudonym, they should be subsequently referred to by their pseudonymous surnames, unless they do not include a recognizable surname in the pseudonym (e.g. Sting, Snoop Dogg, the Edge), in which case the whole pseudonym is used. For people well known by one-word names, nicknames, or pseudonyms, but who often also use their legal names professionally – e.g., André Benjamin ("André 3000"), Jennifer Lopez ("J.Lo"); doctor/broadcaster Drew Pinsky ("Dr. Drew") – use the legal surname.
"
I checked the article's refs and they all seem to use the pseudonym, at least in their titles. But if we don't want to use the pseudonym, then the surname Vainikka should be used instead of the given name Jesse. (I left this comment here, because it affects this nomination's caption.) 2001:14BA:9C40:0:2898:CC7C:F3E7:9062 (talk) 19:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it affects the nomination's caption/hook, as I have used both his real name and his in-game name. Let the reviewer decide if the article/hook needs further clarity regarding the surname. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Partial review here: ALT2 seems the most interesting to me, seconded by ALT1; ALT0 is not as interesting without much esports context. Article is new enough, long enough, and written by the nominator. (Don't plan to review rest, just dropping in) Mrfoogles (talk) 06:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 is above the 200 character limit and needs to be trimmed. Maybe something like:
- ALT2a ... that a gaming chair used by Jesse "JerAx" Vainikka sold at an auction for €5,300, surpassing prices of signed jerseys from Lionel Messi and Wayne Rooney?
- Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- What about ALT2b: "... that a gaming chair used by Jesse "JerAx" Vainikka sold at a charitable auction for €5,300, surpassing prices of signed jerseys from Lionel Messi and Wayne Rooney?" Also fits within the character limit and mentions that its a charitable auction, which I think is also one of the interesting parts. Changes it from "someone really wanted this gaming chair" to "gaming chairs can be competitive in charitable auctions", kind of. Mrfoogles (talk) 18:06, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 is above the 200 character limit and needs to be trimmed. Maybe something like:
- Didn't notice the character limit on ALT2. ALT2a/ALT2b are both fine by me. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Rejected, unfortunately. The article references several pages from AFK Gaming, which has been designated as unreliable by WikiProject Video games, meaning this nomination does not meet WP:DYKCITE. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- User:TechnoSquirrel69, I have addressed your concerns regarding the sources. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for doing that, Jeraxmoira! Unfortunately, you added a reference to the Tech Times, designated as unreliable at this RSN discussion, which prevents me from approving again for the same reasons. However, since this issue seems a lot more manageable than the last one, I'll review the other criteria in anticipation of you addressing it. As an aside, I would recommend installing one or more citation highlighting scripts if you haven't already; they will help you catch reliability issues before they rear their heads.
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Overall: I've struck ALT0 as it is phrased awkwardly and contains too many technical or specialist terms to be interesting or accessible enough to a broad audience. ALT1 is frankly on thin ice as well, as mashing the thematically unrelated facts about the subject's earnings and competition wins is making the sentence confusing. We can workshop it further, or just strike it if you prefer ALT2a and ALT2b better. The picture will probably not be running with the hook, as it's already a bit unclear at Main Page sizes and nearly impossible to make out JerAx in particular. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I already use a citation highlighting script and it did/does not flag any sources in the article as unreliable, apart from the YouTube video. Based on your suggestion, I have removed Techtimes and AFK Gaming and FWIW, the facts in ALT1 are not unrelated, as most of the earnings came from Dota 2 Championships. Alt 2b seems fine to me, so I have struck the remaining. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Jeraxmoira: I've gone ahead and removed the image as well. However, some of the sources you've introduced to replace the old ones also seem to have issues. What makes Esports.gg, Win.gg, and TalkEsport reliable? Esports.gg's about page makes no mention of editorial oversight — the typical mark of reliability for web content from Wikipedia's perspective — nor Win.gg's or TalkEsport's. This leads me to believe these are self-published sources, which are unsuitable for use in articles. Another way to demostrate the reliability of these sources was if they were used or approved by other reliable sources, which I haven't found to be the case with some quick searching. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think you are applying the standards of mainstream journalism to the esports field, which I feel is unfair. AFAIK, these events are not covered by traditional mainstream media, so it's unreasonable to expect a byline or editorial oversight on all the sources used. The claims made here are not exceptional ones that would require following WP:ECREE. I have added multiple sources to back almost all the claims made in the article, including the hook and have removed most of the sources you mentioned. If you're still skeptical, I would request that you leave it to an editor/reviewer who is familiar with evaluating E-sports sources/sources that aren't from mainstream news media. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have no objections to a second opinion from another reviewer, but Wikipedia guidelines do not apply differently based on the topic area. I'm not saying that any of the information here is exceptional and requires featured article–quality sources; when it comes to web content of any kind, the absolute bare minimum for source reliability is an editorial review or attribution to a subject-matter expert such as a qualified academic (which likely wouldn't apply here). It's also important to remember that the biographies of living persons policy applies to the subject of this article, and self-published sources should never be used unless they were by the subject themselves. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- These are not self-published sources. This is how esports coverage looks. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 04:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have no objections to a second opinion from another reviewer, but Wikipedia guidelines do not apply differently based on the topic area. I'm not saying that any of the information here is exceptional and requires featured article–quality sources; when it comes to web content of any kind, the absolute bare minimum for source reliability is an editorial review or attribution to a subject-matter expert such as a qualified academic (which likely wouldn't apply here). It's also important to remember that the biographies of living persons policy applies to the subject of this article, and self-published sources should never be used unless they were by the subject themselves. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think you are applying the standards of mainstream journalism to the esports field, which I feel is unfair. AFAIK, these events are not covered by traditional mainstream media, so it's unreasonable to expect a byline or editorial oversight on all the sources used. The claims made here are not exceptional ones that would require following WP:ECREE. I have added multiple sources to back almost all the claims made in the article, including the hook and have removed most of the sources you mentioned. If you're still skeptical, I would request that you leave it to an editor/reviewer who is familiar with evaluating E-sports sources/sources that aren't from mainstream news media. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Jeraxmoira: I've gone ahead and removed the image as well. However, some of the sources you've introduced to replace the old ones also seem to have issues. What makes Esports.gg, Win.gg, and TalkEsport reliable? Esports.gg's about page makes no mention of editorial oversight — the typical mark of reliability for web content from Wikipedia's perspective — nor Win.gg's or TalkEsport's. This leads me to believe these are self-published sources, which are unsuitable for use in articles. Another way to demostrate the reliability of these sources was if they were used or approved by other reliable sources, which I haven't found to be the case with some quick searching. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- User:RoySmith, I have added two more sources to support the existing primary source.Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't fix the problem, which was
The source is a video that's over an hour long. This needs a specific time index
. You can't expect anybody to spend an hour and a half watching the entire video to find the statements that support the cited statement. RoySmith (talk) 12:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)- RoySmith, I failed to notice the reason you mentioned in the template. Instead I looked at the edit summary, which made me add more supporting references. It would have been helpful if you had also mentioned the time index issue in the DYK nom, rather than just linking to the diff. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 15:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't fix the problem, which was
- User:RoySmith, I have added two more sources to support the existing primary source.Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP:CLOP; see this earwig report. Note it's not just the stuff Earwig highlights in red; it's the whole paragraph with trivial word substitutions, which is the definition of close paraphrasing. Normally this wouldn't be enough to reject the nom outright, but given all the other problems that have been found by multiple reviewers, . RoySmith (talk) 12:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Completely rephrasing the paragraph would unnecessarily lengthen/ complicate it further. And the words on the this earwig report are team names which can only be rearranged. I believe the only issue was with sourcing, which has already been addressed. The other reviewers simply improved the Alt 2 hook and didn't identify any significant problems. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 15:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- I also don't think this paragraph is an issue -- there does seem to be a debate over whether a few eSports sources are reliable, but that doesn't mean other things start being more of a problem than they would be otherwise. The Wikipedia paragraph is written somewhat differently, even if it says the same thing as in the article. Mrfoogles (talk) 21:18, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Pan He
- ... that the Chinese sculptor Pan He used his Reunion to commemorate both the handover of Macau and his return to his beloved cousin?
- Source: Jiang, Xinchen (November 26, 2020). "潘鹤:渔女之父的珠海情缘" [Pan He: The Father of the Fisherwoman and His Love for Zhuhai]. Southcn.com (in Chinese). China South Publishing & MediaGroup. Archived from the original on September 1, 2024. Retrieved September 1, 2024.
- ALT1: ... that the Chinese sculptor Pan He created the Zhuhai Fisher Girl (pictured), an icon of Zhuhai? Source: Jiang, Xinchen (November 26, 2020). "潘鹤:渔女之父的珠海情缘" [Pan He: The Father of the Fisherwoman and His Love for Zhuhai]. Southcn.com (in Chinese). China South Publishing & MediaGroup. Archived from the original on September 1, 2024. Retrieved September 1, 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abduction of Jonila Castro and Jhed Tamano; Template:Did you know nominations/Teodoro Asedillo
- Comment: Personally I prefer ALT1, as Zhuhai Fisher Girl is new
but doesn't qualify as it wasn't 5x on the split.
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but the copied paragraph from Zhuhai was 1311 characters and Zhuhai Fisher Girl is now 5904, which is a 4.5x expansion. I'd IAR that. You'd need a second QPQ for it though.--Launchballer 00:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I'd love that. I can rework this tomorrow as a double nom. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies, I should have said "not a review (and I review oldest first so would not get to this any time soon)". (Not sure why I forgot, I say that literally every other time.)--Launchballer 01:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, no worries - I review the same way. I didn't even think of requesting IAR, which is what "I'd love that" refers to. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies, I should have said "not a review (and I review oldest first so would not get to this any time soon)". (Not sure why I forgot, I say that literally every other time.)--Launchballer 01:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Per above, requesting IAR for Zhuhai Fisher Girl. Also noting that the text on the original paragraph was trimmed by ~150 characters. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed for both articles.--Launchballer 01:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 3
[edit]Anna Haifisch
- ... that the comics character The Artist shares a common temperament with its creator, cartoonist Anna Haifisch (pictured)?
- ALT1: ... that the graphic style of Anna Haifisch (pictured) is a combination of dark melancholy and silly elements? Source: https://www.mkg-hamburg.de/en/exhibitions/anna-haifisch
- ALT2: ... that cartoonist Anna Haifisch (pictured) has been bending the rules of comics? Source: https://www.itsnicethat.com/articles/anna-haifisch-drifter-illustration-270617
- Reviewed: Moses Benjamin Wulff
- Comment: A biography of an unusual and successful woman cartoonist
Munfarid1 (talk) 20:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC).
- QPQ is required at the time of nomination. Schwede66 18:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
The Nualas
- ... that The Nualas were always Nuala, Nuala and Nuala? Source: https://sotcaa.org/comment/nualas.html
- ALT1: ... that Anne, Sue, Tara, Susanna, Karen, Maria, and Josephine have all been Nualas? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/image/904033742/ , https://www.chortle.co.uk/review/2014/08/22/29767/the_nualas:_hello_again,_were_the_nualas , https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=bwh&AN=200304081051704117&lang=en-gb&site=eds-live&scope=site
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tauba Tauba (song)
Bogger (talk) 14:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC).
- Not a full review, but I'd recommend brainstorming new hooks. The second hook seems to namedrop names likely to be unfamilar to the reader, and the first hook runs afoul of WP:DYKFICTION. Bremps... 01:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that The Nualas trio has changed faces over the years? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/image/904033742/ , https://www.chortle.co.uk/review/2014/08/22/29767/the_nualas:_hello_again,_were_the_nualas , https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=bwh&AN=200304081051704117&lang=en-gb&site=eds-live&scope=site
- ALT3: ... that The Nualas trio has had two constant members? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/image/904033742/ , https://www.chortle.co.uk/review/2014/08/22/29767/the_nualas:_hello_again,_were_the_nualas , https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=bwh&AN=200304081051704117&lang=en-gb&site=eds-live&scope=site -Bogger (talk) 13:59, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 4
[edit]Gigi Perez, Sailor Song (song)
- ... that following criticism from far-right conservative Christian communities over a lyric in "Sailor Song", Gigi Perez replied that her songwriting was "not a democracy"? Source: https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/who-is-gigi-perez-new-artist-blowing-up-with-viral-hit-sailor-song/
Launchballer 09:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC).
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- Interesting: - Not a super surprising thing for a songwriter to say
QPQ: - Not done
Overall: Recognize that QPQs are coming up, so this is a bit early; only issue is I feel like the hook could be a bit more interesting. Mrfoogles (talk) 17:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Proposing ALT1: "... that songwriter Gigi Perez first went viral for a song on TikTok, where she had begun to upload videos to cope with her grief?". Maybe Gigi Perez could use ALT1, and Sailor Song could use ALT0, if it is possible to add two DYKs with one nomination? Also, since I'm new, if anyone wanted to double-check my copyvio checking that would be appreciated (not that I think there is any). Mrfoogles (talk) 17:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. You can definitely split up a nomination post hoc - see Talk:Lucy Tun for one such example - however hook interestingness does not depend on topic, so if it isn't good enough for Gigi, it won't be good enough for Sailor Song. I've taken the liberty of renumbering your ALT0a to ALT1 as it introduces new information, and would suggest ALT1a: that the "Sailor Song" songstress Gigi Perez first began uploading content to TikTok to cope with grief? - but you will still need a new reviewer for that. I do however wonder if it's worth leaving 'not a democracy' out of ALT0 and running the rest, i.e. ALT0a: ... that the lyrics of Gigi Perez's "Sailor Song" received criticism from far-right conservative Christian communities?--Launchballer 22:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also, I have no idea what you mean by "QPQs are coming up" - I've done everything required by WP:DYKRI.--Launchballer 15:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Mrfoogles: Please address the above.--Launchballer 17:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Okay, you could have just asked: we're all volunteers here. I think that when I first reviewed you were only partway through the reviews, so I figured that it probably wasn't time yet. QPQs do look done now; going to leave this to another reviewer to pick the hook. Personally I think ALT0a sounds fine, but I like ALT1 a lot (the exact phrasing might not be perfectly, but I think it's interesting): maybe if it was split, ALT0a could be used without Gigi Perez bolded, and then ALT1 for the second DYK? Otherwise, if they are not split, ALT0a seems good. Mrfoogles (talk) 18:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 5
[edit]Come In (Weatherday album)
- ... that several characters from a webcomic Weatherday wrote appear in their album Come In?
- Source: [28] "The album as a whole is set up like my webcomic which I sort of based things from the album on along with my own life. The character Agatha is from that comic and same with Oswald and Ines."
- ALT1: ... that after the original run sold out, vinyl copies of Come In were put up for sale on Discogs for as much as $100? Source: [29] "Last year, U.S. indie label Topshelf, a crucial fourth-wave emo outlet, dropped a double-LP reissue of Come In, and the whole run of 2,000 sold out—if you want a pristine copy, be prepared to pony up $100 on Discogs."
- ALT2: ... that Come In was recorded on a hands-free microphone attached to a pair of headphones? Source: [30] "I used the headphone mic because I didn’t have a better one and thought I could do without one."Album liner notes (viewable on Bandcamp) "Honorable mention to the hands-free mic attached to my headphones which I recorded this album on"
- ALT3: ... that Come In was inspired by a webcomic that Weatherday wrote? Source: [31] "Mio is a character from a webcomic I made back in 2016-2017 [...] I used Mio on the album cover cause I drew inspiration from the webcomic when I was making the album"[32] "The album as a whole is set up like my webcomic which I sort of based things from the album on along with my own life."
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I created the page in the draftspace and OhHaiMark moved it into the mainspace. This is my first DYK nomination and first time building up an article, please let me know if I did anything wrong!
LeMeilleurMiel (talk) 21:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC).
Moses da Rieti
- ... that Moses da Rieti was the first Hebrew poet to write in the rhyming verse form of Dante?
- Reviewed:
cc @User:GordonGlottal Andre🚐 19:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC).
- Given that general readers may not know what "terza rima" is, a minor reword (perhaps changing the term to something more accessible) may be needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Seems fair, maybe we should add the phrase "rhyming verse form" afterwards? Andre🚐 01:17, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Or you could just replace "terza rima" with "rhyming verse form" in the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 6
[edit]Empirical Labs Distressor
- ... that Maroon 5, Kali Uchis, and Wilco have all used the same effects unit (pictured)?
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/inside-track-kali-uchis-fantasy
https://tapeop.com/interviews/70/tj-doherty/- Reviewed:
The Midnite Wolf (talk) 11:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC).
Michael Sugrue
- ... that Michael Sugrue became an "internet phenomenon" during the COVID-19 pandemic for his lectures on YouTube covering "the last 3,000 years of Western intellectual history” recorded in 1992?
- Source: "Michael Sugrue, 66, Dies; His Talks on Philosophy Were a YouTube Hit
After an academic career spent in near obscurity, he became an internet phenomenon during the pandemic by uploading talks he had given three decades earlier.
The college lecturer, in a uniform of rumpled khakis and corduroy blazer, paces on a small stage, head down. “The lectures you’re about to see,” he says in introducing a series of talks, videotaped in somewhat hokey lo-fi style in 1992, “cover the last 3,000 years of Western intellectual history.""
NY Times- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sophie Scamps
- Comment: Alt hooks welcome!
Thriley (talk) 17:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC).
1917 Łódź City Council election
- ... that whilst socialists got 31% of the votes in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (campaign poster pictured), they only won five seats due to a curiae system implemented by the German authorities?
- Source: Telma Tadeusz. Pierwsze wybory do Rady Miejskiej m. Łodzi, in Rocznik Łódzki, Vol. 11 (14). Państwowe Wydawnictwu Naukowe, 1966. pp. 134, 138-146, Antoni Goerne. Wybory do Rady Miejskiej w Lodzi w styczniu 1917, in Informator m Lodzi z kalendarzem na rok 1919. pp. 76-83
Soman (talk) 11:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC).
- I'm not taking on the review, but just leaving a comment, as I'm puzzled. Without context, this may not be hook-notable I believe. The question left unaddressed is five seats out of how many. If it is five seats out of 15, this would seen rather non-notable. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:F804:C954:1D4C:5D11 (talk) 03:51, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I went back and forth on the wording of the sentence, but with the 200 characters cap it is difficult to get all nuances and factoids included. For me "only five" implies that it is less than proportional, but a rewording could be to replace "five seats" with "8%". --Soman (talk) 10:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
General eligibility:
- New enough:
- Long enough:
- Other problems: - Borderline eligible for "lead needs expansion" cleanup tag
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- Cited:
- Interesting: - ?
Image eligibility:
- Freely licensed: - The licensing is incorrect, at issue is not the photograph copyright but the poster itself ({{PD-1923}} in the United States, not sure about Poland)—then you can use {{PD-scan}}
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- Clear at 100px: - all you can see is a number 5
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Overall: The article looks mostly fine, but I'm not sure about the hook. Non-proportional electoral systems are typical outside of continental Europe, where proportional representation based systems are more common. First past the post can cause equal amount of distortion. (t · c) buidhe 04:06, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- But the hook states that the reasons for the disproportionality is the curiae system, which is arguably something different from FPTP dynamics. The curia system would be very weird present-day, to explicitly discriminate in favour of the wealthiest. There are some alternate takes on the on the hook, like ALT1 "... that while 55% of the voters in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) were working class, they only got 10 out of 60 seats due to a curiae system implemented by the German authorities?" or ALT2 ... that the curiae-based electoral system used by German occupation authorities in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) disproportionally favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties? Now ALT2 would require a bit of a rewrite in article and need another image though. --Soman (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Regarding the clarity of image, I selected precisely because it had symbolism that was readable even at 100px. I don't think we'd expect people to read the fine print, but in 100px the number 5 is clearly visible (5 times) and the largest text is readable ('vote for our list'). The designer of the poster wanted that a reader catch the number 5 clearly even from a distance. --Soman (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- But the hook states that the reasons for the disproportionality is the curiae system, which is arguably something different from FPTP dynamics. The curia system would be very weird present-day, to explicitly discriminate in favour of the wealthiest. There are some alternate takes on the on the hook, like ALT1 "... that while 55% of the voters in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) were working class, they only got 10 out of 60 seats due to a curiae system implemented by the German authorities?" or ALT2 ... that the curiae-based electoral system used by German occupation authorities in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) disproportionally favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties? Now ALT2 would require a bit of a rewrite in article and need another image though. --Soman (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- My point is that many electoral systems intentionally or not result in disproportionate seats for certain parties at the expense of others, thus it cannot really be a surprising fact that this particular electoral system has that result. (t · c) buidhe 19:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again, this is not comparable to the issues from FPTP or STV electoral systems. Here was a case where an electoral system was explicitly designed to give a absolute majority to the wealthiest sections of society, with the explicit and publicly stated goal of ensuring a stable conservative majority. Now at the time the principle 1 citizen 1 vote was not universal by any means, but for present-day readers this is certainly something that would raise eyebrows. --Soman (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I know a bit about how pre-German Revolution electoral systems worked in Germany (and as you've written here, applied to occupied territories), but the average reader doesn't. So I think if you are going to take that angle, it needs to be more clear in the hook. (t · c) buidhe 22:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Soman: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 00:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- How about ALT3 - "... that the class-based curiae system used by German occupation authorities in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) disproportionately favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties?" --Soman (talk) 01:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)?
- @Soman: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 00:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I know a bit about how pre-German Revolution electoral systems worked in Germany (and as you've written here, applied to occupied territories), but the average reader doesn't. So I think if you are going to take that angle, it needs to be more clear in the hook. (t · c) buidhe 22:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again, this is not comparable to the issues from FPTP or STV electoral systems. Here was a case where an electoral system was explicitly designed to give a absolute majority to the wealthiest sections of society, with the explicit and publicly stated goal of ensuring a stable conservative majority. Now at the time the principle 1 citizen 1 vote was not universal by any means, but for present-day readers this is certainly something that would raise eyebrows. --Soman (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Tempered chocolate
- ... that researchers speculate cocoa butter forms crystals on sugar while chocolate is tempered?
- Source: Pirouzian et al. (2020), pg. 2: "The addition of the sugar particles promoted the formation of polymorphs with lower melting points. It was suggested that the sugar acted as a heterogeneous nucleation agent, prolonging the nucleation and growth of cocoa butter crystals since foreign surfaces acted as nucleation sites for crystallization"
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Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 11:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on September 7
[edit]Nan Nan Resources
- ... that the Hong Kong based holding company now known as Nan Nan Resources went by three different names in 2011?
- Source: In 2011, the company would change its identity twice. First to International Resources Enterprise Limited in April, and then to Nan Nan Resources Enterprise Limited in October.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is my first ever DYK nomination. Please give feedback to help make it better.
DarthCloakedGuy (talk) 12:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC).
Yumeshima Station
- ... that the extension to the Yumeshima Station was originally supposed to be opened in 2008 for when the Osaka Olympics was being bidded for?
- Reviewed:
ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC).
- ALT1: ... that Yumeshima Station is scheduled to open in 2025, even though it was first planned to be opened in 2008?
Just an idea for the nominator (I will not be the reviewer). Bremps... 06:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Teleke Lauti
- ... that politician Teleke Lauti unseated a former Prime Minister with a campaign managed by a former Prime Minister?
- Source: Islands Business / TuvaluIslands.com (defeated Kamuta Latasi; campaign was run by his uncle, former Prime Minister Toaripi Lauti)
- ALT1: ... that politician Teleke Lauti unseated a former Prime Minister, was unseated himself by a future Prime Minister, and later ran again to replace a former Prime Minister? Source: same for 'unseated a former Prime Minister'; lost to Latasi and Kausea Natano (future PM) in 2002 (could add another source verifying Natano as being a future PM if needed); Fenui News for running to replace a former PM (Latasi in 2018)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Edward J. York
- Comment: Open to other ways of wording. Would like it if it could be featured by the end of the month, prior to the end of the Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest (since I'm competing with the Tuvalu flag).
BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:02, 10 September 2024 (UTC).
- New enough, long enough, QPQ done. We're treading around describing the political system slightly, but it can be pieced together. A source is needed in the article for the future PM part. Work on climate change should be mentioned in the lead. He may have been assistant Minsiter(?) but that may all need a deeper investigation. CMD (talk) 07:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
48th Hong Kong International Film Festival
- ... that the 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival canceled the screening of a politically themed film due to the "inability to locate suitable copies", despite the film being showcased 3 years ago?
- ALT1: ... that Karena Lam was named the ambassador of the 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival, making her only the second woman to hold this position? Source: [3]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/M503
- Comment:
Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 14:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC).
References
- ^ "國際電影節突取消放映《去年煙花特別多》 陳果感可惜:咩都可以發生" [[Hong Kong] International Film Festival Suddenly Cancels Screening of The Longest Summer — Fruit Chan Expresses Regret: Anything Could Happen.]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 9 March 2024. Retrieved 7 September 2024.
原定在第四十八屆香港國際電影節中放映的《去年煙花特別多》日前突然取消,主辦方指「因找不到合適拷貝而未能放映」,改爲放映電影《墮胎師》。該電影由本港獨立電影導演陳果執導,他回覆本報查詢說,對於《去年》未能放映感到可惜,又稱近日才接獲電影節通知指沒有菲林拷貝而取消放映,不清楚是否涉及其他原因。《去年》於1998年上映,與《香港製造》及《細路祥》合稱「九七三部曲」,以香港主權移交及華裔英兵故事作爲背景,電影中亦穿插主權移交及解放軍入城等片段。
[The screening of The Longest Summer, originally scheduled for the 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival, was suddenly canceled. The organizers stated that it could not be shown "due to the inability to locate suitable copies", and the film The Abortionist will be screened instead. Directed by local independent filmmaker Fruit Chan, he responded to [Ming Pao's] inquiry by expressing regret that The Longest Summer could not be screened. He mentioned that he only recently received notification from the festival that there were no film copies available, and he is unsure if there are other reasons involved. The Longest Summer was released in 1998 and is part of the "1997 Trilogy," along with Made in Hong Kong and Little Cheung. It sets against the backdrop of Hong Kong's sovereignty handover and stories of Chinese-ethnic British soldiers. The film also features segments about the handover and the arrival of the People's Liberation Army.] - ^ "「找不到合適拷貝」 國際電影節撤播《去年煙花特別多 》" ["Unable to Find Suitable Copies": International Film Festival Withdraws Screening of The Longest Summer.]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 10 March 2024. Archived from the original on 9 September 2024. Retrieved 7 September 2024.
第48屆香港國際電影節本月28日開幕,由獨立電影導演陳果執導的《去年煙花特別多》突然被取消放映,改為放映同由陳果執導的《墮胎師》。主辦方在電影節節目及訂票手冊中稱「因找不到合適拷貝而未能放映」。陳果昨回覆本報稱,對於《去》未能放映感可惜,近日才接獲電影節通知稱沒有菲林拷貝而取消放映,不清楚是否涉其他原因。翻查資料,《去》曾於2017年在香港藝術中心古天樂電影院放映,當年主辦方與今屆電影節主辦方同為香港國際電影節協會(HKIFF)。《去》2021年也曾在兆基創意書院放映室放映,播放的是35mm菲林拷貝。
[The 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival opened on the 28th of this month. The screening of The Longest Summer, directed by independent filmmaker Fruit Chan, was suddenly canceled, and it was replaced with The Abortionist, also directed by Fruit Chan. The organizers stated in the festival program and ticketing booklet that it could not be screened "due to the inability to locate suitable copies". Chan expressed regret over the cancellation of The Longest Summer, stating that he only recently received notification from the festival that there were no film copies available and is unsure if there are other reasons involved. According to records, The Longest Summer was previously screened in 2017 at the Hong Kong Arts Centre's Gigi Leung Cinema, with the same organizers as this year's festival, the Hong Kong International Film Festival Society (HKIFF). The film was also screened in 2021 at Lee Shau Kee School of Creativity, using a 35mm film copy.] - ^ Lo, Zabrina (20 March 2024). "Karena Lam on the lack of gender equality in the local film industry, and her ambassadorships with French May and Hong Kong International Film Festival". Tatler Asia. Archived from the original on March 29, 2024. Retrieved 7 September 2024.
To say Taiwanese Canadian actress Karena Lam has a packed calendar is an understatement. This year, she replaces Aaron Kwok as the ambassador of the Hong Kong International Film Festival which will take place from March 28 to April 8—becoming the second woman to be offered this position since actress Miriam Yeung in 2011.
Flag of Falcón state, Monument to the Venezuelan Federation
- ... that the current flag of Falcón state (pictured), first hoisted at the Monument to the Venezuelan Federation in 2006, was based on the design of the 1806 naval flag of Francisco de Miranda?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Uzun-Hajji
- Comment: qpq review is a double nom
Soman (talk) 14:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC).
New York Hall of Science
- ... that the physicist Alan J. Friedman walked through water to become the New York Hall of Science's director? Source: MacGowan, Carl (May 9, 2004). "1 museum $68M = Science City, Thanks to Alan Friedman, the future is bright at expanding Hall of Science". Newsday. p. G06
- ALT1: ... that before becoming the New York Hall of Science's director, the physicist Alan J. Friedman walked through water to be interviewed for that position? Source: MacGowan, Carl (May 9, 2004). "1 museum $68M = Science City, Thanks to Alan Friedman, the future is bright at expanding Hall of Science". Newsday. p. G06
- ALT2: ... that a nuclear reactor was nearly built at the New York Hall of Science, but the money for the institution instead went to the Yankee Stadium? Source: Mehdi, Anisa (May 9, 1982). "A 2d chance for Hall of Science". New York Daily News. p. 381.
- ALT3: ... that after the New York Hall of Science was renovated in the 1980s, all but three employees were fired? Source: MacGowan, Carl (May 9, 2004). "1 museum $68M = Science City, Thanks to Alan Friedman, the future is bright at expanding Hall of Science". Newsday. p. G06
- ALT4: ... that for four decades, staff at the New York Hall of Science believed that a genuine Project Mercury space capsule there was a replica? Source: Burby, Liza N. (November 22, 2004). "New exhibits, inside and out". Newsday. p. 74.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Church of St Peter, Draycott
- Comment: More hooks later
Epicgenius (talk) 19:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC).
Abraham Hamadeh
- ... that Abraham Hamadeh lost one of the closest elections in Arizona history by 280 votes, and has filed multiple lawsuits challenging the results?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: My first DYK nomination, I'm confident I did this right but I'm still welcome to suggestions!
DukeOfDelTaco (talk) 05:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on September 8
[edit]Tore Skeie
- ... that Tore Skeie's first book, written while he faced severe financial hardship, won him a prize of NOK 100,000?
- ALT1: ... that a critic wrote that Tore Skeie's third book had the "energy of an epic television show"? Source: [35]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller, Sr.
Kimikel (talk) 00:21, 9 September 2024 (UTC).
Spearfishing at the Micronesian Games
- ... that spearfishing at the Micronesian Games in 2014 was controversial because a fish that was caught was mutilated by a shark?
Sahaib (talk) 18:52, 8 September 2024 (UTC).
- QPQ needed @Sahaib:. Also, assuming "websites.mygameday.app" is reliable, proposing ALT1: ... that a shark cost a competitor a silver medal in the spearfishing event at the 2014 Micronesian Games?--Launchballer 19:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: QPQ done, also source appears to be reliable as it cites Alana Christensen of "United Youth Media" and has a picture. Sahaib (talk) 19:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed.--Launchballer 19:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Article is new enough and long enough, with detailed sources. Text is neutral and plagiarism free. Hook is cited and interesting, ALT1 preferred. QPQ is done. I hesitate to give it a green light as there are a couple of parts of the article that would benefit from some clarification - marked with when and why. Once they are sorted, good to go. Lajmmoore (talk) 18:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Lajmmoore: done. Sahaib (talk) 18:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Lajmmoore (talk) 21:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Baguia Fort
- ... that a fort in Baguia was restored in order to turn it into a hotel? Source: page 71
- ALT1: ... that orange trees once located in front of a fort in East Timor were only for the use of the ruling Portuguese? Source: page 314
- ALT2: ... that a fort in Baguia saw an engagement during the 1959 Viqueque rebellion that resulted in no casualties? Source: page 32
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Serekunda
- Comment: Other hook ideas welcome!
CMD (talk) 11:26, 8 September 2024 (UTC).
Jewish dairy restaurant
- ... that Leon Trotsky frequented a Jewish dairy restaurant in the Bronx but refused to tip, and waiters retaliated by burning him with hot soup?
- Reviewed:
Andre🚐 09:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC).
- Not a full review, but the interesting thing about the article is the fact that Jewish dairy restaurants even exist in the first place, considering kosher laws. I'd suggest proposing hooks that focus specifically on that aspect, as least as possible options for the promoter, as the mere concept of the Jewish dairy restaurant is the elephant in the room here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Could you elaborate what you mean? Dairy restaurants are kosher. That is the entire point of them. The laws say not to mix milk and meat, that's why there isn't any meat at a dairyrestaurant. Andre🚐 12:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- As a non-Jew myself, I just thought that the actual concept was interesting by itself. It might not be as obvious to observant Jews of course since they may take it for granted, but especially to people from places where Jews are not very visible it might be unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Yeah maybe there could be an ALT1 like:
- As a non-Jew myself, I just thought that the actual concept was interesting by itself. It might not be as obvious to observant Jews of course since they may take it for granted, but especially to people from places where Jews are not very visible it might be unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
... that Jewish dairy restaurants specialize in food like cheese blintzes and vegetarian borscht to accommodate the kosher Jewish dietary rules on milk and meat?
- A bit long perhaps? Andre🚐 14:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:DYKTRIM it could be shortened to something like "... that Jewish dairy restaurants specialize in food that accommodate the kosher Jewish dietary rules on milk and meat?" Would that be okay with you? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sure sounds good. Andre🚐 00:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:DYKTRIM it could be shortened to something like "... that Jewish dairy restaurants specialize in food that accommodate the kosher Jewish dietary rules on milk and meat?" Would that be okay with you? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- A bit long perhaps? Andre🚐 14:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I do think the original hook is interesting, I only mentioned the suggestion above so that it could be offered as an option. It's probably best for a reviewer to make the final decision. I've slightly modified the original hook to give Trotsky's full name since not all readers may know who he is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 9
[edit]Funnyback
- ... that people referred to the 1928 US$1 silver certificate as a Funnyback (pictured)?
- ALT1: ... that America's first small-size silver certificate was referred to as a Funnyback (pictured)? Source: Same or other in article
- ALT2: ... that the 1928 US$1 note was 25% smaller than the previous $1 note but people thought the reverse was funny (pictured)? Source: a 25% reduction in size (6.14″ x 2.61″) and ... Who actually coined the nickname “Funnyback” about the mismatched face and back designs may never be pinpointed.
- ALT3: ... that the Funnyback (pictured) was the first first small-size silver certificate issued by the United States? Source: First small note
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Georgi Romanov
- Comment: I will likely continue to develop parts of this article. Edit: there are other images as well that are square like this one File:US-$1-SC-1928-E-Fr.1605.jpg
Bruxton (talk) 21:59, 10 September 2024 (UTC).
Alison Creagh
- ... that Alison Creagh (pictured) became a Member of the Order of Australia "for significant service to veterans and their families, and to rowing"? Source: https://www.gg.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-07/QB20%20Gazette%20-%20O%20of%20A%20V6.pdf
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC).
David de Pomis
- ... that David de Pomis published a trilingual Hebrew-Aramaic, Latin, and Italian dictionary in 1587?
Andre🚐 01:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC).
Middlesex Regiment alien labour units
- ... that during the First World War the British army deployed companies of aliens to France?
- Source: Although all eight were described as "Alien" companies, the originals were formed from the sons of foreign nationals, however from 1918 actual foreign nationals were used to form three companies , see eg: "the Director of Labour in France was informed that all Russians and other aliens whom 'it was not desirable to retain with fighting units' were to be sent to the Middlesex Regiment base depot at Etaples. Apart from the Russians, they were to be posted to the Middlesex Infantry Labour Companies ... This enabled three more Middlesex Labour companies to be formed." from: Messenger, Charles (30 April 2015). Call to Arms: The British Army 1914-18. Orion. p. 121. ISBN 978-1-78022-759-7.
- ALT1: ... that during the First World War "the queerest battalion in the British Army" did no fighting? Source: "Only in September 1916 did one of the battalions (perhaps in ignorance of the second) become the focus of sarcastic press attention. Headlined 'The Kaiser's Own', the London Evening Standard ran an article about the 'Queerest Battalion in the British Army'" from: Emden, Richard van (15 August 2013). Meeting the Enemy: The Human Face of the Great War. A&C Black. pp. 246–249. ISBN 978-1-4088-3981-2. and "This unit is not a combatant unit" from: "Middlesex Regiment, 30th Battalion : Volume 91: debated on Thursday 8 March 1917". Hansard. Retrieved 26 August 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ivan Palmaw
Dumelow (talk) 11:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on September 10
[edit]Margaret Reid (politician)
- ... that Margaret Reid was appointed to the Australian Senate 20 years after losing an election for the House of Representatives?
- Source: Valedictory speech at Parliament of Australia "The opportunity for me to become a senator ... I was appointed to this job at a joint sitting of the two houses of the federal parliament on 5 May 1981" and "Senator Reid has confidence in 'thriving city' " at Canberra Times "In 1961, she conducted her first electoral campaign, as the Liberal candidate for the Federal seat of Bonython, in South Australia." and 1961 legislative election results at Adam Carr's archive
Reidgreg (talk) 12:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC).
- Is there another hook that can be proposed here? Politicians being appointed to or elected to positions after losing previously is very common and not at all unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, looking at the article, I'm surprised the following wasn't proposed:
- ALT1 ... that Margaret Reid is the first woman to serve as President of the Australian Senate? (Source: "Rising Above the Genteel Rumble of the Pink Palace" Canberra Times at ProQuest 1016152950 (via Wikipedia Library) "She made Australian political history on August 20, 1996 when she became the first woman President of the Senate."
- Although a "first" hook (a kind of hook that has been discouraged on DYK as of late), it is one that should be relatively easy to verify/support and thus not as an exceptional of a claim as most other "first" hooks. In addition, it's the highlight of her career, but more importantly, probably more interesting to a broad audience than just merely losing an election then winning/being appointed again later. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, ALT1 looks good to me; I've added a source already cited in the article at that sentence (in the body). She had some other "firsts" (first and only president representing a territory, first female deputy president, and I thought first female whip though I'm not finding a source on that right now) but only included the major one so as not to emphasize this too much per WP:FIRSTWOMAN. I wouldn't put it in the lead sentence, but it seems fine to me for DYK. If there are objections, though, I don't mind withdrawing the nomination. I also piped women to Women in the Australian Senate if that's alright. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, looking at the article, I'm surprised the following wasn't proposed:
Articles created/expanded on September 11
[edit]It's OK I'm OK
- ... that Tate McRae gets naked in her "It's OK I'm OK" music video?
- Source: News.com.au
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WHOV
NØ 07:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC).
Shin Iza Gawna
- ... that after obtaining the philosopher's stone, the monk Shin Iza Gawna caused gold and silver to rain down in Pagan, bringing great wealth to his followers? Source: https://news-eleven.com/article/292466
- Reviewed:
Hteiktinhein (talk) 09:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC).
- This will not be a full review but DYK hooks need to be factual. If we run with this hook, we need to do something like ALT1: that according to legend, after obtaining the philosopher's stone, the monk Shin Iza Gawna caused gold and silver to rain down in Pagan, bringing great wealth to his followers? Bremps... 06:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- agreed! Thanks for new hook but full review needed. Hteiktinhein (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, please... I have an image of the monk's statue, and I’m trying to find it in my iCloud. I will upload it to Wiki Commons soon. Thanks! Hteiktinhein (talk) 21:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Photo added. It's good time to full review. Hteiktinhein (talk) 16:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- agreed! Thanks for new hook but full review needed. Hteiktinhein (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 12
[edit]Charles Biasiny-Rivera
- ... that photographer Charles Biasiny-Rivera and fellow members of the artistic collective En Foco drove around New York City in his Volkswagen Bus putting on art exhibitions in Latino neighborhoods?
- Source: NY Times
Thriley (talk) 20:13, 19 September 2024 (UTC).
Cannonball (MILW train)
- ... that Milwaukee, Wisconsin, had a commuter train nicknamed the Cannonball operating between suburban Watertown until 1972?
- Source: Sanders, Craig (2006). Amtrak in the Heartland. Bloomington, Indiana: Indiana University Press. p. 184. ISBN 978-0-253-34705-3
- Reviewed:
Central Corridor (talk) 19:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC).
Danton Barto
- ... that despite still being the Memphis Tigers' all-time leading tackler over 30 years after his college career ended, Danton Barto never made it to the NFL?
- Reviewed:
~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC).
Benjamin Franklin Shumard
- ... that an assistant to Texas chief geologist Benjamin Franklin Shumard named an oak species in his honor, but then foiled his reinstatement after he was let go by newly-elected Governor Sam Houston?
- Source: in his honor: Buckley, Samuel Botsford (1860). "Description of Several New Species of Plants". Proc. Acad. Nat. Sci. Philadelphia. 12 (published 1861): 443–445 – via JSTOR.
got him fired, see page 7, line 4 of this source: Roessler, A. R. "Reply to the charges made by SB Buckley, State Geologist of Texas, in his official report of 1874, against Dr. BF Shumard and AR Roessler." (1875). https://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/bc3d474b-4e53-4980-8240-9b48ba20b33d/content
see also: p.144 (p2 of pdf): Young, Keith (1994-01-01). "The Shumards in Texas". Earth Sciences History. 13 (2): 143–153.- ALT1: ... that Texas chief geologist Benjamin Franklin Shumard had an oak species named in his honor by an assistant in 1860, who then stymied Shumard's reappointment by Texas Governor Sam Houston? Source: same as above, trying different wording
- Reviewed:
ProfGray (talk) 18:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC).
U Wasawa
- ... that the Buddhist monk U Wasawa founded an armed Pyusawhti militia at his monastery and commanded his forces to burn down several villages? Source: https://burmese.dvb.no/post/570515
- Reviewed:
Hteiktinhein (talk) 09:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC).
- Hi, why is no one interested in viewing this DYK for a long time? Please let me know how many days the review process usually takes. Hteiktinhein (talk) 18:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 13
[edit]Nobody Knows (Shawn Mendes song)
- ... that Shawn Mendes's song "Nobody Knows" was recorded in one take on a "tough night"?
- Source: American Songwriter
NØ 05:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC).
Virginia Beach Police Department
- ... that the Virginia Beach Police Department has a force larger than that of Richmond, the state's capital?
- Reviewed:
Erin (SSBelfastFanatic) (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC).
- Promising factoid, but with no provided citation to back it up here. Article was created 15 days ago (on September 3)—a week and change beyond the normal eligibility deadline—but became an AFC graduate on the 13th, so at least we're good here. Said article also has a {{more sources needed section}} banner, which fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE and might as well be addressed ASAP. To the editor now known as @PhoenixCaelestis: As far as your DYK skills are concerned, you're starting to get there, and with two go-rounds in this arena so far, I'll forgive you for that. Wishing you luck next time, and best of editing! --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 12:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 14
[edit]Articles created/expanded on September 15
[edit]Od Warszawy do Ojcowa
- ... that the Polish adventure and travel novel for the youth, From Warsaw to Ojców, was "highly regarded novel in its time", and inspired another novel by another writer half a decade later? Source: see Makuch (2013), Kuliczkowska (1959, 1973) as cited in the article
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ pending.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
- I will be closing this in 24 hours if I don't see a valid QPQ before then @Piotrus:.--Launchballer 14:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed.--Launchballer 18:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Czarodziejski okręt
- ... that The Magic Ship is a Polish robinsonade from 1914, inspired by the works of Jules Verne? Source: https://books.google.co.kr/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=ZX4ZAAAAMAAJ&dq=umi%C5%84ski+%22W+g%C5%82%C4%99binach+oceanu%22&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22Verne%27owsk%C4%85+Szko%C5%82%C4%85+Robinson%C3%B3w%22
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ pending.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
- I will be closing this in 24 hours if I don't see a valid QPQ before then @Piotrus:.--Launchballer 14:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed.--Launchballer 18:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Elaine DePrince
- ... that Elaine DePrince wrote Cry Bloody Murder after two of her young hemophiliac sons died of AIDS?
- Source: Associated Press
Cielquiparle (talk) 07:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC).
Edmond and Lily Safra Center for Brain Sciences
- ... that the facade of the Edmond and Lily Safra Center for Brain Sciences in Jerusalem is a screen based on the circuitry of a rat brain?
- Source: Overlaid with gleaming 21st-century filigree, this esthetic delight hints at pattern and order, embedded in randomness. “They are Henry Markram’s neurons – or rather, from his rat brains,” explains Segev, “and we at ELSC had the idea of this neuron trellis wrapping round the building.” https://www.jpost.com/Jerusalem-Report/In-sickness-and-in-health-540756
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I am trying to find a better image to illustrate the neuron screen
Simxaraba (talk) 07:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC).
- I have now added what I think is a better image of the neuron screen. I can come up with another hook if this one is not good enough.Simxaraba (talk) 09:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Talli Osborne
- ... that Canadian punk rock musician Talli Osborne had only briefly spoken to the frontman of NOFX before the band wrote a song about her? Source: Vice magazine, 2015; Toronto Star, 2015 (archived copy)
Bridget (talk) 22:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC).
Nathania Ong
- ... that Nathania Ong had not even seen the musical when she was offered the role of Éponine in Les Misérables?
KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC).
- More of a comment than a review, but while I do think the hook is marginally interesting, I imagine theater actors being offered roles in plays they'd never seen before is actually not uncommon. As such, I wonder if additional hook angles could be proposed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: that's a reasonable point, though this was what I deemed to be the most interesting "factoid" in the article. And even if it really were the case (that this is "actually not uncommon"), how many times have such hooks appeared on DYK? It sure can't beat the river-related hooks of yesteryear 😆 KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 14:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Marie Marcks
- ... that Marie Marcks (pictured) was called the Grande Dame of political cartoons in Germany?
- ALT1: ... that Marie Marcks (pictured) sarcastically caricatured gender roles like no one before? Source: https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/100-geburtstag-marie-marcks-100.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Council Working Party
- Comment: A biography of the first woman in Germany who became famous for her political caricatures.
Munfarid1 (talk) 11:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC).
June Franklin
- ... that June Franklin was the first African American in an Iowa major political party to be elected as the Assistant Minority Leader of the Democratic House?
- Source: "In recognition of her demonstrated leadership skills, she was elected during the 63rd General Assembly to the position of Assistant Minority Leader of the Democratic House. Franklin is the first African-American to hold such a leadership position in either major political party in Iowa." - Silag, Bill (2001). Outside In: African-American History In Iowa 1838-2000. State Historical Society of Iowa. pp. 349–350. ISBN 0890330131.
SL93 (talk) 00:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC).
- Not a huge fan of the hook angle given that being an assistant minority leader doesn't seem as impressive being an actual minority leader. There do seem to be some other possible alternatives in the article so here they are:
- ALT1 ... that Iowa politician June Franklin worked as an insurance agent and a real estate agent prior to entering politics?
- ALT1a ... that Iowa state representative June Franklin worked as an insurance agent and a real estate agent prior to entering politics?
- ALT2 ... that Iowa politician June Franklin wrote to 10 members of the US Congress urging them to declare Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday a federal holiday?
- ALT3 ... that state representative June Franklin addressed the nation from the Iowa State Capitol following the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.?
- Most partial to ALT1/ALT1a myself but I'll leave it to a reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:24, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5 I agree that those are much better. Thank you. SL93 (talk) 00:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Brussels Party Conference of the Communist Party of Germany
- ... that the 1935 Brussels Party Conference of the Communist Party of Germany took place in the outskirts of Moscow rather than in Brussels?
- Source: Hans Kluth. Die KPD in der Bundesrepublik: Ihre politische Tätigkeit und Organisation 1945 – 1956. Springer-Verlag, 2013. pp. 12, 15
Soman (talk) 11:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on September 16
[edit]Krzyż i półksiężyc
- ... that the 1913 Polish novel The Cross and the Crescent is one of the earliest examples of military science fiction genre in Polish literature? Source: https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/uminski_wladyslaw
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ pending
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
- I will be closing this in 24 hours if I don't see a valid QPQ before then @Piotrus:.--Launchballer 14:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Krwawy chleb
- ... that the 1909 Polish novel Bloody Bread about the struggles of Polish immigrants in the USA was in the 1950s briefly criticized by the Polish communist censors for "glorifying the United States"? Source: http://wrh.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/299_PDFsam_WRH-t.-XII-2015.pdf
- Reviewed:
- Comment:
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
- I will be closing this in 24 hours if I don't see a valid QPQ before then @Piotrus:.--Launchballer 14:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Which policy allows such a speedy closure? I was under the impression QPQ can be done several days or even weeks later, while the nom is on hold. For now, have one here: Template:Did you know nominations/KAUT-TV . I will try to do QPQs for others later this week. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
WP:QPQ: A nomination which doesn't include a QPQ (and is not from an exempt nominator) may be closed as "incomplete" without warning.--Launchballer 00:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: Per a recent rule change as a result of this discussion, the old rule where QPQs must be provided within a week of the nomination has been phased out. Instead, QPQs should be provided at the time of the nomination, and any nomination that does not immediately provide a QPQ is liable for closure. Doing the QPQs "later this week" is no longer sufficient: they have to be given at the time of the nomination, and you must provide them as soon as possible if you do not want your nominations to be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer and Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for the heads up. I am not very happy with this change. I've always done my QPQs on time, with submission (and I've done hundreds of them), but just recently someone translated a bunch of my articles form pl wiki without heads up, and I am trying to rescue some of them for DYKs within the time period - and I am a bit busy IRL so for the first time I delayed QPQ. And then this happens. Sigh. You know you can trust me do to my QPQs, no? It's not like I will drop noms here and run. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer already gave an ultimatum for your open nominations: provide a QPQ within 24 hours of the messages, or they will be closed. If you do not think it will be feasible to complete them all in time then it may be better to just let them go for now and try to avoid this repeating in the future. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Ready Set Learn!
- ... that Ready Set Learn! was TLC's answer to the PBS children's lineup?
- Source: "Learning Channel Plans Ad-Free Kids' Shows". Orlando Sentinel. New York Daily News. 1992-08-23. p. F2. Retrieved 2024-09-18 – via ProQuest.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Virginia Beach Police Department
- Comment: For this week's factoid, you can thank Thriley (talk · contribs) for influencing me.
- The initials of this block's home network once stood for "The Learning Channel", but as you shall soon see, there's a reason they also stand for "tender loving care".
- Yet another revamp of yet another long-neglected kidvid article (after last month's stint on The Book of Virtues). And by "long-neglected", there are no kind words for how much this got dragged across the mud over the first 18 years of its existence, suffering the slings and arrows of IPs and vandals with no substantial improvement--or serious research--in sight. To the point where TenPoundHammer (talk · contribs) and Liz (talk · contribs) put the old version out of its misery by May 2022 per WP:NTV. Quoting the former:
"Tagged for notability since 2013. Program blocks are far less likely to be notable on their own, and I see no reason for this one to be so."
- Not for long, though.
- One night last week, I came across Kenny the Shark's status report at this page on TV Tropes--which had me wondering about a demographically related Discovery property, the one I've nominated right now. Looking up Ready Set Learn! InPrivate, I was astonished there was no article on the block, only to learn it had been deleted some time ago. Plan of action: Search it up at WP:Library ProQuest, invoke WP:THREE at WP:RFUD, and hope for the best. And you can easily guess what happened next till this Monday and beyond--complete with official exclamation mark, and proof of its CableACE win back in 1995. (Rehabbed through the AFC process.)
- Don't know what to say next...other than I may need another cooldown from WP eventually. (Besides, I'm trying to get a long-gestating NaNoWriMo project of mine rejuvenated off-WP today or tomorrow.) Or maybe not, as my AFC queue will quickly prove; I feel like taking a stab at a couple of pre-queue efforts before this week's over. Once again, see you back soon with another kidlit pick.
- From one of this block's fellow viewers in the Commonwealth of Dominica back then (through the Marpin cable service).
- Wikitrivia note: Short27265 (talk · contribs) was a single-purpose account from mid-November 2004 with only two edits to their name, both page creations: for Peep and the Big Wide World, and the subject of this DYK pitch (which it aired on).
Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 13:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC).
American Writers
- ... that William Lloyd Garrison read American Writers and told John Neal to be on guard should he return to the United States?
- Source: Pages 568–569 of this dissertation includes a long quote from Garrison's piece in the Newburyport Herald reacting to American Writers, including: "A word of advice to Mr. Neal before we part. If he venture to place his foot again on our soil, we say — Critic! gardez bien! or you may reap that reward for your vile labors, which you so richly merit."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ibsen Nelsen
- Comment: Thanks in advance for reviewing my nomination!
Dugan Murphy (talk) 01:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC).
AmBisyon Natin 2040
- ... that a plan was made by the government itself to fix the Philippines's government?
- Source: jerky sauce
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
12:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC).
- The 5x expansion checks out and the hook fact is verified. The nomination is timely and there are no copyright issues or other problems. I guess it could be more simply put as the following but I still approve ALT0:
- ALT1: ... that the Philippines's government made a plan to improve itself?
--NØ 10:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, looks better.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
11:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)- The hook is bog-standard: long term plans/visions are a dime a dozen in politics. I don't find it "unusual or intriguing" in the slightest. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, looks better.
Articles created/expanded on September 17
[edit]Veto (card game)
- ... that Veto was a Polish collectible card game inspired by the history of Poland, published from 2004 to 2017? Source: see Mochocki 2017 and 2024, cited in the article
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ pending. This is my article translated by another editor from pl wiki.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
- Article is new enough and long enough. The sources do seem to suggest the subject exists. The article seems sourced and presentable. The proposed hook seems quite bland, stating only that a historical card game exists. It doesn't even convey the fun concept of the liberum veto I assume the game is named after, although the article does not mention this either. Some new hook options are needed. As an administrative point, there is now somewhat of a consensus that QPQs should be included with nominations, so there is a need to carry it out here soon. Best, CMD (talk) 20:15, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Chipmunkdavis: How about this ALT1: ... that Veto, inspired by the history of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, is considered the first Polish collectible card game?
- QPQ done: Template:Did you know nominations/Ava–Hanthawaddy War (1401–1403). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. That's a better hook, but it would be good to get something very specific. Rather than the broad history of the Commonwealth, I would prefer an alt that specifically mentions the machinations of the Sjem (if somewhat dramatised). CMD (talk) 04:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
2021 Naperville–Woodridge tornado
- ... that a 2021 tornado in the Chicago suburbs had over four times the helicity it reasonably needed?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: The verification for the claim can be found on the "Environment" tab of the source linked.
GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
School of the Arts, Singapore
- ... that Louis Vuitton helped to develop the visual arts programme for School of the Arts, Singapore?
- Source: "FRENCH luxury label Louis Vuitton (LV) will be partnering the School of the Arts (Sota) to develop a visual arts programme for its students."
- Reviewed:
BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 06:33, 20 September 2024 (UTC).
Law of reentry
- ... that a law in Elizabethan Renaissance theatre was cited as proof against the theory that Macbeth is the Third Murderer?
- Source: "Mr. Irwin Smith [...] has demonstrated conclusively that all the apparent exceptions to the "Law of Reentry" be explained and justified in one way or another. His thesis, which I take to be unexceptionable, provides the clinching proof that Macbeth is not the Third Murderer" — The Third Murderer in Macbeth
- ALT1: ... that the law of reentry is cited as an explanation for a character's abrupt exit off the stage in Richard II? Source: "Almost the only “rule” in London theater that was still faithfully followed was the one we now call, for convenience, the law of reentry [...]. Thus, in Richard II, John of Gaunt makes an abrupt and awkward departure purely to be able to take part in a vital scene that follows." — Shakespeare: The World as Stage; also discussed in Their Exits and Reentrances, p. 9 and Shakespeare's Hand in "The Second Maiden's Tragedy" p. 5
- ALT2: ... that because of the law of reentry, characters in Elizabethan theatre could not leave the stage at the end of a scene and immediately reenter in the next? Source: "Finally, a word may be said about Prolss' "Law of Re-entry" as it bears upon the matter of act-intermissions. Briefly the law is this: Characters leaving the stage at the end of a scene to reappear at another locality are, to avoid confusion, not permitted to re-enter immediately" — The "Act Time" in Elizabethan Theatres
- ALT3: ... that some scholars believe many scenes in English Renaissance plays include "speeches or even scenes otherwise unnecessary" to avoid violating the law of reentry? Source: "Neuendorff considers Prölsz's Law of Re-entry (that no character shall leave the stage and immediately re-enter if the scene is meanwhile supposed to have changed) at some length, and finds it of the greatest influence upon dramatic construction. It accounts for the many scenes beginning or ending with a monologue, and for the insertion of speeches or even scenes otherwise unnecessary." — What We Know of the Elizabethan Stage
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Since this article deals with something governing the way characters exit and enter the stage in English Renaissance plays, I'm not actually sure if any of these run afoul of the "must focus on a real-world fact" thing, so I've provided a lot of hooks.
~Cheers, TenTonParasol 03:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on September 18
[edit]Gerda Philipsborn
- ... that Gerda Philipsborn, a German woman, dedicated her life to the early development of Jamia Millia Islamia, a national university in Delhi, India?
- Reviewed:
❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 11:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC).
White Noise (Will Wood song)
- ... that in the music video for "White Noise", Will Wood sings with a shaved head while an un-shaved version of himself plays backing instruments?
- ALT1: ... that Will Wood claims that white noise can cure cancer in his song "White Noise"? Source: https://www.theothersidereviews.com/a-chat-with-will-wood-20-07-22/
- Reviewed:
Koopastar (talk) 02:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC).
The United States of America (album)
- ... that Columbia Records wanted to change a song title on the 1968 album The United States of America by the band of the same name, because it referenced the then recently deceased Che Guevara?
- ALT1: ... that the title of the 1968 album The United States of America was intended to be a political statement akin to "hanging the flag upside down"?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Had to find an alternate source that I could easily link to as the article uses a book source
Iostn (talk) 21:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but ALT2: ... that The United States of America falls short of being really satisfying? would make an excellent April Fools' hook.--Launchballer 22:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Talk Talk (Charli XCX song)
- ... that Charli XCX once followed George Daniel into a toilet but stopped halfway, later writing "Talk Talk" about her experience? Source: https://www.nme.com/news/music/charli-xcx-reveals-talk-talk-is-about-nearly-following-the-1975s-george-daniel-to-the-toilet-at-the-nme-awards-3764123
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Aracy Amaral
- Comment: Drive-by nom.
Launchballer 02:08, 21 September 2024 (UTC).
Karađorđeva šnicla
- ... that the Karađorđeva šnicla was accidentally created as an improvisation of chicken Kiev? Source: Kalaba, Ana (9 March 2020). ""Kako sam skuvao istoriju": Životna priča Titovog kuvara" ["How I Cooked History": The Life Story of Tito's Chef]. NOVA portal (in Serbian). Archived from the original on 10 December 2023. Retrieved 13 September 2024., Mitrović, Nemanja (19 February 2023). "Jugoslavija i hrana: Kako je Titov kuvar stvorio Karađorđevu šniclu" [Yugoslavia and food: How Tito's chef created Karađorđe's schnitzel]. BBC News (in Serbian). Archived from the original on 17 March 2023. Retrieved 13 September 2024.
Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 12:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on September 19
[edit]Pat Ragusa, Alan Pringle
- ... that Pat Ragusa and Alan Pringle are the sole Venezuelans ever to play in the NFL?
- Source: PFR
- ALT1: ... that the only two Venezuelans to ever make the NFL, Pat Ragusa and Alan Pringle, played a combined four games? Source: same
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Samuel Conrad Schwach / Template:Did you know nominations/Isaac Vincent
BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:10, 26 September 2024 (UTC).
- Two QPQs done. Pat Ragusa starting expansion seven days before nomination. No OR or copyvio issues found in use of Gelberg source (although perhaps it doesn't need so many repeat citations). Article is otherwise presentable. Alan Pringle similarly expanded within the week timeframe. Can't access the newspaper sources here, but checked the stats ones and they same in order.Hook source is Pro Football Reference, who at a quick look around reliable for simple data. The data at any rate aligns with the prose in the articles. This seems good to go. CMD (talk) 06:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
A Boy Is a Gun
- ... that Tyler, the Creator's "A Boy Is a Gun" was named after a 1971 movie?
- Source: [37]
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04:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC).
Chauncey Archiquette
- ... that Chauncey Archiquette was Jim Thorpe's idol?
- Source: Path Lit by Lightning: The Life of Jim Thorpe (Thorpe said "[Archiquette] was my football idol and in our scrub games with the homemade football I always tried to emulate him") / Carlisle Vs. Army ("[Thorpe] was particularly taken with the team's star runner, an Indian boy named Chauncey Archiquette ... One day, Thorpe told himself, I'm going to be as tough as Chauncey ... [Thorpe, after watching practice] raced back and forth over the empty field, zigging here, zagging there, trying to emulate his idol.")
BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC).
- @BeanieFan11: Although Thorpe was a highly accomplished and iconic athlete of his era, I'm not actually sure if most Americans today know who he is or at least recognize his name (speaking as a non-American). In addition, I don't know if Thorpe is a name that is known internationally. As such, the hook as currently written may not be broadly interesting enough to meet WP:DYKINT. Additional hook suggestions are probably needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I considered this when making the nomination, but Thorpe is one of the most famous athletes of all time. Books are written about him nearly every year and we still have articles from the past few months such as "Thorpe was and still is the greatest athlete in the history of sports" / "On this day in history, May 28, 1888, Jim Thorpe, 'greatest athlete in the world,' is born" – I would be very surprised if the vast majority of people don't recognize his name. I feel like it may lose some of its 'punch', but if really necessary, we could say something like ALT1 ... that Chauncey Archiquette was the idol of Jim Thorpe, regarded as one of the greatest athletes in history? BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll probably have to cite WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE here:
don't assume everyone worldwide is familiar with your subject
. And for what it's worth, I made a bit of an informal survey about this on Discord, and the three editors who responded said they didn't know who Thorpe is. Note that my thoughts about the hook are independent of the survey; in fact, I made the survey because I wanted to know if American editors might find the hook interesting and to check my own thoughts. As for the nomination itself, the safest option here is probably to try a completely different angle. While ALT1 is arguably a better option, as you said, it loses some of the punch with the additional context. Thorpe is no Lionel Messi or Michael Jordan to warrant the angle, methinks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)- I'm rather stunned at the idea that Thorpe isn't well known enough. I don't really see any other good options with the article as well. Would changing the hook so that it does not mention Thorpe, but still has that aspect, work? – I.e. something like ALT2 ... that the "greatest athlete in the world" was inspired by Chauncey Archiquette? (I'd need to add the quote to the article, but Thorpe has widely been called that.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think that's a better hook, but I'm not sure if it will pass scrutiny. DYK usually wants quotes in quote hooks to be attributed whenever possible, but adding an attribution to the hook would probably weaken the article's punch. It might be a good idea to seek opinions from other editors who are experts on wordsmithing like RoySmith, Theleekycauldron, or Launchballer. In any case, I'd suggest dropping any hook that directly mentions Jim Thorpe per WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE and either having only ALT2 for consideration for now, or trying a different angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I also have never heard of Jim Thorpe, although that may be because I know little about sports in general. I quite like ALT3: ... that tacklers "bounced off" Chauncey Archiquette "as if he were a brick wall"?.--Launchballer 15:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- That works. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I also have never heard of Jim Thorpe, although that may be because I know little about sports in general. I quite like ALT3: ... that tacklers "bounced off" Chauncey Archiquette "as if he were a brick wall"?.--Launchballer 15:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think that's a better hook, but I'm not sure if it will pass scrutiny. DYK usually wants quotes in quote hooks to be attributed whenever possible, but adding an attribution to the hook would probably weaken the article's punch. It might be a good idea to seek opinions from other editors who are experts on wordsmithing like RoySmith, Theleekycauldron, or Launchballer. In any case, I'd suggest dropping any hook that directly mentions Jim Thorpe per WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE and either having only ALT2 for consideration for now, or trying a different angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm rather stunned at the idea that Thorpe isn't well known enough. I don't really see any other good options with the article as well. Would changing the hook so that it does not mention Thorpe, but still has that aspect, work? – I.e. something like ALT2 ... that the "greatest athlete in the world" was inspired by Chauncey Archiquette? (I'd need to add the quote to the article, but Thorpe has widely been called that.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll probably have to cite WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE here:
Ansorge Hotel
- ... that the Ansorge Hotel's (pictured) pressed tin siding likely saved the hotel from burning in 1911?
- Source: Kettle River Journal 7/15/1911 "The Ansorge Hotel across the street was badly scorched, but owing to the metal covering was saved."
- ALT1: ... that a red light in the corner bay window of the Ansorge Hotel (pictured) told rumrunners of revenue men in town? Source: "Ansorge hotel". Ferry County Historical Society. "When the "revenuers" were staying at the Ansorge the propriators placed a red light in a second floor corner window to notify the bootleggers that barrel retrieval in town was not safe."
- ALT2: ... that the Ansorge Hotel (pictured) may have hosted Henry Ford on the night of July 31, 1911? Source: Ghost towns of the Pacific Northwest pg65 "The Ansorge claimed Henry Ford as one of its guests in 1917"
Exploring Washingtons Past pg32 "The Ansorges greatest glory came in 1917 when Henry Ford chekced in while visiting relatives who lived in the area."
NRHP catalogue page 5 of nomination form "The guest register for july 31, 1917 bears the signature of a "Henry Ford, Detroit Mich." and local residents agree that this was the Ford of the Ford Motor Company" - Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Randrianasolo's sportive lemur
Kevmin § 16:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC).
Deutscher Kurzwellensender Atlantik
- ... that during the Second World War the British government transmitted German and American music to Nazi U-boats?
- Source: "In March 1943, the Political Warfare Executive at Woburn Abbey began broadcasting from two radio stations, Deutscher Kurzwellensender Atlantik and Soldatenseder Calais. These purported to be authentic German transmitters, but in fact had been developed to undermine German morale, and in particular to target U-boat crews ... The objective was to subvert the discipline of enemy submariners by providing continuous first-class music, news, and feature programs every night between 1830 and 0800. Interspersed with German dance bands and singers recorded in the United States, Atlantik spread rumors, issued depressing news bulletins, and generally sought to destroy the seamen's faith in their leadership by contradicting what they had heard from Germany on official channels." from: West, Nigel (2010). Historical Dictionary of Naval Intelligence. Rowman & Littlefield. pp. 90–91. ISBN 978-0-8108-6760-4.
- ALT1: ... that one regular act on a Second World War German-language British propaganda radio station was a band captured while performing for the Afrika Korps? Source: "Atlantiksender's German in-house band, led by Henry Zeisel, had been captured by the British Eighth Army when they were touring to entertain Rommel's Afrika Korps." from Rankin, Nicholas (10 November 2009). A Genius for Deception: How Cunning Helped the British Win Two World Wars. Oxford University Press. pp. 308–310. ISBN 978-0-19-975671-1.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Devil's Doorway (Wisconsin)
Dumelow (talk) 13:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC).
Current nominations
[edit]Articles created/expanded on September 20
[edit]Alfredo Arreguín
- ... that Alfredo Arreguín has been called the "dean of Latino art in the Pacific Northwest"?
- Source: Marmor, Jon (September 2001). "For Alfredo Arreguin, art blooms from adversity". University of Washington Magazine.
- ALT1: ... that Alfredo Arreguín has represented both the United States and Mexico in the international art world? Source: Brown, Quinn Russell (2023-05-07). "Alfredo Arreguín, Painter of Myth and Memory, Dies at 88". Hyperallergic. Retrieved 2023-05-09.
- Reviewed:
ProfessorBeaver (talk) 18:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
Kesaria Abramidze
- ... that Kesaria Abramidze (pictured) was one of the first transgender public figures in Georgia?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Very popular Georgian trans model who has been murdered the day after the country's parliament passed an anti-LGTBI propaganda law, shocking the country. Article was created 3 days ago and is short, but have 2,027.
_-_Alsor (talk) 14:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC).
Gitmo playlist
- ... that Guantanamo Bay prison probably didn't have an official playlist?
- ALT1: ... that creator of the theme song for Barney laughed when he found out it was used during American interrogations? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/19/usa.guantanamo
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I personally prefer ALT1, but it's a minor preference.
Based5290 :3 (talk) 04:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC).
Battle of Kembogo
- ... that rebel fighters pursued their fleeing enemies during the Battle of Kembogo because they wanted new boots?
- Source: Kainerugaba, Muhoozi (2010). Battles of the Ugandan Resistance: A Tradition of Maneuver. Kampala: Fountain Publishers, p. 133, quote: "'Our men were all intent on physically laying hands on the enemy' continued Kavuma. Somebody had put out the word that Special Brigade had recently been supplied with new boots; it became the personal mission of every soldier in Mobile Brigade to get a pair".
Applodion (talk) 18:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC).
Growing Form
- ... that sculptor Moelwyn Merchant described his 1982 piece Growing Form (pictured) as resembling "a tulip bud with the front leaf pulled out"?
- Source: "Sculptor: Moelwyn Merchant ... the artist described it as "like a tulip bud with the front leaf pulled out"" from: Noszlopy, George Thomas; Waterhouse, Fiona (1 January 2005). Public Sculpture of Staffordshire and the Black Country. Liverpool University Press. p. 44. ISBN 978-0-85323-989-5.
Dumelow (talk) 13:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC).
Khun Tan (mystic)
- ... that the Pa'O religious figure Khun Tan seducing hundreds of young girls by portraying himself as the next Buddha? Source: https://burma.irrawaddy.com/women-in-media/2017/11/08/145696.html
- ALT1: ... that in hopes of gaining good luck, young girls in the Alantaya area were offering their first virginity to Khun Tan, who claimed to be the future Buddha? Source: https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/police-hunt-man-claimed-next-buddha-abuse-young-women.html
- Reviewed:
Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC).
- Neither hook meets WP:DYKBLP. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I understand. How about the news hooks below:
ALT1-a: ... that, in hopes of gaining good luck, six girls from the Alantaya area were married to Khun Tan, a layman who claimed to be the future Buddha?
ALT1-b: ... that Khun Tan, a young guy, is worshipped as a bodhisattva in the Alantaya religious area?
ALT1-c: ... that girls in the Alantaya religious area believe that marrying the layman Khun Tan would bring blessings? Hteiktinhein (talk) 18:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Genocide in the Hebrew Bible
- ... that the biblical command to "spare no one" has been applied to Native Americans, Rwandan Tutsi, and Palestinians?
(t · c) buidhe 05:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC).
- I don't see the hook in the article. It is OR to interpret labelling one's enemy "Amalek" as applying biblical command to "spare no one". I haven't checked the sources, but the article does not support the hook. Srnec (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the original hook I was thinking of is ALT1 below but I wasn't sure if it would be accepted either.
- ALT1: ... that genocide in the Hebrew Bible has been cited as an inspiration by the Crusaders, Rwandan Hutu, and Israeli leaders? (t · c) buidhe 02:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll take a stab at this. I trust Buidhe to be the subject expert and do good research, but I concur that the section on "Justification for violence" here is a bit underdeveloped for the hooks proposed. I can't find the text of the article clearly confirming ALT0. As for ALT1, I'd ask "justification for what"? Carrying genocide? But that is not clear from the short quote about Pope Urban in the 11th century and then... Martin Luther? Did Luther called or tried to justify some genocide? I'd ask for that section to be expanded, clearly stating who said what, and in particular, who might have tried to justify genocide. The second paragraph in that section is more clear, and perhaps an ALT2 about "Genocide in the Hebrew Bible being used by Israeli leaders to justify their actions in the Israel-Hamas war" might be fine, and would probably draw more views too. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 21
[edit]Bini (group)
- ... that the Filipino girl group Bini surpassed Taylor Swift after two years as the most-streamed artist on Spotify Philippines?
- Source: Inquirer.net "American singer-songwriter Taylor Swift has had the Philippines enthralled for two full years, almost three, with the Grammy-award-winning artist staying at the No. 1 spot on Spotify's Daily Top Artists Philippines Chart. On June 16, a P-pop girl group came from behind and snatched the throne from her."
- ALT1: ... that the music video for Bini song "Cherry on Top" reached over 2 million views within 24 hours and hit number one on YouTube Philippines for music and iTunes chart? Source: ABS-CBN News
- ALT2: ... that Bini upcoming concert "Grand BINIverse" sold out within two hours, breaking records, and will be held over three days? Source: Daily Tribune
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chocolate in savory cooking
Royiswariii (talk) 06:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC).
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that the Filipino girl group Bini dethroned Taylor Swift after two years as the most-streamed artist on Spotify Philippines?
I'm not familiar with the DYK nomination process, but a suggestion and comment, wouldn't it be better to replace "dethroned" with "surpassed" for a more neutral tone? AstrooKai (Talk • Contributions) 07:36, September 22, 2024 (UTC)
- Hi! I fixed the "dethroned" to "surpassed". Royiswariii (talk) 13:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- No five-fold expansion ever took place prior to the nomination (diff) nor is the nominator a major contributor to the article, making this a drive-by nomination by a relatively newcomer at Did You Know. @Royiswariii: please familiarize yourself with the guidelines before nominating an article for DYK. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 09:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Hixtape: Vol. 3: Difftape
- ... that the last recording by Toby Keith before his death was a cover of Joe Diffie's "Ships That Don't Come In" on the tribute album Hixtape: Vol. 3: Difftape?
Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:35, 21 September 2024 (UTC).
Jeya Wilson
- ... that Jeya Wilson invited New Zealand prime minister David Lange to debate the moral indefensibility of nuclear weapons at the Oxford Union?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sunny Choi
- Comment: DrThneed wrote the bio but she's a tad busy, hence she's asked me whether I would like to see this through the DYK process. I'm only too happy to oblige as Jeya Wilson is such a fascinating person. If you have time, I suggest you watch her opening speech at the Oxford Union debate, which is linked from the source above. And if you want to be in for a treat, wach David Lange's speech (second-to-last speaker) – an absolute stunner of a performance. Almost every New Zealander knows one of the lines that he delivered in that speech.
Schwede66 09:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on September 22
[edit]Francis W. Kelly
- ... that Marine chaplain Francis W. Kelly (pictured) was known as "Father Foxhole" for his insistence on being on the front lines of the Pacific Theater?
- Source: Fitzpatrick, Frank (Apr 15, 2018). "Saga of Philly's 'Father Foxhole'". The Philadelphia Inquirer. Retrieved 21 September 2024.
- ALT1: ... that Chaplain Francis W. Kelly (pictured), who participated in the World War II battles of Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Okinawa and Iwo Jima, was known as "Father Foxhole" for his insistence on being on the front lines? Source: Fitzpatrick, Frank (Apr 15, 2018). "Saga of Philly's 'Father Foxhole'". The Philadelphia Inquirer. Retrieved 21 September 2024.
- Reviewed:
~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 05:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Darth Stabro, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 23 September and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout; I don't have access to all of the sources but they look to be reliable and I didn't find any issues with overly close paraphrasing on a spotcheck of ones I could access; for the image do you have any evidence it was taken by a serving US military person, other than the setting of it? Its immediate source is a US newspaper. Hook is interesting but the nickname is only mentioned in the lead and that it was awarded for "his insistence on being on the front lines" isn't mentioned.
- @Dumelow: I'll get confirmation from the PA Veterans Museum that it is a USMC image but all evidence suggests it being an official portrait. I've placed and sourced more into on the nickname.~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 15:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, give me a ping when you hear back and I'll pop back to complete the review. As you say the photo is almost certainly taken for official purposes but good to have confirmation - Dumelow (talk) 15:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Barquq Castle
- ... that the front façade, gateway, mosque and minaret of Barquq Castle in the Gaza Strip were still standing until 2024?
- Source: Abu Khalaf 1983, p. 182: "Nowadays the Khan is almost demolished, but the front part, which consists of the fac;ade including the gateway and the Mosque with its minaret still stands."
Onceinawhile (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2024 (UTC).
- @Onceinawhile: Please note that per a recent rule change, a QPQ must be provided at the time of the nomination or at most immediately after. The nomination may be failed without further warning if a QPQ is not provided as soon as possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. I have done the QPQ now. Onceinawhile (talk) 06:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Granville Colliery
- ... that part of the site of Granville Colliery in Derbyshire, England, is now used as a dry ski slope (pictured)?
- Source: "The area has been much landscaped in the construction of the South Derbyshire Ski Centre" from: "Monument record MDR7950 - Granville Colliery (No. 1) Swadlincote". Derbyshire Historic Environment Record. Derbyshire County Council. Retrieved 22 September 2024.
- ALT1: ... that a mine worker was "shattered to fragments" by a 1911 explosion at Granville Colliery but his horse survived being thrown high into the air? Source: "The national press reported that his body was "shattered to fragments" by the blast ... There are those, however, who witnessed Bodycote's horse and cart hurled high into the air, the horse being practically uninjured." from: Kreft, Helen; Lodge, Matthew (30 October 2021). "The tragic story that led to the name of a Derbyshire road". Derbyshire Live. Retrieved 16 September 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Superfest
Dumelow (talk) 19:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC).
Lac qui Parle County seat controversy
- ... that on the night of November 12, 1886, 150 people broke into the Lac qui Parle County Courthouse and started physically moving it to Madison, Minnesota, 15 miles away?
- ALT1: ... that a county seat war in Lac qui Parle County, Minnesota inspired Johannes B. Wist's serial fiction in the Decorah-Posten?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is my first nomination, so I apologize if things are formatted incorrectly.
Cedar Tree 19:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: This seems good to me, except unfortunately for the newness criteria. Maybe you can improve it to a GA and nominate as DYK then? and it was moved to mainspace two days before nom. Theodor Langhorne Franklin (talk) 17:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I like ALT0 but I think we could improve it a little. I recommend stating that they physically moved "the building" instead of "it" because it was the shocker that pulled me in and even though it's grammatically correct I didn't fully believe it. I also recommend removing the details of the month and day because they don't really help would, maybe removing the year would add to the intrigue, and removing the city of Madison because very few will know it. Maybe then there's space to add in that it was stuck in a snowstorm in the way? Theodor Langhorne Franklin (talk) 12:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Just placing this template to prevent this from being closed as a fail. Theodor Langhorne Franklin this article was moved from draftspace on 22 September and so is eligible- Dumelow (talk) 20:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Whoops, I missed that. Thanks for keeping this alive. Theodor Langhorne Franklin (talk) 12:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Have I Got News for You (American game show)
- ... that the 2024 American remake of the BBC panel show Have I Got News for You has something the original dispensed with in 2002? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/may/17/have-i-got-news-for-you-to-launch-in-the-us-in-autumn, plus https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2024/09/15/have-i-got-news-for-you-american/ for the fact that it aired
- ALT1: ... that the 2024 American remake of the BBC panel show Have I Got News for You took 20 years and four networks to make it to broadcast? Source: as above
- ALT2: ... that a reviewer criticised the panellists on the first episode of the 2024 American remake of the BBC quiz show Have I Got News for You for getting the answers right too often? Source: https://www.pastemagazine.com/comedy/have-i-got-news-for-you/have-i-got-news-for-you-doesnt-have-a-mean-bone-in-its-body
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Liberalism in the Philippines
Launchballer 14:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Hi Launchballer, many thanks for expanding this great article. Are you OK to share credit with User:Gr8gibsoni, given that their original creation is within the 7 days so also qualifies? On the hook, I am fine with either of the top two hooks. On the first, the Guardian source seems to have been written before the show aired – are you sure they formally decided to dispense with rotating presenters? And on the second, I couldn’t see the 20 years mentioned in the Guardian article, and I don’t have access to the Telegraph article – would it be possible to bring a quote? Onceinawhile (talk) 06:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- The Guardian refers to the British version dispensing with guest hosts in 2002 and that piece was written in 2024. Regarding the Telegraph, if you're quick, you can just use Ctrl+A --> Ctrl+C to copy the article elsewhere before reading it or you can use archive.ph to archive it. However, upon rereading it, I don't see where it spells out that it was in fact broadcast (he could conceivably have been given a preview copy) so I've added one that does. I have no objection to sharing credit.--Launchballer 10:06, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- OK thank you Launchballer. Let’s go with ALT0 re guest host / permanent host. Please could you add a sentence into the article to make this crystal clear – to my read, someone clicking through to find out what the hook was referring to will struggle to piece it together at the moment. Ideally the new sentence would be supported by a source which states explictly that the show will have a permanent host (this is implied in every source I have read, but not quite spelled out in most cases). Onceinawhile (talk) 11:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Latenighter.com, which I've just added, writes that "Have I Got News For You, CNN’s highly-anticipated new comedy program, has found its host in The Daily Show veteran Roy Wood Jr.", emphasis mine. (It's a shame that UKGameshows.com probably isn't reliable.)--Launchballer 12:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- OK thank you Launchballer. Let’s go with ALT0 re guest host / permanent host. Please could you add a sentence into the article to make this crystal clear – to my read, someone clicking through to find out what the hook was referring to will struggle to piece it together at the moment. Ideally the new sentence would be supported by a source which states explictly that the show will have a permanent host (this is implied in every source I have read, but not quite spelled out in most cases). Onceinawhile (talk) 11:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 23
[edit]History of education in Wales before 1701
- ... that Oliver Cromwell tried to educate the people of Wales?
Source: Jones, Gareth Elwyn; Roderick, Gordon Wynne (2003). History of Education in Wales. University of Wales Press. ISBN 978-0708318089. (pp. 17-20)
Llewee (talk) 13:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC).
Battle Hymns (Manowar album)
- ... that "Dark Avenger", a song from Manowar's album Battle Hymns, is narrated by actor Orson Welles?
- Source: "Manowar founder recalls heavy metal recordings with Orson Welles". Wellesnet. August 11, 2017. Retrieved September 19, 2024.
Cambalachero (talk) 19:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC).
Ngiam Tong Dow
- ... that Singapore's first and largest purchase of gold from South Africa was completed in 1968 by comparing two halves of a United States one-dollar bill?
- Source: "In 1968, we went to the World Bank meeting. The South Africans were there and we invited the South African Finance Minister to our hotel room."
"Dr Goh wanted to buy gold at a fixed price, rather than a floating market price. So we agreed to buy 100 tons, a substantial amount, at $40 US dollars." "Then he took out his US one dollar note. And sliced it into halves! Just like that. He gave half to me and said, "You keep this. I will keep the other half and my man will meet you in Switzerland."" "I handed the sliced US dollar note over. He took out the other half. It matched! The serial numbers were the same."
Ngiam, Tong Dow. A Mandarin and the Making of Public Policy: Reflections by Ngiam Tong Dow. ISBN: 978-9971-69-350-3- Reviewed:
BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 09:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC).
The Bear season 2
- ... that the second season of The Bear has won the most Emmys for any comedy series in a single year?
- Reviewed:
Mjks28 (talk) 02:32, 25 September 2024 (UTC).
Sonya Friedman
- ... that self-help psychologist Sonya Friedman published a book on women who were monogamous with two men at the same time?
- Source: "What binds them is their having a two-track existence that allows them to preserve their marriage while having a more fulfilling relationship. They are monogamous to two men." - In “Secret Loves” (Crown), therapist Sonya Friedman…, Chicago Tribune
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/History of chocolate
- Comment: The article was moved to mainspace with this edit.
SilverserenC 23:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
- ALT1 that according to self-help psychologist Sonya Friedman, men are just desserts? Thriley (talk) 01:35, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 that according to self-help psychologist Sonya Friedman, a hero is more than just a sandwich? Thriley (talk) 02:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 that self-help psychologist Sonya Friedman, encouraged women to "give up junk food love and find a naturally sweet man"? Thriley (talk) 02:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 24
[edit]Ye Gongchuo
- ... that Ye Gongchuo (pictured) worked for emperors, warlords, and republicans, before leaving politics to focus on art?
- Source: Mostly supported by Powell, J. B., ed. (1925). Who's Who in China. Shanghai: Millard's Review.; leaving politics is supported by Andrews, Julia F.; Shen, Kuiyi (2012). The Art of Modern China. Berkeley, California: University of California Press. ISBN 978-0-520-23814-5.
- ALT1: ... that Ye Gongchuo (pictured) dealt duck head pills in Shanghai? Source: Yan Jiasen (严家森) Ma Xiao (马潇) (5 August 2003). "[祖孙篇 叶衍兰 叶恭绰] 进则为达官,退亦是名士" [[Grandparents and Grandchildren: Ye Yanlan and Ye Gongchuo] If You Advance, You Will Be a High Official; If You Retreat, You Will Be a Famous Scholar]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 12 August 2022. Retrieved 23 September 2024. (他曾极力推动成立上海博物馆,后来还把重金购得的稀世珍品——晋朝王献之的《鸭头丸帖》真迹,慨然捐献给了上海博物馆。; "He had strongly promoted the establishment of the Shanghai Museum, and later donated the rare treasure he had purchased at a high price, the original copy of the "Duck Head Pills" by Wang Xianzhi of the Jin Dynasty, to the Shanghai Museum.")
- ALT2: ... that, when China needed to standardize its railway terminology, it sent for a poet? Source: Powell, J. B., ed. (1925). Who's Who in China. Shanghai: Millard's Review.; Yan Jiasen (严家森) Ma Xiao (马潇) (5 August 2003). "[祖孙篇 叶衍兰 叶恭绰] 进则为达官,退亦是名士" [[Grandparents and Grandchildren: Ye Yanlan and Ye Gongchuo] If You Advance, You Will Be a High Official; If You Retreat, You Will Be a Famous Scholar]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 12 August 2022. Retrieved 23 September 2024. (via Guangdong Library)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1961 Pittsburg State Gorillas football team
- Comment: Yes, I know ALT1 is a bit out there. It might be worth an April Fools slot.
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
Noken system
- ... that the noken system used for voting in parts of Indonesia produces turnouts of 100%? Source: It is then not surprising if in several districts the turnout rates reached 100 percent on the fnal tally results (page 80)
- ALT1: ... that the Constitutional Court of Indonesia approved of the noken system of voting, despite it having no legal basis? Source: the Noken system, which is not provided for by any state laws or regulations,..what is significant from this case is not the court's approval of a fresh round of elections, but rather its acceptance of local (Papua) customs and practices in local elections (ie the Noken system)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Veto (card game)
- Comment: Other hook ideas welcome!
CMD (talk) 20:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
Fisheries in the Philippines, Aquaculture in the Philippines, Municipal fisheries in the Philippines, Commercial fisheries in the Philippines, History of fisheries in the Philippines
- ... that over the history of fisheries in the Philippines, the once dominant local municipal fisheries became supplanted first by commercial fisheries, and then by aquaculture? Source: Trends in the fisheries sector covering five decades, i.e., from the 1950s to the present, show the growth and decay of municipal fisheries. During the early 1950s, municipal fisheries comprised the bulk of fisheries production, which was 150 percent greater than the commercial sector...Then, the contribution of the municipal sector to total fishery production dropped drastically to a little over 30 percent of the total catch. By 1996, approximately 33 percent was contributed by the municipal sector, According to the volume of fisheries production data in the Philippines (1980–2010), capture fisheries have made up a high percentage (82%) of the total fisheries production for three decades, and the percentage of marine capture fisheries is 89% and that of inland fisheries is 11% among capture fisheries. The percentage of capture fisheries is decreasing recently, while that of aquaculture is growing, Aquaculture experienced a 4.58% growth rate and remained to be the top contributor to the country’s total volume of production, accounting for 54.15% share. Municipal fisheries contributed 25.96%, while commercial fisheries constituted up 19.89% share, both experiencing slight declines in terms of production volume
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Emi Shinohara
- Comment: Emi Shinohara is two reviews. Also reviewed were Pabhāvatī, Grupo Mexicano de Desarrollo, S.A. v. Alliance Bond Fund, Inc., and Verna Mersereau. This nomination combines five articles into one hook for administrative ease and to not repeat the same topic on DYK, although I can suggest individual hooks if desired. There's a fun fact about the death of Hirohito. Due to the interrelated nature of the articles there is duplicated text between them, however there should be a DYKs-worth of unique text in all. As always, open to other hook suggestions.
CMD (talk) 19:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
Battle of Axspoele
- ... that the 1128 Battle of Axspoele (participant pictured) was a rare case of a mass cavalry charge in western Europe in the High Middle Ages?
- Source: "in the west battle was uncommon and mass cavalry charges were rate ... only at Axspoele on 21 June 1128 was there anything resembling a mass cavalry charge and here numbers were small" from: France, John (15 May 2017). Medieval Warfare 1000–1300. Routledge. p. 60. ISBN 978-1-351-91847-3.
- ALT1: ... that before his victory at the 1128 Battle of Axspoele William Clito (pictured) ordered his knights to cut their hair and remove opulent clothing as a sign of penance? Source: "before battle he had all his knights cur off their long hair, cast off their rich garments and do penance for their sins as if they were expecting death" from: Crouch, David (15 October 2006). The Normans: The History of a Dynasty. A&C Black. p. 332. ISBN 978-1-85285-595-6.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Francis W. Kelly
- Comment: After creating this I realised the subject was already covered in a very short orphan article at Battle of Thielt (1128) which I have since redirected to this article. The new content is more than 5x the content here in any case.
Dumelow (talk) 18:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
Expandable card game
- ... that compared to collectible card games, expandable card games focus more on storytelling and cooperation? Source: https://www.playthepast.org/?p=6913 and its subsequent parts linked in the article as refs
- ALT1: ... that expandable card games are sometimes known as "living card games", but the latter term, while popular, is trademarked by a single company, preventing its use by competitors? Source: http://www.pairofdiceparadise.com/expandable-card-games-ecg-trademarks-patents-3-of-3-a167.php
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Genocide in the Hebrew Bible
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on September 25
[edit]Adele de Dombasle
- ... that French divorcee Adele de Dombasle travelled to Polynesia in 1847 working as an illustrator, drawing people such as Queen Pōmare IV (pictured)? Source: "Adèle de Dombasle managed to produce several tens of drawings during her travels in Polynesia (and Chile). These represent monuments and sites from the Marquesas, Tahitian and Marquesan inhabitants with elements of material culture, landscapes and portraits—including from historical figures such as Queen Pomaré." & "In 1848, a young French divorcée11 who had sailed across two oceans, from Bordeaux to the Marquesas Islands" in https://archaeologybulletin.org/articles/10.5334/bha-656
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Spearfishing at the Micronesian Games
- Comment: I expanded it from a very tiny stub!
Lajmmoore (talk) 18:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC).
- An interesting article, I will review shortly. TSventon (talk) 19:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Lajmmoore:, The article is well written (and no longer an orphan). It is clearly 5x expanded, new enough and long enough. No POV problems and no obvious copyvio via Earwig. Images are from 1847 so no copyright problems.
- QPQ has been completed.
- The hook is intriguing, but could you double check that the hook facts are in the article with references following immediately. I couldn't find "divorcee", "travelled to Polynesia in 1847" is OK, "working as an illustrator" and "drawing people such as Queen Pōmare IV" are not immediately followed by references.
- The hook image is interesting and free to use.TSventon (talk) 22:22, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Michael Chisholm (geographer)
- ... that geographer Michael Chisholm and contemporaries became known as “Caesar’s Praetorian Guard” as an irreverent reference to their tutor, Gus Caesar?
- "Caesar had a hand in the careers of literally scores of young men (and through his supervision of Newnham and Girton geographers, young women) who were to go on to lead the subject in many British and Commonwealth universities. Dubbed irreverently "Caesar's Praetorian Guard", they came together in 1970 to write a festschrift volume"
- ALT1: ... that Cambridge don Gus Caesar was so influential, that a group of his former students became known as "Caesar's Praetorian Guard"?
- "Caesar had a hand in the careers of literally scores of young men (and through his supervision of Newnham and Girton geographers, young women) who were to go on to lead the subject in many British and Commonwealth universities. Dubbed irreverently "Caesar's Praetorian Guard", they came together in 1970 to write a festschrift volume"
Chaiten1 (talk) 07:04, 26 September 2024 (UTC).
Kazimierz Sakowicz
- ... that Polish journalist and resistance member Kazimierz Sakowicz spent three years recording the deaths of tens of thousands in his diary, which was eventually published decades later? Source: Margolis (2005), or Wilczewski (2009), or Guesnet (2003)
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC).
- Article is interesting and the hook is captivating and not too baity. I removed the picture of Sakowicz, because it clearly isn't him and the picture isn't from 1939.Marcelus (talk) 11:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 26
[edit]Ye Yanlan
- ... that Ye Yanlan compiled 171 portraits of Qing dynasty scholars, but these were not published until decades after his death?
- Source: Yan Jiasen (严家森) Ma Xiao (马潇) (5 August 2003). "[祖孙篇 叶衍兰 叶恭绰] 进则为达官,退亦是名士" [[Grandparents and Grandchildren: Ye Yanlan and Ye Gongchuo] If You Advance, You Will Be a High Official; If You Retreat, You Will Be a Famous Scholar]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 12 August 2022. Retrieved 23 September 2024 – via Guangdong Library. [同时,由于他擅长丹青,留意搜集历代名贤的画像,其中清代学者的尤为丰富,积三十年之功,得到169人171幅图像,给后世留下了宝贵的《清代学者象传》。 At the same time, because he was good at painting, he paid attention to collecting portraits of famous people from past dynasties, especially scholars from the Qing Dynasty. After 30 years of hard work, he collected 171 images of 169 people, leaving behind the precious "Portraits of Scholars in the Qing Dynasty" for future generations.]
- ALT1: ... that, according to his family, Ye Yanlan was compelled to leave government service after speaking Cantonese in front of the Emperor of China? Source: Yeh, Max (2006a). "The Yeh Family Collection". The Elegant Gathering: The Yeh Family Collection. Asian Art Museum. pp. 1–14. ISBN 978-0-939117-33-8. "Family stories say that he was exiled out of the court back to Panyu because he spoke Cantonese in the presence of the emperor, one of those southern, nationalistic claims to resisting the “foreign,” Manchurian dynasty."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Atsuko Tanaka (voice actress)
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC).
University Village (Manhattan)
- ... that University Village was designed with three 30-story towers because the architects believed that smaller buildings would be even more out of place? Source: Fowler, Glenn (February 20, 1966). "Controversial 30-Story Towers Nearing Completion in 'Village'; 30-Story Towers for the 'Village'". The New York Times.
- ALT1: ... that the construction of building foundations at University Village was likened to a military campaign? Source: Postal, Matthew A. (November 18, 2008). University Village (PDF) (Report). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. p. 9.
- ALT2: ... that University Village has been described both as a "much-loathed superblock" and one of Manhattan's "most refined examples of modern design"? Source: Anderson, Lincoln (March 16, 2004). "Superblock, and supermarket, proposed as historic landmarks". amNewYork., Dunlap, David W. (December 17, 2005). "James Ingo Freed, 75, Dies; Designed Holocaust Museum". The New York Times.
- ALT3: ... that a Picasso sculpture at University Village was called "half as high and twice as sexy as the Great Sphinx of Egypt"? Source: "Monuments: Sylvette at N.Y.U." TIME.com. November 24, 1967.
- ALT4: ... that University Village has Picasso's second outdoor sculpture in the Western Hemisphere? Source: Margold, Jane (November 16, 1967). "60-Ton Picasso Sculpture Due for City". Newsday. p. 3A.
- ALT5: ... that a Picasso sculpture was installed at University Village after it was rejected by the developer of another building designed by the same architect? Source: Postal, Matthew A. (November 18, 2008). University Village (PDF) (Report). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. p. 11.
- Reviewed: Yellow River Delta National Nature Reserve (2nd of 2 QPQs)
- Comment: The article previously appeared on the Main Page in 2009. DYK renominations are now allowed after five years per WP:DYKNEW.
Epicgenius (talk) 22:29, 26 September 2024 (UTC).
Neutron stars in fiction
- ... that in fiction, neutron stars (pictured) harbour exotic lifeforms in their vicinity, on their surface, and even in their interior?
TompaDompa (talk) 21:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC).
2024 Summer Paralympics opening ceremony
- ... that the 2024 Summer Paralympics opening ceremony featured dancing phryges (pictured)? Source: https://press.paris2024.org/download-pdf/66cf9efe91b6a6caca09a708
- ALT1: ... that at the 2024 Summer Paralympics opening ceremony the flame was lit under a helium balloon (pictured)? Source: https://press.paris2024.org/download-pdf/66cf9efe91b6a6caca09a708
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Barry Melbourne Hussey
- Comment: Images are there if you want them
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on September 27
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