Talk:Islam in France

Battle of Tours

There is some historical evidence suggesting this battle is very heavily romanticized especially due to the fact that Muslim settlements existed in the Narbonne and even established a corsair outpost called Franxinetum. 2001:1970:5163:1200:0:0:0:4A9C (talk) 16:32, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

indeed the language used in the introductory half of the page is clearly academically compromised and reflects a one-sided lay understanding of inter-community conflict and hate (e.g. referring to Spanish/Ummayid armies as simply 'Muslims'.

Revisions desperately needed! 2A02:1210:5402:8000:3F1D:5351:E93:8C83 (talk) 19:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Clearly separate the discussion of self-declared muslims from the discussion of people by ethnic origin

The article uses statistics on the beliefs and practices of self-declared muslims, but in another part of the article uses ethnic origin to impute (in the statistical sense) religious status. This gives a false impression that, e.g. 70% of moroccan-origin or algerian-origin French citizens practice Ramadan. 132.211.167.138 (talk) 18:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Inconsistent information about what percentage of French's population is Muslim

I was looking at this page for context on some recent political news coming out of France and noticed that the very first sentence contains inconsistent information:

Islam is a minority religion in France that is followed by around 3 million to 5.7 million people in France, which is around 4% of the nation's population.

First of all, the article on France lists a population of 68,373,433, so 3 million to 5.7 million corresponds to 4.4% to 8.3%; 4% is on the very low end of this range. Also, the three citations do not support this 4% number; the first citation says 3% of respondents answered "Islam" in response to "What religion do you feel bound to?"; the second citation says

According to Odoxa (which includes a margin of error of 2.5%), 3% of French people defined themselves as Muslims, 1% as Jews, and 3% as belonging to "another religion."

These figures are to be taken with a lot of caution as it is difficult to constitute a representative panel group to measure faith, which may appear underestimated at first glance. In the case of Islam, for example, some other competing estimates have shown between 5% and 7%, or even more. "This can be explained by the fact that we ask respondents which religion really defines them, not the one they feel closest to," argued Ms. Bracq.

The third and fourth citations actually go to the same link which says "Islam confirms its place as the second religion in France (10%)" (there's a document attached which I haven't read).

Note that the Islam in Europe page cites some out-of-date numbers (7.5% as of 2011 and 8.8% as of 2016), and shows France in the "10–20%" category in the graph.

I don't have a strong opinion as to what the "correct" number is, although I suspect based on the various pieces of data here that 4% is too low, but it seems like Wikipedia should pick one number and stick to it in both of these articles, and make it consistent with the specified population range. rdl381 (talk) 08:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)