Talk:Tanoli

Kashmir premiere League (KPL) Chairman 2022, Arshad Khan Tanoli. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanawal (talk • contribs) 09:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Abbottabad High Court Bar Association President, Haji Sabir Tanoli — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanawal (talk • contribs) 09:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Government

The rulers of Dir originally held the title of Khan but from June 1897 onwards were styled Nawab Khan Bahadur of the Tanoli tribe. The royal status of the rulers was abolished in 1972 at the same time as most other princes of Pakistan.

Tenure	Rulers of Dir
Unknown dates	Gholam Khan Baba
Unknown dates	Zafar Khan
Unknown dates	Qasem Khan
1863–1874	Ghazzan Khan
1875–1886	Rahmat Allah Khan
1886–1890	Mohammad Sharif Khan (1st time)
1890–1895	Mohammad `Omara Khan
1895 - December 1904	Mohammad Sharif Khan (2nd time)
December 1904 - February 1925	Awrangzeb Badshah Khan
February 1925 - 9 November 1960	Mohammad Shah Jahan Khan
9 November 1960 - 28 July 1969	Mohammad Shah Khosru Khan
28 July 1969	State of Dir dissolved

References

This history about tanoli tribe is Fabricated

Tanolis are Arab by origin and descendants of Hazart Abbas R.z Uncle of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH if any one has any doubt Kindly have a DNA check Tanolis are arabs not turks or barlas They are from Banu Hashim tribe and decedents of Hazart Abbas R.Z , uncle of Holy Prophet P.B.U.H . the only reason why they have traces of Turks in their Blood is Because Their forefather Zarab khan Abbasi who was the Commander of Hirat Afghanistan in Ghaznavi Reign , has the turk wife Kindly don't fabricate history plz do a proper research.

116.71.162.76 (talk) 12:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

There's no tree that links us to Arabs do you know your subtribe how does that relate to your claim ? If we are Arab why don't we speak Arabic at home are traditions are not even remotely close to the Arabs and Arabs themselves have no record of us either. Please read the correct history instead of relying on false information because we are Muslim that does not make us automatically related to the prophets in the end we are all the entire human kind is related to Hazrat Adam A.S. so it still doesn't make us any special either way. Regards. Khumiro101 (talk) 09:17, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

do not worry , i cahnged it Ahsaanali756 (talk) 20:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I restored the original comment, please do not edit other users' talk page messages. If you disagree you can post a reply. Jamedeus (talk) 21:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2023

TANØLI is a pashtun tribe tano khail 39.62.161.131 (talk) 07:48, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 18:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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whatever information is provided on this page is entirely wrong , the DNA results of HAZARA UNIVERSITY has clearified it. like every ghilzai clan of bettani tribe , tanoli tribe also have turk dna at some level but they also contain afghan genetics. in afghanistan you can find ahmed rubani shah wali ullah , ibrahim lodi books where you will find the name of zabardast khan tanoli who conquered safan ,iran with the son of khilji .... kinldy allow me to correct all these myths and mistakes .

thank you. Ahsaanali756 (talk) 20:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 21:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2024

Subject: Request for Revision of the Ancestral Origins of the Tanoli Tribe on Wikipedia

Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I am writing to request a review and revision of the information regarding the ancestral origins of the Tanoli tribe currently listed on Wikipedia. The current entry describes the Tanoli tribe as descending from the Barlas Turks, which lacks substantial evidence and does not align with other historical and ethnographic research on the subject. Based on a variety of credible historical sources, there is significant evidence that the Tanoli tribe descends from Pashtun origins rather than Barlas Turks which has no real evidence.

Amonkhan (talk) 15:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)The Tanoli tribe is primarily located in the Tanawal Valley of Hazara, Pakistan, with origins traced to the Ghilzai tribe of the Bettani Pashtun confederation and descent from Hazrat Yusuf (AS). They reside in districts like Mansehra, Haripur, Abbottabad, and others, with branches also in Kashmir and Afghanistan. Historically, they played significant roles in frontier wars and allied with Ahmad Shah Abdali. Their language varies by region, including Hindko, Pashto, and Urdu. Notably, Tanolis refute any kinship with the Abbasi tribe, emphasizing their distinct Pashtun heritage.

Background and Sources

Amonkhan (talk) 15:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)1. Historical Accounts: Various historical records and ethnographic studies indicate that the Tanoli tribe is of Pashtun descent. Several British colonial-era ethnographers and historians who studied the region, such as Major James Abbott and Sir Olaf Caroe, noted the tribe’s affiliation with Pashtun ancestry. These scholars have documented that the Tanolis exhibit cultural and linguistic traits similar to Pashtun tribes, including traditional Pashto customs and social structures. 2. Genealogical Records: Pashtun genealogies often trace the lineage of the Tanoli tribe to the Karlani or Ghilzai Pashtun groups, which historically settled in the regions of present-day Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Tanolis have long been associated with Pashtun tribal networks, further strengthening the argument for their Pashtun origins. 3. Cultural and Linguistic Evidence: The Tanoli tribe’s customs, traditions, and language use align closely with Pashtun practices. Cultural traits, such as Jirga (tribal council), Pashtunwali (the Pashtun code of conduct), and Pashto language influences, are prevalent among the Tanolis, indicating a shared heritage with other Pashtun tribes.

1. “The Pathans: 550 B.C.–A.D. 1957” by Sir Olaf Caroe – This book offers a comprehensive history of Pashtun tribes, including those like the Ghilzai and Bettani, which are relevant to the Tanoli’s claimed lineage. 2. “Narrative of a Journey from Heraut to Khiva” by Major James Abbott – Provides insights into the regional tribes of the Hazara area, where the Tanoli tribe resides. 3. Books Specific to the Tanoli Tribe: • Taarikh e Tanolian by Syed Murad Ali Shah • Al Afghan Tanoli by Haji Ghulam Nabi Khan • Tanoli Taarikh e Aaina by M. Ismail Khan Kokalvi • Tarikh e Tanawal by Fida Hussain Khan • Tarikh Tanol by Farid Khan • Marshals of Tanawal by HabibuRehman Khan • Mehfil e Tanolian by Sardar Khan

These books provide specific historical and genealogical details about the Tanoli tribe, supporting their Pashtun descent and connections to regions in Afghanistan.

For a more detailed account, you might also consider searching academic databases like JSTOR or Google Scholar for articles related to the tribal history and origins of the Tanoli, focusing on their connections to the Ghilzai Pashtuns and their role in regional history.

Request for Revision

I propose that the current entry on the Tanoli tribe be revised to reflect their Pashtun descent, based on the evidence provided. This revision should include properly cited references to reliable sources that discuss the historical and genealogical links of the Tanoli tribe to Pashtun ancestry. Suggested sources include:

• Caroe, Olaf. The Pathans: 550 B.C.–A.D. 1957. Macmillan, 1958. • Abbott, James. Narrative of a Journey from Heraut to Khiva, Moscow, and St. Petersburgh during the Late Russian Invasion of Khiva. W.H. Allen, 1843. • Spain, James W. The Pathan Borderland. Mouton & Co., 1963.

These sources provide a detailed ethnographic and historical analysis of the tribes in the region, supporting the claim of the Tanoli tribe’s Pashtun origins.

Neutral Point of View and Verifiability

I understand that Wikipedia’s core principles include maintaining a neutral point of view, ensuring verifiability, and relying on reliable sources. My request is based on well-documented historical research, and I aim to improve the accuracy of the information presented. The inclusion of these sources will enhance the credibility of the article and provide readers with a more comprehensive understanding of the Tanoli tribe’s history.

I kindly request that Wikipedia editors review this appeal and consider revising the Tanoli tribe’s ancestral origins to reflect their Pashtun descent in accordance with the guidelines for verifiable and reliable content.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I am happy to provide additional references or discuss this further if needed.

Sincerely, Amman Umar Tanoli Khan Amonkhan (talk) 15:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

@Amonkhan Not done, I can't decipher what you want through this wall of text, please trim it down and rewrite in a more concise way. Also beware that AI has a tendency to get things wrong or even entirely fabricate sources. Seawolf35 HGAV (talk) 20:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Certainly, Please revise the Tanoli tribe entry to accurately reflect that they are of Pashtun descent rather than Barlas Turk origin, as the current description suggests. This correction is based on credible historical sources and ethnographic studies, which indicate that the Tanolis are connected to the Ghilzai tribe of the Bettani Pashtun confederation with origins in Afghanistan.

Supporting Evidence:

1. Historical Accounts: Historians like Major James Abbott and Sir Olaf Caroe documented the Tanolis as having Pashtun ancestry, with cultural alignment to Pashtun customs and structures.

2. Genealogical Records: Pashtun genealogies frequently link the Tanolis to Karlani or Ghilzai Pashtun groups, which historically settled in areas of modern Pakistan and Afghanistan.

3. Cultural and Linguistic Evidence: Tanoli practices, such as the Jirga system (tribal council), and their adherence to Pashtunwali (Pashtun code of conduct), align with Pashtun traditions. Additionally, the Tanolis use languages like Hindko, Pashto, and Urdu, common in Pashtun communities.

Primary Sources:

1. “The Pathans: 550 B.C.–A.D. 1957” by Olaf Caroe – This book provides a comprehensive history of Pashtun tribes, noting the migrations of groups like the Ghilzai from Afghanistan into areas including Hazara, where the Tanolis settled.

2. “Narrative of a Journey from Heraut to Khiva” by Major James Abbott – Abbott’s account provides observations on the tribes of the Hazara region and refers broadly to Afghan origins for groups like the Tanolis.

3. “Taarikh e Tanolian” by Syed Murad Ali Shah – A Tanoli-specific genealogy, this book traces the tribe’s lineage back to Afghan Pashtun roots, linking them to early migrations from Afghanistan.

4. “Al Afghan Tanoli” by Haji Ghulam Nabi Khan – This text focuses on Tanoli genealogy, asserting their Afghan origins and ties to the Ghilzai or Bettani Pashtun confederation.

5. Additional References: Works like Tanoli Taarikh e Aaina by M. Ismail Khan Kokalvi and Tarikh e Tanawal by Fida Hussain Khan also explore the tribe’s connections to Pashtun tribal networks and Afghan descent.

My suggested changes are supported by reliable, scholarly sources that can provide readers with a more accurate understanding of the Tanoli tribe’s heritage. 195.188.38.112 (talk) 02:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

^ wasn’t logged in @Seawolf35 HGAV Amonkhan (talk) 02:22, 11 November 2024 (UTC)