User talk:334a

Name meaning

What does your user name mean?? Georgia guy 22:21, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

absolutely nothing. when i set up my account i didnt care what my name was. --3345345335534

"Abjad" alphabets

In the articles for the Semitic letters aleph etc., you have characterized them as "abjad" alphabets. But abjad is a typological classification, not a genetic one, even though "All known abjads belong to the Semitic family of scripts". So I think it would be better to characterize the alphabets as "Semitic". --Macrakis 30 June 2005 14:11 (UTC)

Pshena

shlamelokh..ana shemmi youhanna warda o ati? dakhit nasha? :)Sargon 17:14, 2 September 2005 (UTC)Assyria 90[reply]

nasha tell me where i have ever hurted my people..im doing us stronger if you dont realise that..Sargon 18:55, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

eee what ever you say khon..but syriac is the language of our church and not the language we speak (sureth)..sureth is a dialect of aramaic which can be called assyrian..and yes we are the ancient assyrians and if your assyrian and dont belive it then i guess your not assyrian..and about the kurdish numbers ive changed..the kurds are estimated to 20-40 million and i wrote that they were comprimising more than 20 million they are the world ........Get it khon?

CIS: Assyrians

There is a significant population of Assyrians in Georgia, Armenia and Azerbajan. http://www.unpo.org/member.php?arg=08 <---- read the link

History of Armenia

Demographics of Armenia

ܓܒܪܐ ܐܠܗܐ

Making things Clear/Sipia

I am not stating they are native to the CIS per se just to the region. The Assyrian Empire encompassed a very large geographical area from Sumer to Anatolia. All of Lake Van and Lake Urmia as well as Ararat. Not to brag but I did most of the work on Chaldeans, Assyrian cuisine, and added tons to the Assyrian Category. I know where my name is in the bible too. hehe

Isaiah 20:1

Write in Assyrian

Here is a link that will tell you step by step on how to set your computer up to write in Assyrian... To download the fonts go to http://www.bethmardutho.org/meltho/

to set up your computer go to http://www.bethmardutho.org/support/meltho/docs/windowsxp/

Shlama

Shlama, I am very impressed that you know arabic. I was wondering if you would be interested in translating some arabic articles about Assyrian Villages into english? From this website [[1]] I have written on many different villages, you can look at the list here: [[2]] I wrote all the ones the villages of Dohuk and Nineveh. So do you think you can translate some of them? I have already asked the webmaster of the site, and he has given me the ok. Chaldean 21:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ok, but if you know anybody that is willing to translate them, please get them to translate them! Chaldean 04:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To my Assyrian brothers and sisters

===>A small gift that may interest you It's a userbox and regional category. Please feel free to change the wording to include Chaldeans, Syriacs, etc. You may want to add yourself. And before you ask, no, I am not ethnically Assyrian, and I use "brothers and sisters" in a more spiritual sense. If you are wondering why I do not have the Independent Assyrian template on my user page, it is simply because an Assyrian homeland isn't a viable option, and I don't want more of you killed in Iraq, frankly. Plus, if Kurdistan is ever established, an independent Assyrian is essentially impossible. God bless Assyria. -Justin (koavf), talk 03:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yo!

Thanks for helping fix up the Assyrian page. The Flag isn't working though.

Paris Coordinates

Hello,

Can you tell me about your placing the city coordinates to the top right of the article - is there some sort of city-article usage general or practice that I've missed? I haven't been able to find any other articles that do the same. The coordinates where they are are not that easy to spot where they are and have no place in context for the rest of the article. Just wondering - thanks. THEPROMENADER 07:52, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your message. I do very much like the idea as it is a 'touch more' than something just informative numbers... but could it be placed in a better spot perhaps? I don't see why it can't be integrated into the infobox... but I guess that will have to wait until there's a spot for it there. Thanks for the heads-up.

PS: You didn't like my putting the TOC to the right in the same article? I find that gap between it and the infobox quite ugly - I wish there was a better solution though. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 16:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quotation marks

I've reverted this edit of yours on Axis of Evil. Your edit summary is correct as to what is standard usage in American English. Wikipedia, however, doesn't follow that particular convention. We use "logical" quotation mark style (quotation marks go inside the period if the period isn't part of what's being quoted). See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Quotation marks. JamesMLane t c 13:31, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You wrote, "Ah, thank you James. However, this leaves me slightly confused as this is news to me. I was under the impression American English was used for American-related topics and British for British. Does that only apply for spelling or is this a new rule?" I think the generalization you suggest is correct: Punctuation follows a universal rule, but spelling is American or British depending on the article. I haven't thought of it in those terms before, which is why I'm not completely sure, but it seems right. The MoS passage that I cited has been reworded along the way, but the substance of the guideline -- to follow American style by using double quotation marks, but to follow British style by placing them within the period or comma if logic dictates -- has been in the MoS for at least a couple of years. (This version was in effect when I arrived in January 2004.) JamesMLane t c 18:54, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Username :-)

Hi 3345345335534! I noticed your good work on some disambiguation pages I was watching and was curious about your user name. I was thinking you might like to change your username to something easier to remember, that way everyone will have a better chance of interacting with you. Perhaps 334? or something completely different? Wikipedia:Changing username is the page to request a name change. Give me a shout if you need anything --Commander Keane 05:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arbil

I give up. Do what you think is right. Chaldean 02:08, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gratitude

Thankyou so much for your excellent quality translation on this article!

I am very grateful.

May God bless you!

--Jose77 21:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Languages

Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it Here. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Thanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 19:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can you write my name in other variants of syriac/aramaic. Abdullah Geelah 14:45, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

47 in Aramaic

Hi, I am collecting translations for the number 47 (forty-seven). So far I have 509 translations, which you can see here. Can you help and tell me how to say and write 47 in Aramaic? And also, which "version" of Aramaic is the one you speak? I'd be most thankful; please reply on my talk page. Thank you! — N-true 14:18, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for your kind help. Strange thing is, I already got a transcription in Assyrian Neo-Aramaic, but it goes ܐܲܪܒܥܝܼܢ ܘܫܲܒܼܥܵܐ (ârib'în w-šâw'a). I'm guessing, my old version is wrong then. Or might it be Old Aramaic? I also have a version in an apparently extinct Assyrian and it reads ܐܪܦܝ ܫܘܐ (arpī šāwā)... all these different kinds of Aramaic and all the various names for it are making me confused. :S — N-true 15:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Assyrian language

Shlama, yes, the reason I wrote Assyrian is because I didn't wanted to have two different ones for new Assyrian and new Chaldean, so that is why I just directed to the disma page. Don't you think thats right? Chaldean 15:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And also, Nohadra is not Syriac, so how come did you rv it? The word is older then the syriac language. Chaldean 15:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Khon lekethen katwin sureth, bas Arrapha ella Arrap-Ha. Chaldean 02:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Khon keep up the good work! I am seeing all the Aramaic pages your doing. Very proud of you. By the way, why haven't they changed the logo yet? Chaldean 02:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I started this page; List of traditional Assyrian place names] - just like how they have List of traditional Greek place names. See if you can contribute anyway. Chaldean 03:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Khon, Tehran and Baghdad are not originally Assyrian. Do you get what I mean? The list is a collection of Assyrian/Aramaic origin names. Like Constantinople is Greek origin. Chaldean 17:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You know I think we should change it. The reason I started that page was meant to collect all places names that have Assyrian/Aramaic origin, all in one place. Chaldean 18:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shlama Khon, I created the [Syriac version] of this [[3]], so that we can start adding syriac names to pages. Whenever you get a chance, please try to get some of them done. Thanks.Chaldean 23:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

Did you make Jimbo Wales name in Aramaic? If you did, do you mind if you can do it on my page, User:Leor Natanov/In many languages, please???
Thanks a bunch!!! Leor Natanov 01:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Simele Massacre

Khon, can you write Premta De Simele in Sureth? Alaha minoukh. Chaldean 03:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Munir Bashir in Sureth if you can please :) Chaldean 05:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem Khon, whatever you think is right. Chaldean 05:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, would you care to join? Chaldean 05:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aramaic Wiktionary

I figure I'd leave you a message here rather than on your Aramaic Wikipedia userpage. You may be interested in something that I've recently proposed on Meta. :-) אמר Steve Caruso _(desk/AMA) • Give Back Our Membership! 05:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yunan

I have reredirected that redirect to point to Yunnan, China which is the principal English language usage of the name. I have added a note about Yunan possibly meaning Ionia at the top of that page. I also took the time to update Younan to point to Ionia as well. Caerwine Caer’s whines 00:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Końskowola - Poland

Could you please write a stub http://arc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ko%C5%84skowola - just a few sentences based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ko%C5%84skowola ? Only 3-5 sentences enough. Please.

P.S. If You do that, please put interwiki link into english version. 123owca321 14:57, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aramaic wikipedia

Hi there akhun. I've seen the Aramaic wikipedia and it seems to need some help in it. I was wondering if you were only writing in classical Syriac or even modern Syriac? And I have seen some word faults in the articles where you use "Gou" for "in", while it should only be placed a "b" in the beginning of the word as, "b'beyta" and not "gou beyta". Tawdi sagi / Basima raba

Yohanun —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.216.185.79 (talk) 07:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have a cousin of mine who have studied the classical Syriac language for more then 8 years and I will contact him to see if he can help with the articles, words and grammar in the Aramaic wikipedia. Push b'shlomo--81.216.185.79 14:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paulos Faraj Rahho

Shlama. Could you please write his name in Aramaic. Pshena. Chaldean (talk) 02:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Persian Mesopotamia

I was wondering if you could give your independent opinion here, after reading the article and the case . Thanks for your time. Chaldean (talk) 21:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

question

Hi...So is the Aramaic Wikipedia in Syriac? I'm curious because I might join in, once upon a day. --VKokielov (talk) 03:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aha...but surely we can't expect the Aramaic-speaking readers of today to know Jewish Aramaic? I meant to ask about the language, not the script. --VKokielov (talk) 19:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind -- I never pay attention anymore, and have to make corrections left and right. Well -- it would be better were there Wikipedias for the vernaculars (though I wouldn't be able to write in any of them :) ), but I guess that it isn't possible yet. --VKokielov (talk) 19:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If I can reacquire Hebrew. which I lost after we left Israel, I will invest myself into making the Aramaic status quo known to the Jews there. First, because it's pedagogically sound to study a language not only akin to your own but which also gave you the alphabet of yours and ten centuries of religious wisdom; second, because it seems to me the Jews and the Assyrian Christians should understand each other -- their situations were very similar. --VKokielov (talk) 22:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Translation

Shlama Khoni. I have a Swedish user who is working closely with the Swedish Wikipedia and is tryin to promote Wikipedia in the Assyrian community in Sweden. So he is trying to create these flyers and wants the following translated into Aramaic. [[4]] When you get a chance, it would greatly be appreciated. BTW, if you happen not know a word, ask me - I'm very informative with Aramaic words and speaking, but I'm just not able to read and write it currently. Chaldean (talk) 03:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That Swedish user would be me. If you have any other text that I could give to Assyrians in Sweden, to promote Wikipedia, your ideas are most welcome. This PDF is the brochure we use in English and also in Swedish. --LA2 (talk) 22:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CHU

See Wikipedia:Changing_username/SUL#334_.E2.86.92_334a — Rlevse • Talk • 02:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re Carthage

Hello. In the etymology of Carthage: קרת חדשת is not Phoenician. Or is it? ktr (talk) 06:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not really sure. Carthaginian (Punic language) most likely. Old Phoenician used a different (more primitive) abjad than subsequent languages deriving from it. Anyhow let's leave it as it is for the time being until we get more concrete info on it. ktr (talk) 16:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shlama Akhon

Below this I have left an identical message to Assyria 90.

I have just created a new article entitled Assyrian Pentecostal Church. I am trying to expand the history section of the article and I could use your assistance. I have come across three pages in Assyrian and I want to ask you if you can take the time to translate them into English for me so I can incorporate them into my article. I can see you are very talented in translating articles from Assyrian Aramaic to English so I came to you for some help. I would greatly appreciate it if you can translate these all into proper English. I am having some trouble finding the words in English to describe the words used in this document. If you have any time

I have taken the time to scan and upload these images to this website for easy access. Click on the images to get a zoomed in version for a better look, the font gets bigger and easier to read. The first file is the cover page of the book. The second and third images talk about the church’s history from its inception to present day. I dont need a translation of the first page because I already know it but I do need the rest. I am looking for other users who can contribute to the translation as well, so if you're not able to, it's ok. Again Thank you in advance.

APC 1 http://item.slide.com/r/1/112/i/f7Qa4Gm_5D8zh6Ty1TAbQZAUbTLofgrx/

APC 2 http://item.slide.com/r/1/16/i/7qu_CTS11z-_CWVbmFvEMsymMVlyAf8w/

APC 3 http://item.slide.com/r/1/31/i/ZJp1Gdh73T8yTkVo7ThKZua-6QLTVa3h/

Ninevite (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much brother, I appreciate you taking the time to translate this for me, I am very grateful for it. I will see if I can translate the remainder from Assyria 90 Allaha Barelookh. Ninevite (talk) 03:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shlama

Can you please put the assyrian translation of the name of the church in the Assyrian Pentecostal Church Article like the first sentence of this article [5] where it says the name of the church in assyrian and transliterates it in english (The Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East[1] (Syriac: ܥܕܬܐ ܩܕܝܫܬܐ ܘܫܠܝܚܝܬܐ ܩܬܘܠܝܩܝ ܕܡܕܢܚܐ ܕܐܬܘܪ̈ܝܐ, ‘Ittā Qaddishtā wa-Shlikhāitā Qattoliqi d-Madnĕkhā d-Ātārāyē). The full name of the church is here [6] under the picture of the cross and under the title of book of holy songs. There it states the full name of the church. I would apprecciate it if you can write the it in assyrian and transliterate it in english and put it in the first sentece of the Assyrian Pentecostal Church as done with the first sentence of the Assyrian Church of the East. baseema raba Ninevite (talk) 03:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the translation, Do you mind adding Aturaye since the picture mentions it as Ittā d-Akhonāwāthā Pēnṭēqosṭāyē Aturaye de Iran without adding iran since it has branches throughout the world. BaseemaNinevite (talk) 02:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shlama

I have a question for you, I am experiencing a problem in viewing words in Assyrian. Before I was able to to see the actual letters in our langauge but now all I see is boxes instead of the alphabetical letters such as Assyrian Church of the East. All over wikipedia and aramaic wikipedia I now see just boxes instead of the actual assyrian letters. I am not sure why this is happening. What can I do to fix this so I am able to see the words in assyrian as I used to. thanks Ninevite (talk) 02:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ilpet medem d-lisana suraya :)

since we last talked.

Now I'm even trying my hand at Arabic (ah! gasp!), and...it's beginning to seem to me that anyone who knows Syriac together with Arabic should read Hebrew ab initio. Is that right, or do you need a dictionary? :) --VKokielov (talk) 22:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shlama

Hello friend, I have Wiki user who has some questions on adding Syriac Text and hyperlinks to his new article at Dioceses. He has asked me a question here towards the bottom of the paragraph regarding this. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Best Regards. Ninevite (talk) 17:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Typing Syriac on Wikipedia

Hi there! Thanks for the advice on inputting Syriac in Wikipedia articles. I've tried it out and it seems to work: thus, Beth Garmaï (Syriac: ܒܝܬܓܪܡܝ). As you say, it takes a bit of time to do it letter by letter, but that won't matter for an article like Dioceses of the Church of the East, where I'm only adding Syriac glosses after place names. I can do it slowly over a number of weeks. Djwilms (talk) 01:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ܫܠܵܐܡܵܐ

ܠܸܢ ܦܲܪܡܘܼܝܹܐ ܡܘܼܕܝ݂ܬ ܡܵܥܪܵܐ ܠܕܘܼܟܬܝ݂ , ܡܵܣܸܬ ܛܲܡܪܸܬܠܝ݂? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Assyrio (talk • contribs) 02:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ܕܵܚܝ݂ ܐܵܬܝ݂ܬ ܡܵܪܵܐ ܒܵܣܸܬ ܩܵܠܵܐ ܘ ܩܸܢ ܫܲܚܠܸܦܸܬܠܹܐ

ܐܵܬܝ݂ ܡܵܪܸܬ ܠܲܡܣܸܢ ܕܲܩܪܸܢ ܟܬܘܿܬܵܐ ܒܵܣܸܬ ܩܵܠܵܐ?

ܘ ܕܵܚܝ݂ܠܹܐ ܣܘܼܪܸܬ ܕܝ݂ܝܝ݂؟ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Assyrio (talk • contribs) 05:52, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

| ܒܵܣܸܬ means about, and ܩܸܢ means about what you did, I can speak good English, but I like to talk/write in Syriac, maybe I misspelled the words in Syriac. If so, my oops.

angel

hi what is the right IPA pronunciation for the neo-aramaic version of english "angel"? is it "malak", "malax" or any other pronunciation? thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.238.239.191 (talk) 15:19, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Assyrian language

Hiya, I see you've converted Assyrian language into a disambig. Per WP:FIXDABLINKS, could you help fix the links that now point to the disambig? (Especially since this is a tricky one that could use expert help.) Thanks, --JaGa^talk 11:33, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar!

Shlama lokh 334, You just got a barnstar! I really admire your work and impartiality, wish all Assyrians were a bit like you :/. You're doing an amazing work at arcwiki and wiktionary. Khayyet.--Rafy talk 20:43, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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Names in wikipedia

Hi there, I'm looking for certain names in Wikipedia, because there are lots of people already in the encyclopedia whose names were originally written in aramaic. I think it depicts history in a wrong way as long as we have only the "western transcription" of the names of famous people. As I'm not fit to transkribe from the transcription back to aramaic, I would ask your help. Could you write the names or give me a homepage where I can find them?: Mahbub ibn Qustantin; Manbidsch; Gabriel ibn Bukhtishu; Yuhanna ibn Bukhtishu; Isho bar Noun; Schimun Bar Sabba'ei; Alopen Would be great. Looking forward to talk to you. Shi Annan 13:49, 27. Mai 2013 (CEST) —Preceding undated comment added 11:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Meer, Beytüşşebap

Can you change the title of Meer, Beytüşşebap(Assyrian page). Instead of ܡܝܪ we should use ܡܥܪ. https://arc.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DC%A1%DC%9D%DC%AA_%28%DC%97%DC%9F%DC%AA%DC%9D%29 Thank you. --Gabygabi (talk) 10:58, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Assyrian Neo-Aramaic

Thanks for your helpful and really constructive editing on Assyrian Neo-Aramaic, namely in the grammar section. I'm glad there are people interested in the Assyrian grammar on Wikipedia, as most other languages have a very in-depth grammar section, and Assyrian didn't up until a year or two ago when I expanded it and added content. We need to improve and expand the grammar category with more and more content (so feel free to do so).

I do have a question about the modern Assyrian language (not sure if you're a linguist or at least perhaps you have some knowledge in grammar?); Does Assyrian have any grammatical cases, if any? I know, and I've heard that, Assyrian pretty much lacks them overall. But does it show some sense of grammatical cases in some areas or aspects (after all, Aramaic and Akkadian especially had grammatical cases)? I'm really dying to know. I've looked and looked for sources on that, and they don't tell me either (that modern Assyrian has Cases or that it lacks them). Hell, to my surprise, a few sources have told me Assyrian is ergative (Khan 2008), but still nothing on grammatical cases, oddly. Funny, really. --Meganesia (talk) 11:10, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bassima rabba. :)

I have some linguistic training (in addition to speaking Sureth): Hebrew and all dialects of Aramaic (and, if I'm not mistaken, all other Northwest Semitic languages) lost their case endings, though they are present in Akkadian (East Semitic) and Classical Arabic (Southwest Semitic). Languages that lack Indo-European-style cases usually express the same relationships in other ways, like through adpositions or adverbs. :) --334a (talk) 05:05, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Le daqra. :)

So, in Assyrian, when somebody says anenwa ("it was me") or Samiwa ("it was Sam") - These are not Cases (as I though Cases involve nouns or pronouns which are inflected, no)? --Meganesia (talk) 06:12, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say that those are a great example of cases, no. An example of case distinction in personal pronouns would be:

Case	English	Sureth (my dialect)
nominative	I	ana
oblique	me	li
genitive	mine	didhi

An example of case distinction in common nouns would be:

Case	English	Sureth (my dialect)
nominative	friend	xora
oblique	friend	xora (indefinite); leh xora or l-xora (definite)
genitive	friend's	/d-xora/, [-it xora]

Like I said, though, these are a little different from the case system in Akkadian and Arabic and very different from the case system in typical Indo-European; e.g. Latin cases:

Case	Latin	Sureth (my dialect)
nominative (subject)	amicus	xora
genitive (possessive, "of")	amici	/d-xora/, [-it xora]
dative (indirect object, "to/for")	amico	Tla xora
accusative (direct object)	amicum	xora (indefinite); leh xora or l-xora (definite)
ablative (motion away, "from", etc.)	amico	min xora
vocative (direct address)	amice	o xora or ya xora!

Compared to Old English and Latin, Modern English barely has any cases (and most grammars wouldn't teach it as having cases). Although you can do it, technically, it doesn't really make sense to describe Sureth as having cases either because, again, we usually use a mixture of adpositions and adverbs in place of Latin-type case endings. --334a (talk) 04:41, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see, thank you. I mean, I do sort of get the gist of grammatical case, but it's not always 100% clear or understandable to me (as I seem to confuse them with inflections as well). Another question is about the ergativity (another linguistic typology that I sort of get, but not completely understand). An example from that source is that "qim-leh" (he got up/it got up) and "qti-leh" (it got cut/he cut it) are ergative. Okay, since Assyrian is a flexible language, wouldn't these have a nominative-accusative form as well (in Assyrian I mean)? And what makes "qim-leh" ergative in essence? --Meganesia (talk) 06:18, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nouns are "declined" for case, and "declensions" are a type of inflection. (Verbs are "conjugated", and "conjugations" are also a type of inflection).
To answer your question of "what makes 'qim-leh' ergative in essence", it would be the use of leh rather than aw. I can understand why some linguists might describe Sureth as having partial ergativity in the past tense, but I don't know if I would completely agree with that (which might explain why it confuses you).

So an ergative-absolutive construction encodes subjects of intransitive verbs not like subjects of transitive verbs but like objects of transitive verbs. For example:

English (nominative-accusative)	*English (if it were ergative-absolutive)	Sureth
He saw me.	He saw me.	aw qam xaze-li.
I saw him.	I saw him.	ana qam xazin-[l]eh.
I saw.	Me saw.	xze-li.

Note the "I" and "me" and how they match up.

Now, strictly speaking, if we wanted to add a subject pronoun to xze-li, it would not be "ana" because, in strict Sureth, ana xze-li would be ungrammatical since it would literally mean "I was seen-by me". The pronoun we are looking for here would be aw, as in aw xze-li, or "he was seen-by me" (i.e. "I saw him"). In modern Sureth, this passive construction is slowly losing its meaning in many dialects so that it is in fact completely correct to say ana xze-li, with xze-li just becoming a regular conjugated form ("I saw," not "seen-by me"), no different from xazin ("I see"). Some more examples of this in my dialect:

Sureth	Gloss	Literal English	Idiomatic English
xabbusha xil-li.	apple.MASC eaten.MASC-by me	"An apple was eaten by me."	"I ate an apple."
tenta xila-li.	fig.FEM eaten.FEM-by me	"A fig was eaten by me."	"I ate a fig."
peke xili-li.	fruits.PLURAL eaten.PLURAL-by me	"Fruits were eaten by me."	"I ate fruits."

Note the different masculine, feminine, and plural inflections of "eaten". This is falling out of favour nowadays to where many just have this:

Sureth	English
ana xil-li xabbusha.	"I ate an apple."
ana xil-li tenta.	"I ate a fig."
ana xil-li peke.	"I ate fruits."

Note the use of the subject pronoun ana (despite being a historically passive construction) and also the inflected forms of "eaten" having lost inflection for gender/number.

I hope I was able to answer some of your questions. If it's still not clear, don't fret--this stuff isn't common sense or intuitive, you'll get it eventually with more time and practice. Let me know if there's anything else I can help you with. :) --334a (talk) 19:55, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Akkadian "eshaggu" or "ishku"

Hi, I was told that the Arabic word "asheq" (which is borrowed into Turkish and Iranian 'ashek', meaning infatuation) has roots to Akkadian "eshaggu" or "ishku" (as you put it, but I think eshaggu may have been used?). Testicles may have been used a symbol for passion, love and desire. So the word evolved into "love" or "infatuation" as centuries went by and ultimately borrowed into Arabic to mean that way. What are your thoughts? Are there any sources to this? This was just word of mouth or a speculation. But I find it interesting. If anything, I think in the Assyrian Neo-Aramaic article, this should be noted as a speculation or something that could be possible in the notes section of ishku/testicles. Want to know your take either way. Thanks. -- 115.64.133.112 (talk) 01:35, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shlama lukh/lekh!

There needs to be a reliable source for this as Wikipedia has strict policies against speculation and original research. The article for the Arabic word on Wiktionary (to which you linked) has a few different sources but none of them mention an Akkadian or Aramaic origin; instead, it links to an Arabic root. This doesn't necessarily mean that the current etymology is correct (sources can be wrong or incomplete). Personally, I think the Assyrian origin of the Arabic word is a folk etymology since a) the sound shift of a plain glottal stop to `ayin and a plain "k" to an Arabic qaaf is a little much, and b) coupled with the semantic shift, it's a big stretch. Again, though, it doesn't matter what I think because Wikipedia doesn't allow original research. If you can find even one reliable source that confirms your theory, then by all means: add and reference it. :) --334a (talk) 04:38, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shlama. I see your point. Though about Wikipedia and its sources, remember it isn't very consistent in this regard. Many articles have a plethora of statements that are in dire need of sources (unsourced content aren't removed a lot of times, but usually are kept in good faith as the person who wrote them may have some knowledge). If anything, I actually meant that we can add something like this: "^{[citation needed]}" - A note that states a citation is in need for the Asheq relation (as you did the same thing there). I don't know, but I think there is a reasonable link between the word even if it is blurry and vague, and despite the shift from K to Q. A few Assyrian/Akkadian so-called "linguists" have brought it up on Facebook.

About the "stretched semantic shifts", doesn't Arabic use 'g' for 'goom' ("rise"/"get up"), whereas Assyrian uses 'q' ("qoo")? Perhaps g, q and k are 'interchangeable' and would shift depending on the dialect and language? 'K' even changes to 'ch' in various Assyrian/Arabic dialects too. Just to point that out. -- 115.64.133.112 (talk) 08:36, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware that there is a lot of unsourced and suspicious material on Wikipedia (one thing that is consistent, though, is that "good" and "featured" articles have to have sources or they will never reach that status). I am also aware of the similarities between velar and uvular plosives and of affricatization. I just do not believe that the glottal stop shifted to `ayin AND the "k" shifted to qaaf AND the meaning changed into something vaguely related to the original meaning (again, it is entirely possible that I'm wrong). I find loanwords from Aramaic into Arabic are relatively recent and haven't had enough time to develop and change (see examples here and here and here). Please do not add information from people on Facebook, which is a cesspool of people who don't know what they're talking about. Stick to scholars and actual linguists. :) --334a (talk) 06:06, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Shlama

Shlama elokh!

Thanks for your edit on the Tyari page!

I would like to ask you if you have seen the Assyrian tribes page? It has been quite decimated...

Best regards Ashurpedia (talk) 12:29, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

bshayna, akhoni! la daqra. :)

min eniwit bimara? ayya patha? ay holah khliqta, lamṣin mshakhlpinnah. --334a (talk) 17:48, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pshena khoni!

hee ayen. garek tarsekhla... eet kha kma nashe lakha dona makhroye pathe d omtan... garek odekh khamendi...

Basima! Ashurpedia (talk) 01:59, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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How did you map Akkadian words to their Assyrian equivalents?

This was such a great edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suret_language&type=revision&diff=909953204&oldid=909807402. I was wondering what process you had followed to map Akkadian words to their Assyrian equivalents. Can you drop a note in this section of the talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Assyrian_continuity#Updating_the_number_of_Akkadian_words_used_by_Assyrians to explain your process so others may follow it if they want to hash out the table even more? 2600:1010:B00C:92EF:69C2:30C:FDA0:2D07 (talk) 02:11, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Syriac text

Hi,

Could you please help me find the Syriac name of the Mor Ephrem Syriac Orthodox Church that is in the background on this photo?

Best, a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 20:42, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Antoine:

Apologies for the late response. I've fixed it for you on the page; thank you for creating it! --334a (talk) 03:32, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot! a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 18:18, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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